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Oberleutnant posted:Did I already say gently caress tories? Let me add to that chorus: quote:The European migration crisis will not be solved simply by Britain taking in more refugees, David Cameron has said in response to a call from the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, to take as many as 10,000. Hmmm, stabilize the entire Mid-East or act like a human being (and not like an outer-space lizard) and at least up the numbers due to the genuine war refugee crisis now unfolding? Welp, the answer is bombs.
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loving STABILISE YOU FOREIGN TWATS, HOW MANY BOMBS DO I NEED TO DROP ON YOU BEFORE YOU loving STABILISE. LET ME IMPROVE YOUR COUNTRY WITH THESE ANTI TANK MISSILES. LASER GUIDED STABILITY ON THE WAY! You know, I'm kind of thinking I'm glad the Tories aren't investing in British infrastructure, because I think that would just mean carpet bombing the place. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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^^ Hehe.OwlFancier posted:I think there's more stupid than cunts in the world, mind. Not by much, but somewhat. I think it's also that there's a thoroughly engrained capitalist mentality in the average non-unionised low wage worker. They work long hours, for low pay, can't strike and one of the few things they can take pride in is their dogged attendance at work and willingness to keep suffering through it. When they're trying to get to work and see a tube strike (for example), they look at workers who are paid better, who have more secure jobs and better pensions and equate the strike action with a lack of Getting On - a mixture of resentment and envy isn't surprising if that's your worldview. There's a complete lack of awareness that collective action could apply to them or is in any way a desirable thing - they think they're better than the strikers because they've never been on strike, as if it's a badge of pride. I don't know, maybe that's a parody, but the people I often hear speak most vociferously against striking down the pub (NB: not in the North) are those who would benefit most from unionising up, and I can't think of a different way to explain it. (I don't subscribe to the view that people are just evil, just short sighted.) Prince John fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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It is certainly easier to take personal pride in ability to work hard under duress, I mean, I do it myself. But it's no fun. Maybe it comes with age that you turn into some kind of weird masochist who gets turned on by the thought of working lovely hours for a lovely boss with a lovely company. There are plenty of Northerners who whinge about striking in my experience, but maybe we might have a slightly higher preponderance of actually well informed socialists. Being proud of not striking is sort of like being proud of your ability to demolish brick walls with your face, rather than using a sledgehammer like some kind of lazy fucker. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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OwlFancier posted:You know, I'm kind of thinking I'm glad the Tories aren't investing in British infrastructure, because I think that would just mean carpet bombing the place. Well some countries took a good bombing and got a free Marshall plan out of it so maybe it's worth a go?
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^^ Love it. OwlFancier posted:Being proud of not striking is sort of like being proud of your ability to demolish brick walls with your face, rather than using a sledgehammer like some kind of lazy fucker. I don't disagree - but do you think it's an accurate description of some people's worldview or am I pissing into the wind?
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Seems pretty accurate to me. Striking is not a physically demanding, or even necessarily emotionally demanding task, and it does seem superficially unfair when there are people without jobs at all. Unfortunately it is the only way anyone will get a decent job. When so many things are designed to make you thankful for any job, though, it's difficult to get that message through. It is important always to remember, that you are doing your employer a favour, and if you weren't, they wouldn't employ you. The favour is inherent in the conditions of your employment, it's called a profit margin.
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OwlFancier posted:It is important always to remember, that you are doing your employer a favour, and if you weren't, they wouldn't employ you. You do come out with some great pithy one-liners sometimes! 
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Its a very common worldview and its encouraged by the rich and right wingers at every opportunity. its also one of the major themes of ragged trousered philanthropists
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Prince John posted:You do come out with some great pithy one-liners sometimes! Can you guess which book series I read a lot of growing up and which I wrote lots about in the previous thread? I bet you can't.
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OwlFancier posted:Can you guess which book series I read a lot of growing up and which I wrote lots about in the previous thread? Is it Enid Blyton's Malory Towers series?
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Phoon posted:Its a very common worldview and its encouraged by the rich and right wingers at every opportunity. its also one of the major themes of ragged trousered philanthropists I think you misread him.
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OwlFancier posted:Can you guess which book series I read a lot of growing up and which I wrote lots about in the previous thread? Dirk Gently
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Junior G-man posted:Is it Enid Blyton's Malory Towers series? Snigger. I think I missed out not reading any Pratchett when I was a kid. 
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OwlFancier posted:I think there's more stupid than cunts in the world, mind. Not by much, but somewhat. I don't necessarily regard people who believe neo-liberal propaganda as actual neo-liberals though, because the propaganda and the beliefs aren't exactly congruent.
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Prince John posted:Snigger. First English language books I ever read. Borrowed them from a neighbour. Hell of a weird thing to read as a 10 year old.
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As a child I only read books with wizards
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I seem to remember reading a few Famous Five novels, dunno what Malory Towers is though. Also read probably the entire Redwall series, which I think means I have to end up incredibly racist and a furry.
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OwlFancier posted:I seem to remember reading a few Famous Five novels, dunno what Malory Towers is though. Girl boarding school stories with 1950's moral lessons. Also tame beyond belief; I dug them out a while back and tried to read them again. Not a good idea.
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Phoon posted:As a child I only read books with wizards And what books did the wizards read with you?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:And what books did the wizards read with you? 
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Junior G-man posted:Girl boarding school stories with 1950's moral lessons. Aww, I was thinking when you said "hell of a thing to read as 10 year old" and then opened with "girls boarding school" that we were in for some James Joyce's letters to his wife level of literary magnificence.
