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PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Jun 3, 2008

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quote:

The Australian Border Force removed about 30 detainees from the Maribyrnong Detention Centre in a raid early on Friday that a witness described as "brutal and intimidating".

A refugee advocate speculated the raid was undertaken to make way for any visa defaulters nabbed in the Melbourne CBD in the infamously cancelled Operation Fortitude.

But that claim was emphatically denied by an Immigration Department spokesman who said the operation was a routine search for unauthorised and illicit contraband.

"The Department can confirm a number of detainees were recently transferred within the detention network, as part of a pre-planned move," said the spokesman.

"The searches conducted at the MIDC on Friday were not linked to the transfers. For operational and security reasons we cannot comment further."

According to one source, a team of up to 70 officers from the ABF, its dog squad and Serco Emergency Response Team swooped on the centre at 2.30am.

They are believed to have woken the detainees, handcuffed them and put them on buses bound for chartered flights.

The men, some of whom are asylum seekers, were then taken to an undisclosed location.

Fairfax Media understands they were en route to Yongah Hill Detention Centre, north-east of Perth, and Christmas Island Detention Centre.

The ABF officers and Serco ERT team then continued to search each of the remaining 90 detainees –including 10 women – and their rooms until 5.30pm on Friday.

The source, who did not want to be named, said there were "distressing scenes" at the centre, with the men "screaming" while being forcibly removed.

The detainees were "terrified" of being taken to Christmas Island as they would be cut off from their friends and family, he said.

"There is an atmosphere of fear and intimidation at the centre now," he said.

"One of the detainees said 'we are treated like dogs'."

Asylum Seeker Resource Centre detention rights advocate Pamela Curr said the families and friends of the detainees had been unable to find out where the men were taken.
"We have got people contacting us now, asking us to find their loved ones who have been moved effectively to a secret prison," Ms Curr said.

"We have gone from secret on-board matters to secret in-detention centre matters where people are being moved from detention centre to detention centre in the middle of the night and their family members are not allowed to know where they are going."

She believed the government removed the detainees in a bid to "make room" ahead of the cancelled Operation Fortitude, she said.

"This was the day they announced the visa inspection program in Melbourne," Ms Curr said. "What they would have been doing is clearing out the Maribyrnong Detention Centre with hopes that they could pick up visa anomalies and whack them into detention.

"We don't know that [for sure] but it is the most logical explanation."

However, a spokesman for the Department of Immigration and Border Protection said the raid was conducted to ensure the safety of the centre and "stamp out criminal behaviour".

Similar operations would continue on an ongoing basis, he said.

"The key message is we have a zero tolerance to illegal behaviour in our centres," the spokesman said.

"A variety of contraband items were seized during the operation, including drug paraphernalia and a homemade tattoo gun."

When asked if any criminal charges had been laid, the spokesman said "detainees found in possession of illegal contraband may face criminal charges".

The raid followed "success of Operation Safe Centres in March earlier this year" and was conducted to ensure the "safety and good order of our Immigration Detention facilities centres, while identifying detainees who are doing the wrong thing", he said.

However, a source told Fairfax Media the officers found only "two glass smoking pipes", "Iphones" and "trolleys upon trolleys of extra linen" and extra mattresses that the detainees had amassed during their stay at the centre.

"No drugs were found," he said.

"In a search lasting all day, almost 80 officers searching 90 detainees and all they find is a tattoo gun and a couple of glass bongs?"

"It was an overkill."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/t...l#ixzz3kTIWwh8X

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
"But the Coalition has already flagged its intention to call out Mr Windsor as a hypocrite for selling his farm to Whitehaven Coal"

I've been hearing this poo poo for years now as if it's some trump card against Windsor but noone ever bothers to explain why, it's just a load of "well if he hates mines so much why did he sell his farm to a mine?? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM makes you think" bullshit that doesn't go anywhere. You'd think they'd have come up with something more substantial to throw at him by now.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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QUACKTASTIC posted:

You know who else ate whole raw onions probably?

