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MrFlibble posted:Nerds are a) in school and not as social as 'normal' students or b) adults basing their identity on having been formerly a? His thesis as I've come to understand it is that nerds are people that seek escapism in entertainment to such an extreme degree that they construct entire virtual universes to escape into, or desire that end result. A nerd's idea of the singularity is the Holodeck in Star Trek - a little box you can (metaphorically) plug into and then never have to face the outside consequences again if you so choose.
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It probably didn't help Trank's career that he was smoking weed on set, didn't show up on set for days at a time, and rubbed dog feces on the walls of the apartment the studio was renting for him and his girlfriend when he was mad.
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Aug 12, 2015 23:30
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It probably didn't help Trank's career that he was smoking weed on set, didn't show up on set for days at a time, and rubbed dog feces on the walls of the apartment the studio was renting for him and his girlfriend when he was mad. He rubbed dog feces on his girlfriend? 
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Aug 13, 2015 00:13
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It probably didn't help Trank's career that he was smoking weed on set, didn't show up on set for days at a time, and rubbed dog feces on the walls of the apartment the studio was renting for him and his girlfriend when he was mad. Doctor Nick posted:There's a piece in the hollywood reporter that has some more details on this. The whole thing is worth a read, but I loved this part in particular: he sounds likes a massive hipster prick who wanted to be desperately like kubrik. when Fox came in to sort poo poo out/gently caress things up. he went phill fish and had a temper tantrum.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:22
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Nerdism is a specific ideology. I don't think Hollywood Reporter writers and line producers (?) can meaningfully be called nerds.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:23
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he sounds likes a massive hipster prick who wanted to be desperately like kubrik. when Fox came in to sort poo poo out/gently caress things up. he went phill fish and had a temper tantrum. I heard he even rubbed poop on his girlfriend! porfiria posted:I don't think Hollywood Reporter writers and line producers (?) can meaningfully be called nerds. I didn't write that they are nerds. I wrote that they are effortlessly manipulating nerds.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:44
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
Fair enough--although I'd say the intended audience is more insidery types eager to eat a big bowlful of schadenfreude.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:56
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I can't believe Trank's dog rubbed his girlfriend's poop on Kate Mara and made her cry, this guy, he's just so... ...hip
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I heard that Trank ate the poop but then pooped out less poop than he ate because that is how poop works and that got him mad. edit: I am sorry, I thought this was the GBS thread. Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 01:13
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Honestly if this whole thing results in less Kate and more Rooney I'd say it's not a total loss.
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Aug 13, 2015 01:13
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Basebf555 posted:Well of course there was always the option to stay on the project and not be a whiny bitch online. Plenty of directors have survived bombs. Trank is a very new director. This was only his second movie. Fantastic Four bombing was the end of his career no matter what. The directors that recover from bombs are those that are already well established and respected in the industry.
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I said come in! posted:Trank is a very new director. This was only his second movie. Fantastic Four bombing was the end of his career no matter what. The directors that recover from bombs are those that are already well established and respected in the industry. Like David Fincher before Alien 3?
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If he wasn't accidentally handed an unedited script for Seven, that very well *could* have been the end of Fincher's career.
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Boogaleeboo posted:If he wasn't accidentally handed an unedited script for Seven, that very well *could* have been the end of Fincher's career. The guy also remarked during the LA Riots that it's a shame they didn't start around 20th Century Fox's studios. He also declined appearing for the DVD release even though Fox was more than willing to say the film was poo poo because of them in the special features. Josh Trank isn't dead in the water career-wise; people in Hollywood have done a lot worse (RDJ was persona non grata for 15 years) but as long as they make a serious effort to change (and come to their bosses first) they can recover. Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Grendels Dad posted:I get the impression that Fox has come to terms with FF being a bomb so now they will ride the drama surrounding the production as hard as they can. I expect reports of Trank having Britney Spears-levels of meltdowns coming in. Not going to lie, a DVD with special features like a Trank cut of the movie, a Trank commentary and a separate cast/crew commentary, a post-mortem feature covering the collapse of the movie with a ticker at the bottom that reads off all the registered complaints against Trank, or something like that would at least have me considering buying a copy just to hear all the poo poo-talking.
