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this is a concession on the point I was actually making, so thank you, I'm glad you came around and am sorry for being so cynical about your motives
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mdm posted:drag shows and public sex aren't exactly defense mechanisms actually they are because they created a sense of belonging among a class of people who were oppressed. the gay culture also reveres certain dance-able music much in the same way as the black person under slavery revered the negro spiritual as a way to cope with a climate of fear and hopelessness this is also why gay clubs and black clubs are full of genuine fun, community, and enthusiasm whereas straight clubs are boring as gently caress and lame
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Sep 4, 2015 11:26
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Sep 4, 2015 11:27
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Morkies posted:this is a concession on the point I was actually making, so thank you, I'm glad you came around and am sorry for being so cynical about your motives there is no
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Sep 4, 2015 11:28
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it's the existance of the culture, not the specific practices, that is a Defense Mechanism
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Sep 4, 2015 11:29
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can we start calling men who have sex with men cultureless gays I feel like this group is a minority that should be ridiculed
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Sep 4, 2015 11:31
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mdm posted:there is no I'm sorry your autism fixated on this minor semantic point Maybe when I'm not on my phone I'll spell this out to you in detail
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Sep 4, 2015 11:32
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Morkies posted:I'm sorry your autism fixated on this minor semantic point 
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Sep 4, 2015 11:33
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sometimes a man just likes to see his wife plowed by a dude, but he doesn't identify with cuck culture, which has a rich and detailed history based on years of societal and sometimes legal pressure can we in good faith call him a cuckold?
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Yeah, I was being really stupid when I tried to engage with your deeply confused worldview instead of just calling you a dagger from the start.
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Sep 4, 2015 11:38
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Morkies posted:Yeah, I was being really stupid when I tried to engage with your deeply confused worldview instead of just calling you a dagger from the start. dude you called me autistic for making a joke about the thread title lol
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Sep 4, 2015 11:44
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mdm posted:dude you called me autistic for making a joke about the thread title lol it was an unfunny joke, so the autism hypothesis still fits imo
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Sep 4, 2015 11:46
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Morkies posted:it was an unfunny joke welcome to the thread
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Sep 4, 2015 11:51
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mdm posted:welcome to the thread better, lol re:ssaab "my worldview stands outside history and can be deduced from reason alone, it is not in any way shape or form a mutated off brand of protestantism"
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Sep 4, 2015 11:56
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TEAYCHES posted:poz my neg hole Jerkcity taught me everything I know about gay people.
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TEAYCHES posted:the shared experience of being a homosexual in the united states created a culture as a defense mechanism against repression, also as a way of identifying eachother during a time when it wasnt ok to be "out" is it cultural appropriation for a straight man to have random homosexual encounters asking for a friend
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Sep 4, 2015 13:50
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Morkies posted:I'm sorry your autism fixated on this minor semantic point ashgromnies posted:is it cultural appropriation for a straight man to have random homosexual encounters
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ashgromnies posted:is it cultural appropriation for a straight man to have random homosexual encounters its more like fulfilling dreams full filling dreams
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Sep 4, 2015 14:16
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I've learned something from this thread. God is gay, and that's ok. 
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Sep 4, 2015 14:26
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a real slam dunk posted:More likely than a biblically literal interpretation of Jesus? Yeah. Because the canonical scripture is rife with inconsistency, and his existence is barely mentioned in other historical documents, which strikes me as strange when he supposedly sent the previously dead up and walking through the streets. I would have written that poo poo down. And there were historians writing poo poo down at the time. What's this goony obsession with consistency? Reality is paradoxical whenever you look closely at it. It's contradictions all the way down. Also myths are often more true than history and Mystics are correct. This seems like the Muslim version of Jesus, a great and influential and godly man, a prophet even, but not divine.