Stalin? Mao? Castro? Kim? Mugabe? Ahmadinejad? Stephen Conroy?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/opinion/australias-brutal-treatment-of-migrants.html Read The drat Thing

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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I don't want to argue against whichever public official ASIO is most closely monitoring, I want to commit crimes against them. Haha

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/immigration/2015/09/05/inside-border-forces-power/14413752002322

quote:

Inside Border Force’s power

MARTIN MCKENZIE-MURRAY
Border Force is the contrivance of a knot of ambitious bureaucrats whose aim is to militarise Immigration.

AAP
Australian Border Force commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg (left), Immigration Minister Peter Dutton (centre) and PM Tony Abbott.



He’s known as “The Pez” in Canberra circles, and his rise has been inexorable. At least, that’s what they say; and origin stories are important in the capital. Mike Pezzullo, secretary of the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, was a graduate employee in the Department of Defence in the early ’90s when his wife was tapped for an advisory position with then foreign affairs minister Gareth Evans. Wanting to start a family, she declined, but her husband got the gig. From there he became Kim Beazley’s deputy chief of staff. “The rest is history,” a source says. “He rose and rose and rose. And he always loved a uniform. Now he’s got one.”

Today, the Pez is head of one of the most controversial departments in the country. Its policies have been condemned by the United Nations, questioned by its own Moss report and now, with the recent release of a senate inquiry, its Nauru camps have been deemed unsuitable for children. All of this was foreseen. But most of those who gave warnings are gone. The department has undergone a massive flight of executives. If you work there, you don’t call Pezzullo Pez. Or Mike. Not anymore. “This used to be a first name organisation,” a source says. “The secretary would be called Andrew or Martin. Now it’s ‘Mr Secretary’ or ‘Secretary Pezzullo’, which is an Americanisation. All of the staff, right down to the lowest levels, have a fear of getting this wrong.”

For decades, before it got tangled with Hansonism and its proxies, Australia’s immigration policy was largely uncontroversial. It was also successful. Successful in that it bore up refugees – the children of immigrants were beginning to rank more highly on education attainment and income than their counterparts. Unlike much of Europe, which distributed visas as a claim to cheap labour, Australia accepted refugees as future Australians. We welcomed husbands, wives and children. Our immigration policy understood that integration wouldn’t work without the individual’s family.

Mandatory detention began under Keating, and was implemented as a form of deterrence. On that matter, nothing has changed. Over decades, we have only perfected the logic. “Mike was a strong proponent of tow-backs, even under Labor,” a source says. “He would argue that one good tow-back would send a strong message. And the Malaysia transfer scheme, well that was a virtual tow-back. Within 24 hours of being on Christmas Island you’ll be on your way. It was always about deterrence.”

“All that ‘soft side’ of the shop was moved to other departments.”
But deterrence is not enough. The policy never contended with what would happen to the people whose treatment was the essence of that deterrence. “When Labor reopened Manus and Nauru there was never confidence that it was a long-term solution for the challenge of asylum seekers and people smugglers. There was never any confidence that these places could offer a safe, long-term option for asylum seekers, let alone any found to have claims recognised under the Refugee Convention and released into the local community as refugees. In fact, there were warnings that it would end badly. In deaths, even,” a senior source said.

“Several years later, these places are still running, still lurching from one human disaster to another. They’re torture camps now, and I don’t think any of the leadership team in the new Immigration Department care one bit. And the stories getting out – the newspaper articles and emails and letters – well, the more the stories get out about how awful it is, from the government’s perspective, the more it serves as a deterrent. That’s kind of the point.”

