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Given the number of threads devoted to Bethesda games, I think It'd be just fair to have a thread for the European counterpart of the Elder Scrolls series. I've been replaying the entire Gothic trilogy, and ultimately I think it's superior to the Elder Scrolls, both mechanically, and from an art direction angle.
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Cool thread.
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Aug 14, 2015 01:00
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I played Gothic 3 and died after being stunlocked by a boar. Great
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Aug 14, 2015 01:06
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Stentorian Hoot posted:Cool thread. Every thread in games doesn't need to have an enormous eyesore of an OP. Gothic games are cool, with Gothic 2: Gold being one of the best CRPGs ever. All the Piranha Bytes Gothics are incredible (even 3), and the first Risen is great. When they started to make the following Risen games more console friendly they started to get worse but they're still pretty good games. Gothic 2 has that hilarious CGI of the castle getting attacked by a dragon and a soldier yelling poo poo but I can't find it for some reason.
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Aug 14, 2015 01:10
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Haven't played Gothic 3, but I heard it's alright? Here's hoping their new sci-fi game is going to be as good as Gothic 1 & 2. Not quite counting on it though. 
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Aug 14, 2015 01:21
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gothic 1 and 2 are some kf the best rpgs ever
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Aug 14, 2015 01:33
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Line Feed posted:Haven't played Gothic 3, but I heard it's alright? It's very buggy, the last bug-catching patch was released like three months ago. But if you install the patches, it's a good game, arguably with a larger world than Skyrim, and with better design.
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Aug 14, 2015 01:56
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[quote="Node" post="448943113"] more console friendly they started to get worse but they're still pretty good games. /quote] G 1&2 were incredibly console friendly, given they were designed to be controlled without mouse, and with controllers. They just failed to secure the rights to release those games on the consoles.
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Aug 14, 2015 01:58
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IMO, Gothic 3 beat Skyrim at it's own game, back when just Oblivion was out.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:51
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steinrokkan posted:Given the number of threads devoted to Bethesda games, I think It'd be just fair to have a thread for the European counterpart of the Elder Scrolls series. Uhh huh.  I don't think I'm cherry picking here, this is the 1st screenshot on GMG's Gothic 3: Gold Edition page. Can you post some examples of the strong art direction because all I saw in my search was stiff looking generic medieval European fantasy.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:03
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The art has always been pretty standard fantasy in the Gothic series. The draw of the Gothic series for me is that they have open worlds that are actually fun to explore because they're not so huge and empty. There are no copy pasted dungeons like there are in Oblivion and Skyrim so exploring is usually rewarded with a unique experience.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:35
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7c Nickel posted:Uhh huh. This is a really random picture of a generic enemy against a cliff wall. Speaks about the effort of promoting the G3 in the West, I'll post some of my own screens in a bit.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:49
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drkeiscool posted:IMO, Gothic 3 beat Skyrim at it's own game, back when just Oblivion was out. Quite honestly, Gothic offers a more varied environment than Skyrim, while having about as good a story (meaning a bad, but serviceable story)
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Aug 19, 2015 21:51
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FruitPunchSamurai posted:The art has always been pretty standard fantasy in the Gothic series. The draw of the Gothic series for me is that they have open worlds that are actually fun to explore because they're not so huge and empty. There are no copy pasted dungeons like there are in Oblivion and Skyrim so exploring is usually rewarded with a unique experience. Actually, in Gothic 1 and 2, I really liked the strange blend of realism and expressionism - even mundane enemies such as wolves were at the same time almost cartoonish, and it created a unique atmsphere. Not to mention the fantastic enemies such as molerats and and scavengers.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:52
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Gothic 2 Night of the Raven is fantastic.drkeiscool posted:IMO, Gothic 3 beat Skyrim at it's own game, back when just Oblivion was out. With the community patch maybe. Without it, it's just extremely repetitive and dull.
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Aug 19, 2015 22:00
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Yo, here I some pictures I made in five minutes that are better than the poo poo presented upthread:             
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Aug 19, 2015 22:15
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Aug 20, 2015 00:19
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steinrokkan posted:Yo, here I some pictures I made in five minutes that are better than the poo poo presented upthread: None of these are better than anything I've seen in Skyrim. Which isn't too say they are bad, but there isn't anything special about them.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:22
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All I remember about the 20 or so hours I spent playing gothic and risen games is that they all played like single player MMOs (kill 15 of these creatures, gather 20 berries, etc). I wasn't impressed.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:28
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Well, first - they are ten years older than Skyrim, second - they don't really present the full effect of shaders. Like, Gothic makes it quite ridiculous that there's no worthwhile dynamic lighting in Bethesda games.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:29
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Also I guess it's matter of personal taste, I found the Skyrim world embarrassingly plain.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:30
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gothic 2 is seriously up there for best rpg of all time for me. also risen 1 is basically gothic so is that okay to talk about?