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Prince John posted:
Basically British people are some of the most envious, petty and worst informed human beings in the developed world We also have a deep hostility to the idea of having principles or standing up for anything (that isn't our own racial superiority/national interest). I speak four languages and ours is the only one where I've seen stupid phrases like 'worthy' which are specifically designed to criticise people attempting to do a good thing. For example: my friend announced that Corbyn was 'a selfish arsehole' because he divorced his wife over the fact that she sent their kids to public school. I pointed out she'd be calling him a 'hypocrite' if he'd gone along with that and she said he's a hypocrite anyway because he's paying alimony and that's being used by the wife for the school fees (yeah, but against his will. wtf bitch?). It's this combination of hatred and willful ignorance/irrationality when discussing politics that I've never really encountered in any other country I've been to. What's the alternative to being 'worthy' or striking, or putting other people ahead of your family? Do we want to be Italy or some loving petrostate where everyone 'looks after their own' at the expense of society? Because I feel like that's what we're moving toward.
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OwlFancier posted:Also read probably the entire Redwall series, which I think means I have to end up incredibly racist and a furry. Worth it for the descriptions of food.
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sebzilla posted:Worth it for the descriptions of food. Yesssss. Good god that man liked his food. Pages and pages of food pornography. I have literally read porno novels which devoted less care and time to the loving than Brian Jacques put into his writing about food.
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Junior G-man posted:First English language books I ever read. Borrowed them from a neighbour. Yeah, I laughed, but I read them for some random reason when I was a kid too. Thanks for the warning though - I was idly contemplating that a few months ago. I picked up The Faraway Tree series randomly a while back, and was pretty miffed to find out that it's been politically correctified - I almost wrote an outraged Daily Mail article right there. The censors shouldn't be allowed to touch national treasures.
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OwlFancier posted:Aww, I was thinking when you said "hell of a thing to read as 10 year old" and then opened with "girls boarding school" that we were in for some James Joyce's letters to his wife level of literary magnificence. Would but that it were. Those are magnificent. Although, on re-reading there's two 'tom-boys' who do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time together while trying to hide from the teachers. But that might be reading wayy too much into Enid Blyton.
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lmaoboy1998 posted:Basically British people are some of the most envious, petty and worst informed human beings in the developed world Sever. At the neck. Much the same as with unions, people start out with a preconceived notion and pick arguments to support it. Both options lead to the same conclusion because everything leads to that conclusion. Post hoc rationalization ho!
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Junior G-man posted:Would but that it were. Those are magnificent. I can't remember very much so I might be wrong but George from my memory reads like a bizzarely realistic and non-unpleasant take on transgenderedness for a book of that age. Though I seem to recall there was a weird "famous five as adults" book where she ends up married with kids or something so maybe not.
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Junior G-man posted:Although, on re-reading there's two 'tom-boys' who do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time together while trying to hide from the teachers. But that might be reading wayy too much into Enid Blyton. Edit: ^^Yeah, George reads like a trans boy, although I think she's meant to be read as a tomboy rather than someone with gender dysphoria. For what it's worth George was the author insert character. There have been a couple of spinoffs of the Five as adults (parodies), but I don't think Blyton ever wrote them as such. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 2, 2015 |
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Kegluneq posted:You have read Famous Five, right? Weirdly, no I haven't. My sister was into those but it never convinced me. Although, to my odd satisfaction, my neighbour only had 1-4 and 6, so when I finally found 5 somewhere when I was like 17 it was a treat to read the missing bit. Although you do read it in a very, very different way by then.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:And what books did the wizards read with you? I hope there is a charity somewhere where wizards teach disadvantaged children to read
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Phoon posted:I hope there is a charity somewhere where wizards teach disadvantaged children to read It's a full basic curriculum programme, they share lesson time with some mathemagicians
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lmaoboy1998 posted:Basically British people are some of the most envious, petty and worst informed human beings in the developed world Going back to Pratchett, he had a great quote summing up the British character - easily on display in letters to the editor - as being animated by a "hair-trigger fear that someone somewhere might be getting more than their fair share."
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There comes a tipping point where strikes are less about workers heroically struggling for their rights and more about, a lmaoboy puts it, looking after their own at the expense of society and self-aggrandising when they already have got improved deals. This is why the Masses will never have class solidarity with a Tube strike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UymKurTBdhw
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freebooter posted:Going back to Pratchett, he had a great quote summing up the British character - easily on display in letters to the editor - as being animated by a "hair-trigger fear that someone somewhere might be getting more than their fair share." But we are not a nation of socialists??
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OwlFancier posted:But we are not a nation of socialists?? No we are a nation of hard-working families and scroungers.
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kapparomeo posted:There comes a tipping point where strikes are less about workers heroically struggling for their rights and more about, a lmaoboy puts it, looking after their own at the expense of society and self-aggrandising when they already have got improved deals. You know that's not why they're striking
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freebooter posted:Going back to Pratchett, he had a great quote summing up the British character - easily on display in letters to the editor - as being animated by a "hair-trigger fear that someone somewhere might be getting more than their fair share." If you're an immigrant and you're begging on the streets, you need to be shot, then sent back home, then shot again. If you're an immigrant who establishes a chain of successful restaurants and profit wildly from underpaying your workers, you're all right for one of them. See also: Being on benefits vs. being on the board of somewhere that gets inflated government contracts because of your friends. lmaoboy1998 posted:Basically British people are some of the most envious, petty and worst informed human beings in the developed world
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