Militarisation of the department

What has changed, rapidly and profoundly, is the raison d’être of the Immigration Department. Its DNA has been forsaken. First is its abandonment of historical focus – that of the settlement and integration of refugees, a focus that has happily distinguished Australia from much of the world. “There was a range of things the department once did – for example, Harmony Day, humanitarian settlement, multiculturalism,” a source says. “All these are stripped from Immigration now. Broadly, there has been very little promotion of multicultural policy by this government. All that ‘soft side’ of the shop was moved under the machinery of government changes to other departments. It once was that skilled migration, tourism, student visas, citizenship, multicultural policy – that was the bread and butter of the department.”

Mike Pezzullo – Mr Secretary – oversees a dramatically militarised department, one that functions with increasing secrecy. There is now a command and control system; its senior bureaucrats wear military tunics. Long-term public servants, asked to exchange policy for army salutes, have left. About a quarter of senior executives are gone. Remaining immigration staff are now the beta tribe to the big dogs of Border Force, creating internecine angst, while the media team field daily questions about abuse exercised in their name.

“They’ve cut down on the sharing of information,” a source says. “A lot. And there are now many physically quarantined places in the building at Belconnen. There used to be just one area that if someone who wasn’t authorised to be there – like, they were employed by the department but were visiting that particular work station – then people would call out ‘Stranger on the floor’ and that was a sign to stop talking and clear your desk of anything sensitive. Well, now there are many such areas.”

Back during the 2010 election, policy briefs were written for the new government – whoever it might be. The brief from Immigration included the suggestion that Customs be amalgamated into the department. The deputy secretary, Bob Correll, was the strongest advocate for a pseudo-militarisation of the department’s functions, and while the advice was dropped, Correll would ensure it became reality when he became Scott Morrison’s chief of staff in 2013. Which is also when executives began leaving the department – the thought of implementing Correll’s ideology was unthinkable.

At the start of the year, the Australian Border Force Act gave birth to Australia’s newest security agency. The prime minister would officially launch it in July. The ABF was effectively a melding of Customs and Immigration officers, reconceived with considerably more power. ABF officers can carry arms, conduct surveillance and detain people. With these powers, the ABF patrols our seas, airports and detention centres.

The department was barely recognisable, and by the time the ABF was launched not one deputy secretary from two years earlier was still there. “Immigration didn’t bring Customs into its bosom,” a senior source tells me. “Customs absorbed Immigration into its bowel.”

The notorious media release

The ABF media release went out just after 10am last Friday. It was written by an inexperienced media officer and beneath the ultimate guidance of a new communications executive recruited from the Department of Defence. Armed ABF officers, it said, would be patrolling Melbourne’s CBD and stopping “any individual we cross paths with”. It went on: “You need to be aware of the conditions of your visa.”

Despite the inexperience of its author, the draft release managed to pass untouched through a slalom course of approval. Once published, the unhinging began.

The intention of the release was clear, even if its provenance wasn’t, and it was received incredulously by the public. A sort of giddy disgust fomented, one that would eventually spill onto Melbourne’s streets.

The ABF became swamped with criticism or requests for clarification, while public relations teams for myriad organisations and political offices privately sought their own explanations. Behind the scenes, a mad spaghetti junction was formed by the exchange of hundreds of emails. The desperation was understandable – a reasonable interpretation of the ABF’s own statement was that it was poised to conduct a spectacularly invasive and impractical operation, one at odds with the deepest virtues of our democracy. Later, the ABF would blame the controversy on the “mischaracterisation” of the release by the media, but as a source close to the operation told me: “[The statement] was entirely unambiguous. In fact, it was one of the plainer government media releases you’ll see.”

Operation Fortitude

Operation Fortitude was intended as a larger-than-usual presence of law enforcement on Melbourne’s public transport – as much public relations as preventive policing – with the stated goal of helping “commuter safety”. The ABF would play a minor role. For almost as long as we have had a visa system, we have had police working with Customs officers to ensure its integrity. “Compliance staff quietly waiting in their cars, or in the background somewhere,” a source familiar with the operation tells me, “waiting for police to speak, to come to them with, say, a driver’s licence or some form of ID which the compliance guys would key into their laptops and bring up information, such as whether they were on a visa, what type, what work restrictions, if any, and so forth.”