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Aug 20, 2015 00:32
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I never bothered playing Risen, but yeah, it's a Piranha Bites game, so feel free to talk about it.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:35
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My name's Ruthie and I like
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Aug 20, 2015 00:37
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steinrokkan posted:I never bothered playing Risen, but yeah, it's a Piranha Bites game, so feel free to talk about it. risen 1 is really good if you like gothic 1+2, and its probably pretty cheap at this point. risen 2 isn't very good though and the focus of traveling to other islands actively detracts from the game imo.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:40
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Re: Like, Gothic makes it quite ridiculous that there's no worthwhile dynamic lighting in Bethesda games. 
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Aug 20, 2015 00:46
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For some reason I never played any of the Gothic series even though I have them on steam and I'm pretty sure they'd be up my alley. Loved Risen 1 though, good poo poo. I noticed that the whole Risen series is 80% off on steam, is 3 worth playing? I was pretty disappointed with 2.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:51
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Risen 2 and 3 are about equally garbage. Risen 1 is good.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:54
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I can't recommend a Rien game, but you should try Gothic 1 & 2, you can probably get them both for a total of $10 from GOG.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:54
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steinrokkan posted:Well, first - they are ten years older than Skyrim, second - they don't really present the full effect of shaders. Graphics don't make a setting interesting. Lighting usually doesn't either unless your doing something weird and artistic with it. What you posted was a bunch of fairly generic medieval landscapes, and those would stay that way no matter how good the graphics were.
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Aug 20, 2015 00:54
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Internet Kraken posted:Graphics don't make a setting interesting. Lighting usually doesn't either unless your doing something weird and artistic with it. What you posted was a bunch of fairly generic medieval landscapes, and those would stay that way no matter how good the graphics were. Well, what original landscapes are there in either Oblivion or Skyrim?
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Aug 20, 2015 00:56
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steinrokkan posted:Well, what original landscapes are there in either Oblivion or Skyrim? Never said they had many, though Shivering Isles in Oblivion was more interesting than what they normally do. Personally I think Oblivion and Skyrim both look very nice in some areas but I'd still say the landscapes are generic. That doesn't make them bad, but there's nothng special about it. Saying Gothic had much better art design implies something really unique about it but from the screenshots you posted I'm not seeing much to set it above Oblivion/Skyrim.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:02
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Incidentally all Risen games are 80% off on Steam at the moment: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/risen/ The first one's the only good one, though.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:02
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Internet Kraken posted:Never said they had many, though Shivering Isles in Oblivion was more interesting than what they normally do. I honestly think Gothic is nicer, but it's difficult to express in static images, especially whey you are talking about games that take 100+ hours to explore.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:05
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I think Risen 3 is pretty decent, given that it takes most of the poor design decisions of 2 and bins them while retaining the dumb, kooky pirate/voodoo schtick. It remains janksville though.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:06
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marxismftw posted:All I remember about the 20 or so hours I spent playing gothic and risen games is that they all played like single player MMOs (kill 15 of these creatures, gather 20 berries, etc). I wasn't impressed. you are wrong
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Aug 20, 2015 01:07
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i couldn't get into risen. i'll gladly buy the studios new sci-fi game tho
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Aug 20, 2015 01:08
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I can imagine people playing Gothic / Gothic 2 for a bit and getting really frustrated because they got murdered trying to kill a mosquito. Persevere, and enjy the evolution from a wimp into a literal god.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:09
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Gothic 1 and 2 are some of the best RPGs I ever played. Piranha Bytes really knows how to make a world that feels lived in. Their maps are small compared to poo poo like Skyrim but they're so full of hand placed detail that it's hard to even compare the two. I was really hoping that with JoWood collapsing and Nordic Games picking up everything that PB would be given the opportunity to remake Gothic 1. Gothic 2 also has my favorite insult in a video game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuE2yud9BWI It's so good. Risen 1 was so, so, so close to being amazing. It's such a shame. It would be up with Gothic 2 as an amazing RPG if it wasn't for the last third. I mean, look at this poo poo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UARKChxxL4U It had such a great atmosphere. It also had some pretty sharp, fun writing. It's too bad that Risen 2 completely sandbagged the franchise. If Risen 2 had improved on Risen 1 the same way that Gothic 2 improved on Gothic then it'd definitely have been a franchise people cared about. Risen 3 was much better but still had some of that Risen 2 baggage. It returned to the 'camp' idea from Gothic 1/2 and took Risen 2's archipelago idea and greatly expanded on it. The islands were bigger and more detailed but it still wasn't great. The story was also kinda dumb. Risen 1 ended with a really cool premise but then Risen 2/3 only barely touched on it and was just "Pirates are cool, right? Also Titans I guess." Edit: gently caress Gothic 1 and 2 were so good. The early-mid 2000s was such a great time for weird, buggy, ambitious european/russian games. Sankis fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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The Gothic series was hilariously buggy and awkward, but I loving love those games and have played each of them countless times. No other RPG has captured the essence of levelling up from useless turd to amazing bas rear end motherfucker as well as Gothic.
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