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XMNN posted:is that thing about there being more historical evidence for Jesus than Julius Caesar still going Its based on number of surviving manuscripts in which each is mentioned. Its a stupid metric to use and proves nothing, but Evangelicals being it up a lot. TEAYCHES posted:actually they are because they created a sense of belonging among a class of people who were oppressed. the gay culture also reveres certain dance-able music much in the same way as the black person under slavery revered the negro spiritual as a way to cope with a climate of fear and hopelessness Also gay churches.
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The truth is... we've been had. The whole thing was a setup from the beginning! We were always meant to be damned and cast out of Eden, why else would god have bothered to create quasars and underground caves and poo poo no one would ever see or know about? So the real questions is what kind of sick motherfucker would create this elaborate scenario and then sentence us to hell and on top of that make us feel guilty about it.
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XMNN posted:if you want to stare into the face of god id recommend nitrous oxide it feels so profound and meaningful and everything is so beautiful you cant really put it into words for about a minute and a half and then youre back in the room Doesn't work for me like that anymore, I mean I still encounter God but it's no longer the ineffable Union typical of shamanistic mysticism. Now if you give me drugs like that it will start giving me the feeling of closeness with the God of Abaraham and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, distinctly and clearly. I find myself drawn to the Law. Last time I tried that, I was reading the bible and transcribing lots of it and giving my life a sort of surgery with the scalple of the Word. It's p cool if you wanna try I recommend praying for thanks, praying for forgiveness, and praying for God to open your heart even if you are unsure about it. Then do whatever you do to your brain and try reading The Sermon on the Mount in the book of Matthew. Fair warning, this may not be God's plan for you and if it's not He may let you know and it may not be pleasant. God can be VERY scary 
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MeLKoR posted:The truth is... we've been had. The whole thing was a setup from the beginning! We were always meant to be damned and cast out of Eden, why else would god have bothered to create quasars and underground caves and poo poo no one would ever see or know about? So the real questions is what kind of sick motherfucker would create this elaborate scenario and then sentence us to hell and on top of that make us feel guilty about it. Ever try to explain a really adult thing (such as the joy of self sacrifice and hard work being superior to the pleasure of selfish hedonism) to a child of about 6 years old? I often think these types of criticisms are like the child arguing with the adult that it's stupid to follow rules eating ice cream all day is the highest bliss
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InterFaced posted:Dick Dorkins
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Commie NedFlanders posted:Doesn't work for me like that anymore, I mean I still encounter God but it's no longer the ineffable Union typical of shamanistic mysticism. Now if you give me drugs like that it will start giving me the feeling of closeness with the God of Abaraham and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, distinctly and clearly. I find myself drawn to the Law. Looks like I found my plans for the weekend. Datura grows all around my house. I should eat some of that and read the bible and see which police station god sends me to.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:What's this goony obsession with consistency? Because the most basic way of discerning whether a statement merits further investigation is if it (A) is consistent with itself, and (B) is consistent with the outside evidence surrounding the assertion(s) it makes? A guy walks up to you and says he is an eight-foot-tall wallaby named "Kevin". He then says that he is King Olaf of Sweden. Your sense of sight lets you evaluate whether he is eight feet tall and/or a wallaby. The driver's license in his wallet lets you evaluate the likelihood of his name being "Kevin" or "Olaf" or neither. If those two avenues of inquiry don't lead you to a conclusion about whether or not the man is telling the truth, you can always call the Swedish embassy (or look on the internet) to learn that there has never been a King Olaf of Sweden, and that the last monarch with a similar name, "Olof Skötkonung" has been dead for almost a thousand years. So, either he is a dead Swede who doesn't know how to spell his own name, or he's an eight-foot-tall wallaby and your sense of sight is failing you, or he is lying and/or mentally-ill. You get to pick which one seems most likely. quote:Reality is paradoxical whenever you look closely at it. It's contradictions all the way down. Could you provide some examples, please? quote:Also myths are often more true than history and Mystics are correct. Rad. Got examples of this? quote:This seems like the Muslim version of Jesus, a great and influential and godly man, a prophet even, but not divine. I don't think arsd was making claims about Jesus' greatness, godliness, or prophetic abilities.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:Ever try to explain a really adult thing (such as the joy of self sacrifice and hard work being superior to the pleasure of selfish hedonism) to a child of about 6 years old? I'm old enough to recognize Stockholm Syndrome. You suck up to an evil deity, I think I wanna hear what that Lucifer fellow has to say because this story we've been fed is pure bullshit. I'm taking the red pill.
