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I'm not sure how this is legal. Maybe a lawyer can explain how they have been able to get away with this and if there is any legitimacy to it. I just moved to Chicago and I am unfamiliar with local politics and laws but it would seem to be unconstitutional. There seems to be a sort of cynical contempt for the rule of law in the local government and it is pretty jarring. I don't know how a crypto facist like Rahm Emmanuel pulled off a re-election. Why would they need to take them to a warehouse and not an actual police department? Why are the arrestees taken to the black site overwhelmingly black. quote:Chicago police detained thousands of black Americans at interrogation facility Some of these stories are patently horrifying, that someone could talk to a journalist and be retaliated against by the police. The contempt for the rule of law by those responsible for upholding it reduces the legitimacy of the police, they become merely another gang, men and women with guns. Is it any wonder that relations between the people and police are bad? The best way to fight crime, if that is your goal, is to start by not committing crimes. What seems to be the goal instead is to bully and abuse the black community, further vilifying them for all the crime in Chicago rather than the conditions of poverty that cause street crime to flourish. Mandy Thompson fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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The police aren't imposing this kind of behaviour on a unified and defiant population. For various reasons there is a significant chunk of the populace - probably not a majority, but still a large and influential enough bloc to matter - who think that anyone who interacts regularly with the police is undeserving of any rights. Basically the logic runs that if you're a decent person you shouldn't have regular interactions with the cops and that if you do then the police are justified in taking extraordinary measures to protect society. There's a pretty big intersection of police, political and media interests plus a long history of racism and hatred of the poor amongst the general population that enables this kind of policing.
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Helsing posted:The police aren't imposing this kind of behaviour on a unified and defiant population. For various reasons there is a significant chunk of the populace - probably not a majority, but still a large and influential enough bloc to matter - who think that anyone who interacts regularly with the police is undeserving of any rights. Basically the logic runs that if you're a decent person you shouldn't have regular interactions with the cops and that if you do then the police are justified in taking extraordinary measures to protect society. I don't know if Chicago does stop and frisk - on or off the books, but I think stop and frisk and the history of arbitrary searches are a significant cause not to believe that police interactions are a sign that "they must have done something wrong." But my guess is the people you are talking about are well off white people who never have to worry about police harassment.
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No offense but kinda old news.
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Equine Don posted:No offense but kinda old news. Well it was new to me. Doesn't mean it is unworthy of discussion
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Mandy Thompson posted:Well it was new to me. Doesn't mean it is unworthy of discussion Forums poster MIGF already said in a public mayoral address that he's looking into it, what more do you want.
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Mandy Thompson posted:I don't know if Chicago does stop and frisk - on or off the books, but I think stop and frisk and the history of arbitrary searches are a significant cause not to believe that police interactions are a sign that "they must have done something wrong." But my guess is the people you are talking about are well off white people who never have to worry about police harassment. Some of them are well off and many are white and live in wealthier areas, but not all of them. In many cases it's the working poor - folks who may own their own home and car, hold down a lovely job, and are often the ones who live down the block from that one house where those people are always coming and going at all hours or blasting their music. They see appeals for sympathy toward those people as typical of out-of-touch wealthy liberals and tend to divide society along cultural or tribal lines rather than economic or class ones. They may not be the "silent majority" but there are enough of them around to provide a base of support for a sort of right wing North American populism that seeks to unite the beleaguered "middle class" (usually but not exclusively white) in defense against the predations of both the out-of-touch meddling cultural elites and the sinister drug using underclass of moochers.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Forums poster MIGF already said in a public mayoral address that he's looking into it, what more do you want. When you look into Chicago PD, the black sites seem quite tame and above-board compared to some of the other stuff. Let's say you're a cop and this guy is pushing smack to kids in the 80's. Do you try to arrest him and watch and the system take months to get him off the street, or do you take him for a little ride over the lake? The Chicago PD have ceased doing that as a matter of policy; it was goddamn hard as hell to get them to stop. What more do you want?
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B-b-but gun control has made the city so much safer and police department so much better!
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Job Truniht posted:B-b-but gun control has made the city so much safer and police department so much better! It has; while there's been an uptick of murders throughout the nation, Chicago continues to experience historically low rates of crime in all neighborhoods but for those of concentrated poverty.
