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Rakosi posted:You're the side on the defense, I think. Because you've not offered one argument for having guns unrestricted in the manner they are currently that can't be digested into nationalist "It's are rights!!!". Actually you should probably defend your position on banning something other than "I'm afraid of them and uhhh I don't really know past that" LeeMajors posted:Instead of stamping your feet and crying that I'm not bent out of shape about it, see tezzor's posts for stamping and crying. More states than ever have legalized concealed carry and despite your screeching about blood in the streets, the streets are looking real dry from where I am.
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various cheeses posted:Actually you should probably defend your position on banning something other than "I'm afraid of them and uhhh I don't really know past that" If cold then how global warming? Checkmate gun change scientists.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:51
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various cheeses posted:Actually you should probably defend your position on banning something other than "I'm afraid of them and uhhh I don't really know past that" I've listed a bunch of examples that provide my reasoning for my opinion. Yours is anecdotal. Your whole country is really bad at guns, this is a fact. Every country that is better than you with guns has much less of them. Explain.
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Aug 27, 2015 22:56
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DeusExMachinima posted:Victimless crimes are bad because I say so. What fresh meme is this?
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Aug 27, 2015 23:00
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Rakosi posted:I've listed a bunch of examples that provide my reasoning for my opinion. Yours is anecdotal. Actually we're pretty good at guns. We have a lot of them.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:01
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various cheeses posted:Actually we're pretty good at guns. We have a lot of them. That is clearly not something everyone else thinks is a problem and instead something to celebrate.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:09
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Rakosi posted:That is clearly not something everyone else thinks is a problem and instead something to celebrate. We are in total agreement here my friend.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:11
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various cheeses posted:We are in total agreement here my friend. Just out of curiosity; if you have seen the footage of those two reporters getting blasted (or any previous publicized shooting incident), do you immediately think "acceptable losses for my rights"?
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Aug 27, 2015 23:22
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Rakosi posted:Just out of curiosity; if you have seen the footage of those two reporters getting blasted (or any previous publicized shooting incident), do you immediately think "acceptable losses for my rights"? No, it's more primal than that. He's thinking about how it wouldn't happen to him because he's strapped.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:43
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It is an indisputable fact that if you support a thing I don't like you are a terrible person and also a murderer with a small dick.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:50
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It is an indisputable fact that if you support a thing I don't like you are a terrible person and also a murderer with a small dick. This but unironically.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It is an indisputable fact that if you support a thing I don't like you are a terrible person and also a murderer with a small dick. Nazis must be good people, since other people think they are bad and terrible people for their opinions.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:52
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It is an indisputable fact that if you support a thing I don't like you are a terrible person and also a murderer with a small dick. If you are in support of something that literally makes society worse and more dangerous for others, like guns, then I agree.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:54
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Effectronica posted:Nazis must be good people As a murderer with a small dick I find it very offensive to be constantly grouped in with people who have opinions I don't like. I'm sure some nazis have normal sized or even larger dicks.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:58
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Rent-A-Cop posted:A solid Effectronica post. Hey, as Harry Truman said, if you can't take the heat, get the hell out of Nagasaki.
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Aug 27, 2015 23:59
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Gravel Gravy posted:Are there guns that shoot out the plague now? Seems an inefficient way to prevent home burglaries. You're not thinking it through; it's like ant poison. Shoot the burglar, they go home to their
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Aug 28, 2015 00:02
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Rakosi posted:You're the side on the defense, I think. Because you've not offered one argument for having guns unrestricted in the manner they are currently that can't be digested into nationalist "It's are rights!!!". LeeMajors posted:Instead of stamping your feet and crying that Rakosi posted:Just out of curiosity; if you have seen the footage of those two reporters getting blasted (or any previous publicized shooting incident), do you immediately think "acceptable losses for my rights"?
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Aug 28, 2015 00:04
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So do people agree with the full text of ZARDOZ's statements or do they just pick and choose? I think the part where "the penis is evil" gets neglected in today's society.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:07
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Does every thread in D&D get this amount of vitriol or is it just gun.txt?
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various cheeses posted:Does every thread in D&D get this amount of vitriol or is it just gun.txt? Cops & Criminals gets pretty heated. I think the half the Australia Politics thread got banned one time.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:13
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Why is everyone for remedial guns? We need smart guns for our nation's future!