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Father Wendigo posted:Not going to lie, a DVD with special features like a Trank cut of the movie, a Trank commentary and a separate cast/crew commentary, a post-mortem feature covering the collapse of the movie with a ticker at the bottom that reads off all the registered complaints against Trank, or something like that would at least have me considering buying a copy just to hear all the poo poo-talking. Fox presents: He4rts of D4rkness.
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computer parts posted:A nerd's idea of the singularity is the Holodeck in Star Trek - a little box you can (metaphorically) plug into and then never have to face the outside consequences again if you so choose. or a dead comedy forum you can live on and pretend you're a respected film critic
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Clipperton posted:or a dead comedy forum you can live on and pretend you're a respected film critic This forum moves fast enough that there are days I can't read all the new posts in the threads I follow. Reddit sounds like a nightmare.
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Slugworth posted:I keep seeing this place referred to as dead, is the situation really so dire or are we comparing it to like, reddit, which has like 4 billion users? The only reason SA is still around is because of Let's Play and that has like 300 users in there right now. GBS has 500+. It's definitely a small fraction of what it used to be. It's a combination of people moving on and all the funny posters being run off for different reasons.
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Aug 13, 2015 15:07
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Slugworth posted:I keep seeing this place referred to as dead, is the situation really so dire or are we comparing it to like, reddit, which has like 4 billion users? It's not growing as much as it used to is the crux, I guess. Traditional style message boards are not in vogue anymore but I still find it much more appealing than poo poo like Reddit. I have never once thought "boy I wish this place had more posts", SA is fine.
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Slugworth posted:I keep seeing this place referred to as dead, is the situation really so dire or are we comparing it to like, reddit, which has like 4 billion users? It's a recurring meme because goons are cynical and want some reason to blame for it.
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Hakkesshu posted:It's not growing as much as it used to is the crux, I guess. Traditional style message boards are not in vogue anymore but I still find it much more appealing than poo poo like Reddit. I have never once thought "boy I wish this place had more posts", SA is fine. I mostly post in TVIV and CineD, and a lot of the time it feels like there's only a handful of regular posters there, but I kind of enjoy that. I don't need to have a conversation about horror movies with a hundred other people, 9 or 10 is just fine. I also enjoy the fact that when I post something at 11pm, I can wake up the next morning and that same discussion is probably still going on, there hasn't been 5 new pages overnight.
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Even when I first joined Goons were complaining about the good ole days.
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I noticed a drastic drop in quality on this site the day I registered.
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Aug 13, 2015 15:49
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Will studios stop doing origin movies now? Please?
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duz posted:Will studios stop doing origin movies now? Please? I hope half of Dr Strange is flashbacks so they can try to justify it as not being an origin movie because he has powers in the literal first minute of the movie.
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Aug 13, 2015 15:50
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duz posted:Will studios stop doing origin movies now? Please? The origin part of this movie is the good part, the "everyone unites and fights the bad guy" stuff is terrible.
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Surlaw posted:The origin part of this movie is the good part, the "everyone unites and fights the bad guy" stuff is terrible. Yea but if you cut out the origin then you can make the first half of the movie "superhero doing his daily business" instead, and that can be even better. Stuff like Keaton's first scene in Batman, or the rave scene in Blade.
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Well, showing how The Thing goes grocery shopping would probably be fun, but I really genuinely liked the transformation/hospital scenes a lot so I'd rather have those.