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My Imaginary GF posted:It has; while there's been an uptick of murders throughout the nation, Chicago continues to experience historically low rates of crime in all neighborhoods but for those of concentrated poverty. And it has one of the most fascist police departments in the entire country. I have this pet theory that, higher crime correlates to states with lax gun control laws, the worst police departments on the country are the places with the strictest gun control laws.
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My Imaginary GF posted:When you look into Chicago PD, the black sites seem quite tame and above-board compared to some of the other stuff. Maybe cops focusing on real crimes for once instead of drugs, loose cigarettes, jaywalking, "spring-assist knives," etc.
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I see people on the internet bring up how black Americans are annihilating each other in Chicago and Obama doesn't care. How overinflated is this death toll of innocent people, that the President has been cold-hearted about?
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MaxxBot posted:Maybe cops focusing on real crimes for once instead of drugs, loose cigarettes, jaywalking, "spring-assist knives," etc. But then they might have to arrest white people.
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MaxxBot posted:Maybe cops focusing on real crimes for once instead of drugs, loose cigarettes, jaywalking, "spring-assist knives," etc. I know this may be hard for you to understand; in Chicago, murder is a real crime, MaxxBot, even when it happens to black people.
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My Imaginary GF posted:I know this may be hard for you to understand; in Chicago, murder is a real crime, MaxxBot, even when it happens to black people. Yeah, because the article in the OP sure is talking about people guilty of murder I guess marijuana smoking and seatbeltless driving are gateway crimes to murder right?
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Any word on if the NYPD/Bloomberg are running a black site torture facility too?
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C.M. Kruger posted:Any word on if the NYPD/Bloomberg are running a black site torture facility too? Basically all of Rikers Island.
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Nonsense posted:I see people on the internet bring up how black Americans are annihilating each other in Chicago and Obama doesn't care. How overinflated is this death toll of innocent people, that the President has been cold-hearted about? Haven't seen this site before. It's a little tasteless, but there does seem to be a lot of data. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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All police are agents of the government, and the government is not a pleasant entity or one which has our interests at heart. There is no surprise here. This has always happened and it will always happen until we get rid of governments completely.
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Plastics posted:All police are agents of the government, and the government is not a pleasant entity or one which has our interests at heart. There is no surprise here. This has always happened and it will always happen until we get rid of governments completely. I'm pretty sure that getting rid of the government would be worse then even this.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_5_2015_16_10.htmlquote:Ten years ago, when we stopped a suspect in a black neighborhood, that person had two choices: Run or comply,” said a Chicago cop. “But now more and more suspects are refusing to comply with lawful orders to take their hands out of their pockets, or produce a driver’s license, or answer simple questions about what they are doing in that neighborhood with a bulging backpack at 1:30 a.m. And they know we can’t or won’t do anything about it. Defiance is now the rule. Oh no, we can no longer prosecute the crime of being in the wrong neighborhood with a BULGING BACKPACK . What kind of person walks around with a backpack full of things at the unholy hour of 1:30AM? Certainly not something white people would ever do, clearly this is evidence of a serious crime going down.
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C.M. Kruger posted:Any word on if the NYPD/Bloomberg are running a black site torture facility too? we just send everyone to rikers and let it sort em out
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I heard from a girl working with prosecutors for the summer that public defenders are fine with the site because they can use the site to meet defendants without alerting gangs in the county jail. I think that’s some self-serving bullshit but it's all just gossip anyway.Equine Don posted:No offense but kinda old news. It makes me paranoid there is either another site for Latino suspects or that local police also have deals with members of the Sinaloa cartel like the Feds do. My Imaginary GF posted:When you look into Chicago PD, the black sites seem quite tame and above-board compared to some of the other stuff.
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Plastics posted:All police are agents of the government, and the government is not a pleasant entity or one which has our interests at heart. There is no surprise here. This has always happened and it will always happen until we get rid of governments completely. I am mostly indifferent to whether or not there is a government, I am not sure what the alternative would be. Even if we were to eliminate poverty and inequality there are always going to be messed up people in the world who need to be checked, man made emergencies that need to be responded to by first responders who can take charge. I don't love police officers and I have been enraged but what I have seen but we do need someone to perform many of their functions.