The ABF officers would have had a peripheral role – waiting until information from police was received – and secondary to the passive policing of transport hubs.

How Fortitude collapsed

Just before 1pm, the ABF released a statement it hoped would douse the fire. “To be clear,” it read, “the ABF does not and will not stop people at random in the streets … The ABF does not target on the basis of race, religion or ethnicity.” It didn’t help. There was now the dissonance between “commuter safety”, “stopping anyone” and the latest contradictory assurance. The words “To be clear” stubbornly suggested public misinterpretation, or was a weird confession of ambiguity where none existed. Meanwhile, the protest was bubbling. It was being swiftly organised online, and would soon transform onto the streets. But the public would be protesting a mirage.

From about 1.30pm, protesters began swarming Flinders Street Station’s entrance and its surrounding streets. They scrawled slogans on the footpaths in chalk; waved placards bearing crossed-out swastikas. They were mostly young, all appalled, and chanting “gently caress off Border Force”. The major streets ground to a halt. Trams and cars were blocked. There was gridlock in the city. By 2pm, the crowd was swollen and sincere in its belief that it was rejecting a reformation of Nazism.

There was low pleasure in watching the farce. It was operatic, and unfurled at pace. It had it all. There were “clarifications” that aided confusion. There were steel-jawed, military-garbed men blaming kids. There was the sheer speed of the collapse – only a handful of hours joined the declaration of an operation with its cancellation. And at the epicentre there was a young media officer incapable of grasping the size of her error and the complicated delirium it inspired. The whole day was like a realisation of Kessler syndrome – the hypothetical chain reaction that comes from one bit of space junk smashing into a satellite and generating its own catastrophic spray of debris. The result is exponentially increasing damage, and an orbit unfit for exploration.

There’s sufficient debris in the orbit now to retard analysis. The narrative is already well established – that the ABF actually intended to deploy themselves as illiberally as promised by the original media release, and that the left heroically repelled them. It’s a story widely told, from Bill Shorten to the Greens to human rights commissioner Tim Wilson. All have worked from the assumption that the original press release was accurate, and not the accidental confection of a witless comms officer. Which is what it was.

The protesters had forgotten Hanlon’s razor, which warns against attributing “conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity”. It is hard to retreat from a line of noble defiance. It’s infinitely more gratifying than the recognition you were picketing a fiction.

It might appear astonishing that such a press release could pass, but that suspicion assumes an unrelenting rigour in the system. The weakest link in this chain is not the youngest person, but the most bored or distracted. And that could be just about anyone. The writing of these things is a loveless exercise in mild propaganda. Their authors quickly inherit the cynicism of the political masters that dictate them. And upstairs, those masters are busy fretting and plotting. Quality control demands that each of them care equally about it, but that’s almost impossible.

The protesters lacked perspective, but they weren’t wrong to be alarmed by the release. The ABF’s stated intention was clear – until they told us it wasn’t. And the official response to the protests was speckled with cowardice and confusion. The ABF commissioner, Roman Quaedvlieg, said: “Taken into context, it makes absolute, perfect, legitimate sense. But read through the layperson’s eyes – which I absolutely openly acknowledge – it’s clumsily worded and it’s been misconstrued and it shouldn’t have been worded that way.”

We have now militarised our Immigration Department, but one of its leaders couldn’t plainly confront the enemy of internal incompetence. “That he blamed a low-level staffer is the height of disloyalty,” a senior source told me. “He should be man enough to take responsibility. He hasn’t done that.”

Senior public servants foresaw this bungle, as they warned years ago about the dangers of the government’s immigration policies. And both the scepticism and incompetence is the result of a profoundly reimagined Immigration Department.