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God is a retarded little human being and I want to gently caress His rear end.
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budgieinspector posted:Because the most basic way of discerning whether a statement merits further investigation is if it (A) is consistent with itself, and (B) is consistent with the outside evidence surrounding the assertion(s) it makes? I always hear about supposed inconsistencies in the Scripture, but I have yet to see one that wasn't explained in some basic theologic text a thousand years ago fully in line with the overall Christian phiosophy.
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If not believing in something for which you have no proof is faith then are we all part of the religion of people who don't believe politicians are lizard people and santa doesn't exist? I saw the thread go in circles a bunch of times but I just can fundamentally not understand how saying "I don't believe in god because there's no evidence in favor of their existence but should you provide proof of somesort I'd be willing to admit I was wrong" constitutes any faith on my part. Everyone's like "atheism isn't falsifiable!" well yeah it is, you just have to offer evidence of the existence of god and bam it's been disproven like that. The belief in god isn't falsifiable because there's no real way to prove conclusively that god doesn't exist, you could always handwave away a lack of evidence as our poor ability to measure it, but the belief that there is no god could be readily shown to be wrong should a god actually exist.
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PenguinBob posted:God is a retarded little human being and I want to gently caress His rear end. Gay for God.
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ArbitraryC posted:. Everyone's like "atheism isn't falsifiable!" well yeah it is, you just have to offer evidence of the existence of god and bam it's been disproven like that. This is pointless, any proof of god is metaphysical, while atheism requires physical evidence. There's no space for argument.
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steinrokkan posted:This is pointless, any proof of god is metaphysical, while atheism requires physical evidence. There's no space for argument. the perfect crime
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steinrokkan posted:This is pointless, any proof of god is metaphysical, while atheism requires physical evidence. There's no space for argument. It's straight up impossible to prove god doesn't exist, but it is hypothetically possible to provide evidence in favor of god it's just that we don't have any.
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ArbitraryC posted:God is all powerful though, there is nothing stopping god (should they exist) from simply appearing before us and doing godly poo poo. That's not consistent with at the very least Roman Catholic theology. Acording to it the only direct manifestation of God in observable phenomena is the fact of their existence, which is inherited from God (a thing an't be the source of its own existence - God is the only exception, in a way, except his existence has no source). In fact, according to the Catholic Church, God = Existence is the most authoritative statement that can be said about him and his powers wrt. to the creation.
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steinrokkan posted:That's not consistent with at the very least Roman Catholic theology. Acording to it the only direct manifestation of God in observable phenomena is the fact of their existence, which is inherited from God (a thing an't be the source of its own existence - God is the only exception, in a way, except his existence has no source). In fact, according to the Catholic Church, God = Existence is the most authoritative statement that can be said about him and his powers wrt. to the creation.
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Also God can't affect the creation post hoc, that's reasoned in one of the earliest chapters of Aquinas' Summa, IIRC.
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ArbitraryC posted:If you're going with a "well everything is god" definition then there's not really a god in the first place. No, that's not it. God is a distinct entity, which has its own essence. But it's essence equals its being, or it's existence. That sets it apart from all other beings, who participate their being from some preceding principle or preceding being, i.e. they inherit their existence from a previous or more general existing entity. In short, God is separate from creation, but is explicitly described as the simplest being because as a being it can't be described with anything else than that it is, and is prior to other things. From that should be pretty obvious that the idea of God as an active agent who could easily act in some way to prove himself to humanity is, in the Catholic concept, not just problematic, but also absurd.
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