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Atrocious Joe posted:
Good god, what the gently caress is wrong with this city? More and more this city seems very corrupt and I am wondering why people have gotten away with it so long.
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MaxxBot posted:http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_5_2015_16_10.html If the police didn't demonstrate contempt for the rule of law or cover for the misconduct of other police officers they would probably see more compliance. What they do instead completely sabotages any trust the community might have. I am a white woman and based on what I have seen even I am afraid of police because they don't follow the rules. Legitimacy is the difference between a cop and an rear end in a top hat with a gun.
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My Imaginary GF posted:It has; while there's been an uptick of murders throughout the nation, Chicago continues to experience historically low rates of crime in all neighborhoods but for those of concentrated poverty. What an incredibly lovely defence of your cities horrible crime problem. My city has a larger population than Chicago and about one fifth of the murders. And my city isn't exactly a bastion of fairness and equality, it's just that the culture and politics of America are turning your society into a real life version of Mad Max.
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Mandy Thompson posted:If the police didn't demonstrate contempt for the rule of law or cover for the misconduct of other police officers they would probably see more compliance. What they do instead completely sabotages any trust the community might have. I am a white woman and based on what I have seen even I am afraid of police because they don't follow the rules. Legitimacy is the difference between a cop and an rear end in a top hat with a gun. I'd invite you to the cop thread but it's been shut down because it broke too many people's brains.
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Honestly only some of black population of Chicago lives in something resembling Mad Max, and that only fits well if you classify the police as warboys. These maps are a bit old but they get the point across. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_violent_crime_map.png http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicag...ent?oid=3221712
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Mandy Thompson posted:If the police didn't demonstrate contempt for the rule of law or cover for the misconduct of other police officers they would probably see more compliance. What they do instead completely sabotages any trust the community might have. I am a white woman and based on what I have seen even I am afraid of police because they don't follow the rules. Legitimacy is the difference between a cop and an rear end in a top hat with a gun. Walking around in a strange neighborhood at 1:30AM with a stuffed backpack was called "college" for me and many other people. Maybe if they stopped trying to question people over mundane, everyday activities that would help with compliance also.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Chicago cops don’t dump people they don’t like into the lake anymore, they just drive them into rival gang territory and announce their presence to everyone . quote:The cops leave me there and they just take off in their car. Now it’s just me and about 12 GDs. One of the guys comes over to me. He says, ‘You know that’s hosed up what those assholes just did. We ain’t finna even do nothin. That’s just hosed up.’ The guy who I’ve seen before, his name is like Jerrell or something like that. We seen each other around the neighborhood like for years. He’s a good guy. He reaches into his pocket and gives me $20 dollars. ‘Hey man, take this and get a cab to get you back home. The loving gangsters have more self awareness than the police. I had to look up finna: Fixing to do something. Going to act., etc. Pohl fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Aug 8, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:It has; while there's been an uptick of murders throughout the nation, Chicago continues to experience historically low rates of crime in all neighborhoods but for those of concentrated poverty. Segregation really works!
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My Imaginary GF posted:When you look into Chicago PD, the black sites seem quite tame and above-board compared to some of the other stuff. Do you have a link about the Chicago police drowning suspects? I was having trouble finding it on google.
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Mandy Thompson posted:Do you have a link about the Chicago police drowning suspects? I was having trouble finding it on google. Why search for things that probably didn't happen when you have plenty of terrible things that are well documented? Like systematic torture. The leader of which is out of prison by the way.
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Pohl posted:
That's actually a pretty great story
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Atrocious Joe posted:Why search for things that probably didn't happen when you have plenty of terrible things that are well documented? Thanks!
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Pohl posted:The loving gangsters have more self awareness than the police. Gangs in America start because cops are The Kind Folk.
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If you don't view the cops as the enemy after evrything you see reported just think of everything not getting reported. Then i don't even loving know anymore.
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Greataval posted:If you don't view the cops as the enemy after evrything you see reported just think of everything not getting reported. Then i don't even loving know anymore. Well you could try obeying the laws...
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