‘Inanimate things’

Long ago our policies peeled away from sobriety and international law, and became the steel balls of a perpetual motion machine. Collectively we have pretended that intelligent policy is one that reinforces the previous mob’s brutality. Together we’ve agreed to pretend that immigration has little to do with our economy, or the barbarism of conflicts that we’ve already recognised by dispatching troops. It is hard to reconcile the fact that Australians have died trying to quell tyrannies that have created an exodus we’ve placed in distant and squalid camps.

It’s unlikely to change. “I don’t think Mike Pezzullo lets human consequence get in the way,” my source tells me. “He doesn’t let the human element of policy get in the way. Pezzullo comes from Customs – he’s dealt with inanimate things. Containers, mail, suitcases, drugs. It’s not humans. It’s not issues of settlement, integration, support. Mike’s not alone in this. Many in Customs are desensitised.”

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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"Illegal AND/OR unlawful maritime arrival" please.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Cory Bernardi is probably a huge racist.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

Is there a good article or book about political language in Australia? Specifically when repetition became the norm? I want to say I noticed some under Howard, a little under Rudd/Gillard and now we have a PM that can't go a single loving interview without uttering one of his stupid D alliterations. I can only assume it's deliberate.

Abbott speaks that way because he can't manage anything more complex, basically. Go watch any interview where he's forced to address something outside of whatever narrow topic he's come to talk about and watch as he stammers for five seconds while his brain reboots.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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~front door~

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Solemn Sloth posted:

This is from the drum right?

Guardian liveblog.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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That reminds me, whatever happened to that antibogan guy who got framed for soliciting sex with minors or whatever?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Just give WA to Canada, IMO

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGMrGlAHUq0

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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SynthOrange posted:

So it turns out that an 'australian jihadist' was actually an american idiot engaging in next level trolling to the point where he's instructing people on how to build bombs and encouraging attacks.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-troll-20150911-gjk852.html

In conversations with Fairfax Media, which were also cited in the affidavit, Mr Goldberg had said he did not expect any jihadist to actually carry out an attack because: "These guys are pussy keyboard warriors".

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
I hope he's mauled by a bear.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
So, Ruddock for PM, then?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
"Apart from David Marr's extremely unlikely story of Abbott punching a wall close a girl's head while at university - he would have presumably broken his hand - what evidence is there for that. There is none at all."

Yeah, "extremely unlikely" if you ignore all the other accounts of him attacking people, threatening people or just being generally aggressive and obnoxious, not to mention how everyone who accused the woman in that story of lying had to publicly apologise and settle in court.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Unimpressed posted:

Look out Warren, Barnaby's coming for your jugular: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/12/barnaby-joyce-says-business-case-for-big-new-coalmines-no-longer-stacks-up

I might be drawing a long bow, but I'm thinking BJ has seen the Nationals losing farming votes to the Greens and decided to kill off the Warren Zombie. I mean Barnaby's a loving moron, but in comparison to Warren Truss he's Einstein's and Hawking's love child.

You are drawing a long bow. He's opposing the mine because his electorate doesn't want it, doesn't like him for letting it happen and will move to get rid of him the moment Tony Windsor confirm's he's going to make a comeback; he's not thinking about leadership, he's thinking about holding his seat.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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The Nationals are in a "coalition" with the Liberals because they know they'll lose most of their seats if they have to contest them against a party with lots of money, so becoming Vichy Libs was seen as a compromise that would let them maintain some level of influence. It's a racket, basically.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Serrath posted:

Interestingly (well, perhaps not since it didn't change anything), the seat has been held by the National party since the 1960's but the National member (Bruce Scott) changed parties to the Liberal party for the last election and the National party didn't run a candidate. He still won by an impressive margin but he's really well known for actively campaigning, visiting all the towns in the vast electorate, answering questions, and seeming like a member of the community. Whether this is a fair assessment or not, my partner's father said that members running for the Greens and Labor party were generally unknown and he suggested that a lot of his neighbors voted more for the person they've met on the belief that he'll represent their interests better.

