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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Emergency Abbott press conference incoming.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 03:21

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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Labors bank deposit tax is dead lmfao this was the reason ????

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 03:29

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

I feel like im watching a fat man drown on live tv.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2015 03:33

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Somebody else wrote a better thing on Abbotts Onions. It's a pub trick. It's a unpleasant thing that you can do because of much practice that demostrates how hard you are to the rest of the pub, like putting a cigarette out on your tongue. That's why he's out there skulling pints instead of asking for a white wine shandy, again.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 03:07

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has denied claims by a Western Australian shipping company that a senior Federal Government bureaucrat suggested it consider sacking its Australian workforce and replacing it with foreign labour, under a proposed Coalition overhaul of the shipping industry.

Mr Abbott said the allegations were "just not true" and his Government wants to "restore the situation which operated under the Howard government and end Labor's job-destroying, cost-inflating, coastal shipping regime".

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 03:13

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Anidav posted:

Lmao, Abbott is flying John Howard to Canning.

"Miss me yet?"

# ¿ Sep 2, 2015 07:24

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Senor Tron posted:

One interesting thing with Abbott is rumours that some Liberals seem to see the next election as so hopeless for them that they have effectively written off this term and don't want to switch Abbott out since doing so would reduce their ability to blame all the bad decisions on him next time around.

It really does have that 7th g w bush year feel.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 04:13

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/opinion/australias-brutal-treatment-of-migrants.html Read The drat Thing

quote:

Scores of people who have worked at the camp have become whistle-blowers. More than 40, including medical personnel and social workers, wrote a public letter to senior government officials in July saying they would rather risk arrest than stay quiet. “If we witness child abuse in Australia we are legally obliged to report it to child protection authorities,” they wrote. “If we witness child abuse in detention centers, we can go to prison for attempting to advocate for them effectively.”

Similarly, the people Abbott and crew say need our help in the form of bombs in syria are the same people we're murdering/raping/torturing on Nauru and nobody is drawing attention to that.

In unrelated news, the sas has just released an official documentary for no apparent reason.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/sas-film-gives-rare-glimpse-inside-elite-unit/67451304

# ¿ Sep 3, 2015 13:03

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

People are dying while trying to escape war zones because all the legitimate and non-insane methods have been removed. You think people are drowning, suffocating and liquidating family assests to pay for bribes just for fun? The way to stop people dying trying to sneak across borders for their life is to stop forcing them to sneak across borders.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 03:32

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Halo14 posted:

Yeah kid should have stayed at home so Asbestos Julie could bomb him directly.

Noice.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 03:34

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

I am more concerned about the actual people who exist getting hosed over by our policy right now than hypothetical naughty people who may exist in some possible future.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 03:46

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

And? Are you going somewhere with this?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 04:11

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Nobody has ever said that because that's silly. Allow people to apply through embassies, consulates and families, before or after arrival by plane or boat and every other way possible. Not throw them in concentration camps. Not pay people to take them away out of sight. Not pay through the nose for Cambodia to take 4. Not sink ships. Not torture children.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 04:34

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Lol negligent. :allears:

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 04:49

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Starshark posted:

I'm not with the Department of Immigration and BORDER PROTECTION but I assume there's a way because there's a bunch of people who were in that situation that use my library and my wife's library.

What about all the people who totally exist that will want to start a new life with nothing in a foreign country?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 05:04

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

A lot of places seem to be doing computerized last minute rostering now, why?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 06:34

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Anybody who thinks income redistribution in contemporary australian society has anything to do with envious poors sounds pretty dumb to me.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 08:48

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

It's not even christians first (because theyre the most needy) its christians only(because gently caress muslims).

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 08:56

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Frogmanv2 posted:

That's one thing I wish auspol would change.

It would serve the world much better if Devine, Jones, Haddley, Bolt and their ilk recanted and realised the error of their ways, and frankly it's a much better look to wish for that, rather than wishing for the death of people.

Seeing as neither is going to happen any time soon, why not wish for the one that doesn't make you look like a sociopath?

I bet you're a smash at parties.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2015 13:12

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Mithranderp posted:

Secret freeze on refugee citizenship process

Specifically, for boat arrivals

quote:

day before his ceremony, Rahim received a phone call. It was from the Immigration Department, telling him that his citizenship ceremony was cancelled for tomorrow. He was told he would receive another letter soon. He was given no explanation. All he could think was, “What wrongs have I done?” Ten months have passed and he has not received another letter. “When I call the department, they don’t give me any reason, just saying, ‘It’s under process – wait,’ ” he says. “I don’t know what the problem is. They don’t tell me what my crime is.”

Rahim is one of dozens of refugees with permanent residency who have told The Saturday Paper that their citizenship ceremonies were delayed or cancelled without explanation. One refugee whose ceremony was cancelled eight months ago said: “I got a text message and email [from the department] saying that my citizenship has been scheduled in error – please do not attend the ceremony as you won’t be given citizenship certificate.”

...