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Part of the reason why I liked Guardians of the Galaxy so much is it spent about 5 minutes on a quick origin, then jumped to present day and told the rest of the origin through dialogue and references. The sequel might have some more back story about Quill's dad, and it is much more interesting now that we know the character than if it had been tacked on to the start of the first movie. I hope more of the Marvel and DC movies follow suit. Tell the origin story in bits and pieces throughout the course of multiple movies. It makes the characters more intriguing and keeps the first movie from falling into the cookie-cutter formula of origin story + bad guy from your past + climatic battle.
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Slowpoke! posted:the cookie-cutter formula of origin story + bad guy from your past + climatic battle. this formula, imo, is exactly why the majority of comicbook movies are boring pieces of poo poo
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Slowpoke! posted:Part of the reason why I liked Guardians of the Galaxy so much is it spent about 5 minutes on a quick origin, then jumped to present day and told the rest of the origin through dialogue and references. The sequel might have some more back story about Quill's dad, and it is much more interesting now that we know the character than if it had been tacked on to the start of the first movie. And then killing that bad guy so the problem is solved forever and will never come back in any meaningful way.
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I'm not really sure how Guardians is that different. It's very much a story of Quill's awakening as a "hero" even if it doesn't waste time showing, like, how he got his super suit. He's just some dink at the beginning who finally grows into the Star Lord role he's been posturing about. It's an origin of the team "Guardians of the Galaxy" even if it's not about how Pete Quill first got his ship. It feels like any other Marvel film to me in structure, it just had an aesthetic I enjoyed a lot more.
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Surlaw posted:I'm not really sure how Guardians is that different. It's very much a story of Quill's awakening as a "hero" even if it doesn't waste time showing, like, how he got his super suit. He's just some dink at the beginning who finally grows into the Star Lord role he's been posturing about. It's an origin of the team "Guardians of the Galaxy" even if it's not about how Pete Quill first got his ship. Yeah, it's an origin story for the team dynamic even if the team members weren't regular joes at the beginning. In contrast, the status quo in (eg) Dredd is exactly the same as the beginning of the film, just with slightly more dead people.
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The stereotype of the bad comic book origin is that you spend a big chunk of the movie explaining everything about how they became a superhero, then there is a tacked-on conflict with a famous villain who had little to nothing to do with the origin story you were telling who usually gets killed at the end. Guardians tells the team origin story while the main conflict with Ronan is also going on. The only part of the origin story distinct from that is the short opening bit of his childhood; the main conflict is created in the first scene with the adult Quill stealing what Ronan wants. Of course the perfect example of the "bad" origin story I just described is... Superman, which is what a lot of people think of if you ask them to name the first really good comic book movie.
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computer parts posted:Yeah, it's an origin story for the team dynamic even if the team members weren't regular joes at the beginning. I think it's fair to say that Dredd is Andersons' origin story, it's (partly) about how she becomes a Judge. It's origin stories all the way down.
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Dredd was a pretty dope movie.sean10mm posted:The stereotype of the bad comic book origin is that you spend a big chunk of the movie explaining everything about how they became a superhero, then there is a tacked-on conflict with a famous villain who had little to nothing to do with the origin story you were telling who usually gets killed at the end. Guardians tells the team origin story while the main conflict with Ronan is also going on. The only part of the origin story distinct from that is the short opening bit of his childhood; the main conflict is created in the first scene with the adult Quill stealing what Ronan wants. So maybe you're not understanding your own definition of the stereotype you've labeled? Zod had everything to do with the destination of Clark's journey to finding himself.
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Dredd is indeed great, but Marvel would never make a stripped down movie like that. Guardians of the Galaxy, for all its praise, is still a movie about everyone chasing around a meaningless loving orb for 2 hours. The aesthetic/tone makes it feel slightly less cookie-cutter, but at the end of the day it's a nothing of a story.
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Grendels Dad posted:I think it's fair to say that Dredd is Andersons' origin story, it's (partly) about how she becomes a Judge. This is true, if we follow Anderson in subsequent movies.
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computer parts posted:subsequent movies 
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