That's pretty much the sentiment I hear where I am (inland NSW), too - left-of-the-Nats parties will never gain any ground here because they don't, can't or don't want to cultivate or endorse local candidates.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Remember the last leadership challenge and how some journalist asked Abbott if it'd given him cause to reflect on his own failings and he was all "nah I don't do self-reflection, I'll leave that for the nerds in the press gallery"

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
Oh cool I get home and Tony's about to be toppled and he gave the exact same speech as last time and Clive Palmer made another goodbye video and Abbott's preparing a loving Abbott/Dutton ticket. Good poo poo

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Spudd posted:

Where is the writing that Abbott won't get the ex PM pension if he is kicked out in the next 4 day? My mother doesn't believe me in the slightest.

Quoting evilbastard:

It seems Section 19A of the Parlimentary Retiring Allowances Act 1948 agrees with you - it was updated in 2007, but the two year minimum still seems to be present.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/0708/praa

The Parliamentary Retiring Allowances Act 1948
s.19A period of service for Prime Minister to attain eligibility reduced from three years (1952) to two years. Additional retiring allowance for Prime Minister ranged from 2000 per annum for two years aggregate service to 3000 per annum for six years aggregate service and over. New benefit to widow of deceased Prime Minister: rate equalled one-half of the Prime Minister s retiring allowance per annum, payable until remarriage.

Tony Abbott became president September 18th, 2015. He's 4 days short.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

I haven't been following Aussie politics, only found out about this latest spill by chance; what was this new embarrassment Abbott and Dutton cooked up? Was it worse than rattling sabers at Indonesia for executing a bunch of aussies that the AFP delivered to them on a silver platter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpYe2ek8iFM

Dutton later apologised for standing under that microphone.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Okay so other than losing his job and hopefully his pension, what''s the funniest PM Tony moment? The knighthood is an obvious pick but I'm sure I'm overlooking something grand.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Anidav posted:

In Street Fighter 2 terms, if Abbott is M. Bison and Turnbull is Akuma then who is Bill Shorten?

Abbott is Dan, Turnbull is Sakura. Shorten can be the new arabic character with the DBZ scouter, I don't care.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Wat's the news24 link?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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I'm so ready for Tony's "concession""" speech,.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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prefect posted:

Do you guys make concession speeches for this kind of event?

Kevin Rudd did. He blubbered a lot and ended his speech with "I've gotta zip"

Expect about half an hour of this from Abbott:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amUNEsSdy_g

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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I hope Chris Uhlmann is deposed by a fatal blow to the head

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Seagull posted:

do we have the numbers

also lmao

54-44

70-30 for deputy (Julie Bishop vs Kevin Andrews pfffffffffffff)

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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xutech posted:

Who ACTUALLY PAYS these fuckers to come on the telly and mash poo poo into a blender.

It's the ABC, they settle for whoever puts their hand up.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Breetai posted:

Didn't it turn out that Tones was in private debt up to his ears and basically needed the full PM pension to survive financially? I seem to remember something like that being bandied about at the last spill.

The debt stuff was pretty old, I think. When he was in opposition he loudly complained about the smaller pay packet.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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"Turnbull called me a moron for 15 minutes" -Uhlmann

okay I've come around on this outcome

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Who the gently caress is this?

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Ferremit posted:

So the nats are exploding in a huge ball of rage about turnballs getting leadership and threatening that they wont "Rush into a new coalition agreement"

If that coalition fails and explodes, then the libs wont have the numbers for government, which means labour/greens could have the numbers.

So Short Bill could somehow pull a Steve Bradbury and become prime minister because everyone else in front of him hosed up?

They (the Nationals, but also everyone else) are simpering idiots and are completely full of poo poo.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

We're not getting anything from Abbott tonight are we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PLnInsh7E

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PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

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Holy poo poo that boltome just keeps going, doesn't it.

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