One Iranian refugee, who has been waiting for his citizenship ceremony since late 2013, says the department will only tell him his application is “under process”. The uncertainty leaves him tormented. “This has robbed me of my sleep at night. I can’t go to work some days. I am lost and don’t know what to do.” He worries about the partner he left in Iran three years ago. “My fiancée thinks I am a liar when I tell her, ‘I will come next week, I will come next month or next year.’ She does not believe me anymore. I fear I would lose her. The department should tell me, they give me [citizenship] or not, not put me in this uncertain situation indefinitely.”

David Manne, the director of the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre, says one refugee aided by his organisation has been waiting for more than two years to receive citizenship “The delay in the citizenship, despite having a legal entitlement to it, is quite inexplicable and unjustifiable.”

Heather Marr, a migration agent and refugee advocate in Western Australia, made a freedom of information application for one of her clients who had been waiting for his citizenship for nearly two years. “This [delay in citizenship] is part of a process, that the department and the minister revisit the decision to punish those who came by boat,” she says. “There is a sheer incompetence in his case officer’s part that could not read his file and a whole page was missing from his file when assessing his application for citizenship.”

The Saturday Paper spoke to another refugee who made his application for citizenship in June. The money for this application has been taken from his bank account, but he has heard nothing more. “They did not send me a confirmation letter that they have received my application.”

Abbott did say he would do it by hook or by crook.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2015 06:15

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

what the gently caress posted:

You watch way too much ABC

What does this even mean?

# ¿ Sep 5, 2015 23:55

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

norp posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/06/tony-abbott-says-australia-will-take-more-refugees-from-syria-and-iraq

What a loving joke.

I don't understand why they have to be so petty, taking a place off someone else isn't going to help the situation at all.

The LNP have made them queue jumpers.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2015 13:32

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

A refugee is an asylum haver, hth.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2015 04:35

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Why are people over analyzing this when the article spells out their reasoning for you? As if it wasn't self evident.

quote:

No more muslim men.

Birb Katter posted:

So the dump your Aussie workers and hire foreigners on the cheap thing Abbotts department told the cruise company owner that Abbott also emphatically denied, in a surprise twist it turns out Abbott was lying.

Lmfao what country is abbott the pm of again?

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 06:34

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Halo14 posted:

'Stop bombing, start resettling': Jeff Kennett's plea to 'failed' Federal Parliament

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...908-gjhi6h.html

A day where i agree with jeff kennett what is happening

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 08:03

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Jonah Galtberg posted:

I thought it was going to be horribly awkward clips from the hearing or something, not... that

# ¿ Sep 8, 2015 14:39

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Birb Katter posted:

AUSTRALIA will welcome a separate intake of potentially more than 10,000 stricken Syrian refugees because the Abbott government overwhelmingly believes it is the Australian way.

The intake could eclipse the 10,000 proposed by Labor.

10,001 is more than 10,000!

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 00:57

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Is there a good article or book about political language in Australia? Specifically when repetition became the norm? I want to say I noticed some under Howard, a little under Rudd/Gillard and now we have a PM that can't go a single loving interview without uttering one of his stupid D alliterations. I can only assume it's deliberate.

It's been said abbott writes his own speeches lmao.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 04:33

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Solemn Sloth posted:

Imagine a country that puts vulnerable children behind bars

So many things about this country on so many different scales absolutely loving disgust me

First i didnt say anything because im not a queue jumping illegal
Then i didnt say poo poo cause im not autistic

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 04:35

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

ewe2 posted:

Note the conspicuous lack of queue-jumpers at this time.

That's what they are of course, they've even taken somebody elses spot in our quota. :xcom:

# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 05:40

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

If the boats have stopped, who are we giving envelopes of cash too?

# ¿ Sep 10, 2015 01:12

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Our own border is inviolate, ofcourse, and much more important that the soft human bodies of those who would seek to penetrate her.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2015 03:02

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Starshark posted:

BIKE HELMETS

The rationale behind bicycle helmets, marijuana laws, film classifications and possibly even pool fences will be examined by the Senate starting today, as part of an inquiry into the Australian "nanny state".

The "personal choice and community impacts" inquiry, which was instigated by Liberal Democrat David Leyonhjelm, has attracted a wide array of submissions from people who feel the Government is intruding into their lives.

Raw milk enthusiasts want health laws wound back, paintball businesses would like fewer regulations governing their sport and convenience stores are demanding a greater say on issues like the sale of lottery tickets.

"What I want to do is go back to the way Australians used to be," Senator Leyonhjelm said.

"I want to change this culture that the government is there to protect us from poor choices."

The inquiry's priority will be bicycle helmets, alcohol laws, marijuana and tobacco sales and the classification of publications, films and computer games.

Pornography, cigarettes, marijuana - I don't know if you've been watching the Senate, but this is probably one of the more interesting debates.
Senator Sam Dastyari

In particular, Senator Leyonhjelm said he wanted to investigate whether alcohol lock-out laws in "Sydney's naughty suburb of Kings Cross" are actually working.

"Here we're a bunch of anal-retentives," he said.