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Dead Reckoning posted:That's not how it works though. If you're going to argue that I shouldn't be allowed to do something, you have to provide a compelling, affirmative case why I shouldn't. Screeching "you don't need that" doesn't cut it. So far, all you've offered is the position that western European countries have slightly lower homicide rates than the United States, and that western European countries have more restrictive laws about civilian firearms ownership than the United States, and then jumped directly to the conclusion that more restrictive laws about civilian firearms ownership causes lower homicide rates. Unfortunately, that falls apart when one looks at countries like Russia, Brazil, and the Philippines that have strict laws about civilian firearms ownership, but higher homicide rates than the United States. You are so full of facetious strawmans. You don't have a "slightly" higher gun homicide rate than European countries, you are off the scale. New Orleans is almost equal to Honduras, per 100,000, for gun homicide. Honduras is the country with the most gun homicides in the world. Country-wide, you average out many, many times more likely to die from gun violence. I think it's about 20 times more likely than in my country, in Europe. Russia, Brazil and the Philippines do not exactly have the same professional police forces or controlled borders that Europe and the US do, do they? You can't seriously be trying to compare the USA to them in a gun debate with the aim of making a point that the USA isn't that bad, can you? Rakosi posted:Just out of curiosity; if you have seen the footage of those two reporters getting blasted (or any previous publicized shooting incident), do you immediately think "acceptable losses for my rights"? Dead Reckoning posted:I've never understood this guilt by association thing. Do you think people should break down in tears every time they start their car or have a beer because 8,000 people a year have to die in drunk driving collisions in order for them to have their rights? That doesn't answer my question. If you could choose between the current high gun homicide rate in America, or your right to bear arms, which would you choose? Don't dodge it this time. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Rakosi posted:gun homicide rate Gun homicides are more special than regular homicides?
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Aug 28, 2015 00:24
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various cheeses posted:Gun homicides are more special than regular homicides? Yes because the topic is gun control iirc. Typical NRA distraction poo poo, answer my post first, please.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:27
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A good argument for outright banning guns would be that a great many people demonstrably have broken brains due to the influence of guns, and the most humane way to get them to shut up about how it's a magazine/clip, not a clip/magazine, is simply to ban them outright. Significantly restricting access strikes a nice balance with people who have a reason to own and use guns.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:28
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various cheeses posted:Gun homicides are more special than regular homicides? I'm going to explain this in the most remedial terms so you fucks can understand it: Guns exist purely for the purpose of killing other people and make deadly violence as easy as pulling a trigger. It is different than other methods of homicide because it is far, far, far easier to exact significant deadly violence with a minimum of effort. It is okay to legislate to make murder as difficult as possible--especially in regards to items that exist only for the purpose of killing. Goddrat.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:29
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various cheeses posted:Gun homicides are more special than regular homicides? It's a loaded question maybe?
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Rakosi posted:Yes because the topic is gun control iirc. Typical NRA distraction poo poo, answer my post first, please. So you're somehow double-dead when shot by a gun vs stabbed or beaten? Give me a break you clown. Instead of specifically targeting the gun violence boogeyman, try enacting measures that target the crime rate overall.
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various cheeses posted:So you're somehow double-dead when shot by a gun vs stabbed or beaten? Give me a break you clown. Instead of specifically targeting the gun violence boogeyman, try enacting measures that target the crime rate overall. See, for example, how this guy, because he has had his psyche permanent warped by the presence of guns, believes in a vast hivemind of criminals, such that stepping up enforcement on securities fraud would lower the homicide rate.
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Effectronica posted:See, for example, how this guy, because he has had his psyche permanent warped by the presence of guns, believes in a vast hivemind of criminals, such that stepping up enforcement on securities fraud would lower the homicide rate. Haha what
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various cheeses posted:So you're somehow double-dead when shot by a gun vs stabbed or beaten? Give me a break you clown. Instead of specifically targeting the gun violence boogeyman, try enacting measures that target the crime rate overall. Is this the final form of broken-windows policing?
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Effectronica posted:Is this the final form of broken-windows policing? Nah more like reducing poverty rates. The sad fact is poor people tend to do more crime, and you tend to do less crime when you're living comfortably.
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various cheeses posted:So you're somehow double-dead when shot by a gun vs stabbed or beaten? Give me a break you clown. Instead of specifically targeting the gun violence boogeyman, try enacting measures that target the crime rate overall. Try responding to my points and not interjecting distracting (and insane) NRA bullshit to turn the thread off current topic. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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various cheeses posted:Nah more like reducing poverty rates. The sad fact is poor people tend to do more crime, and you tend to do less crime when you're living comfortably. What's the average income of a mass shooter?
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Conservatives don't give a gently caress about poverty or mental health until their guns are threatened. Firearms uber alles.
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various cheeses posted:Nah more like reducing poverty rates. The sad fact is poor people tend to do more crime, and you tend to do less crime when you're living comfortably. Poverty has little correlation with crime rates generally. What does correlate strongly is lower socioeconomic status, for the overall crime rate.
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various cheeses posted:So you're somehow double-dead when shot by a gun vs stabbed or beaten? Yes. As I said earlier, being killed by a gun angers the Lord and he sends you to Mega-Sheol.
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LeeMajors posted:If you are in support of something that literally makes society worse and more dangerous for others, like guns, then I agree. Hypothetical: if there were a way to successfully prohibit drugs and alcohol would you do it? Like how far does this possession crimes rabbit hole go.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hypothetical: if there were a way to successfully prohibit drugs and alcohol would you do it? Like how far does this possession crimes rabbit hole go. What does this have to do with what he said?
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