"I'm the only parliamentarian in the Federal Parliament who calls for recreational marijuana use.

"Why do we insist the Government knows best when it comes to smoking dope?"

There will be a "catch-all hearing" at the end of the inquiry, where Senator Leyonhjelm expects "pressure" to examine the rationale behind pool fences, before a final report is issued in June next year.

"The argument [against pool fences] is parents are responsible for their children and the Government is taking that responsibility away from them," he said.
'One of the Senate's more interesting debates'

Up and coming Labor Senator Sam Dastyari has agreed to be the inquiry's deputy chair because he said it would "provoke a fascinating moral debate".

"This is probably going to be Australia's largest ever inquiry into vice," Senator Dastyari said.

He said the issues being examined range from "reasonable to ridiculous" but declared Australians who "hold majority views" should always be prepared to "justify the case for regulation".

"Pornography, cigarettes, marijuana - I don't know if you've been watching the Senate, but this is probably one of the more interesting debates," he said.
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"I'm really interested in the sale and service of alcohol. What are the economic and social consequences?"

Some of Senator Dastyari's colleagues believe he is simply supporting the inquiry to build a close relationship with Senator Leyonhjelm, a key crossbencher, in case Labor wins power at the next election.

"That's not the case. I won't agree with [Senator Leyonhjelm] on lots of things," he said.

"Ideology has just been dead in Australia for too long. Let's actually have some big debates, let's have some different views."

Cigarette companies have urged senators to recommend winding back tobacco regulation, while health groups have implored the public to take the inquiry seriously.

"Some might call it the 'nanny state' but all the health protections we've had in place for many, many years could go out the window if we're not careful," Michael Moore from the Public Health Association of Australia said.

Mr Moore will this morning urge the inquiry to "look very carefully at the independent evidence" before making any recommendations to change existing laws.

"This is an election bid for Senator Leyonhjelm, not a civil liberties one," Mr Moore said.

"By running these things like [the] nanny state or wanting more guns available, there is a small portion of people who will support him. That'll get him re-elected."

I've been saying for years we don't have enough backyard drownings these days.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 00:51

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

That's a hella cool story, laserface. It was really interesting and thought provoking.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 01:01

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

bunnyofdoom posted:

Dear Aus-Pol thread.

Please take back your lovely Consultant you sent to Canada's Conservative Party.

Thank You

CanPol.

Not until you take back the muppet working as WA treasurer, who I assume is canadian because of his hair and accent.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 01:02

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Laserface posted:

You are Correct! and I shouldnt have to look after anyone elses.

Same but for crumple zones.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 02:32

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Laserface posted:

And they can only get smarter by removing all aspects of danger from their lives.

Same but smoke alarms.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 02:33

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Is Cape Time what it sounds like? Because it sounds p racist.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2015 11:08

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

asio posted:

It's one of those things where you cant use it if you're white unless you aren't racist (evry white person is racist) so yea you're correct, its p racist

Birb Katter posted:

^^ Yeah, this should be the end of the company in a just world so they're probably going to be fine

Unrelated:

That's what I thought it was about. Seems like something that should have made more of a splash than it did, casual racism from our leaders.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2015 03:19

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 23:53

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

gay picnic defence posted:

They're just a country 'branded' Liberal Party. What they're 'about' is being the political equivalent of R.M. Williams mudflaps on a ute. They say they give a gently caress about farming, but their real audience are the angry, uneducated rednecks who live in country towns rather than the farmers themselves. To this end they don't need to actually do anything for country areas as long as they keep the talking points about guns, land clearing and tree huggers flowing. Rural populations are generally very conservative so they respond well to socially conservative talking points. Over time the Nationals have evolved to coexist with the Liberals and country people by bringing conservative talking points to the fore and putting real policy that benefits rural people on the back foot. The mistake people make is thinking the Nationals are there to advocate for rural Australia instead of just getting a few more seats for the Liberals.

Apart from the old guard, most farmers these days are quite gentrified and well educated; they know the importance of issues like the environment and climate change and don't tend to support trade liberalisation (although this depends a lot on if their produce is for local or export consumption).

The main sticking points stopping farmers joining the Greens in droves is their lack of flexibility with things like guns and land clearing. It is easy for city people to think a blanket ban on various types of weapons makes sense but to farmers they're tools with a specific purpose and farmers feel that restrictive firearm policies will make their already tough jobs even harder. Same deal with land clearing. Your typical modern farmer understands the importance of biodiversity (Integrated Pest Management is a course in every Ag Sci degree) and very few of them own large swathes of bush that could be converted to farmland. What gives them the shits is how much work it takes to get permission to remove a single tree or something that is in the way of a fence. There are other issues as well, but they also tend to boil down to Greens seeming to treat them as lifestyle issues rather than workplace issues.

Gun restrictions was the liberals baby though? I've heard poo poo about the greens being the reason people cant clear their land or backburn but I have never seen it backed up with any evidence. Anna henderson was using it to blame the recent victorican fires on them, again with no evidence.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2015 02:41

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