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Could we accept a huge number of migrants, but sterilize the Muslims? This would allay the fears of WorldsStrongestNerd et al (who form a good percentage of the population) by preventing them altering the demographics of the host country in the long-term. What's worse - dying horribly in a warzone or living a long, peaceful, childfree life in a first world country? A possibly more humane alternative is to use some kind of implanted contraception so it could be reversed later, such as when they return on their host country or renounce their faith. Another advantage is it would discourage the economic migrants. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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tumblr.txt posted:Could we accept a huge number of migrants, but sterilize the Muslims? This would allay the fears of WorldsStrongestNerd et al (who form a good percentage of the population) by preventing them altering the demographics of the host country in the long-term. here's a great humane policy: eugenics and forced sterilization
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Sep 5, 2015 00:57
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Rincewind posted:here's a great humane policy: eugenics and forced sterilization I really, really hope it's a case of Poe's law.
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http://www.conservativehome.com/the...n-solve-it.html I'm curious what people think of this article. It seems like it does a good job of presenting the 'right wing' side. While I don't really agree with the conclusions there are good points in there especially about the difficulty of differentiating asylum seekers/refugees from economic migrants.
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Sep 5, 2015 00:58
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Chomskyan posted:As an American, the US has a horrible immigration policy and absolutely should absolutely accept more refugees. That said I don't think I implied that we were blameless at all. To clarify, I think the UK's refugee policy is very bad. We get a lot of heat for that, and so we should. I'm not arguing for lessening the pressure on the UK at all, if anything it should be heightened. We need to take more refugees. That said, it's literally unbelievable to me that the richest country in the world, and one of the most populous, accepted ~121~ Syrian refugees between 2011 and the start of 2014, so we've got to see a little more pressure there as well. Is the American media discussing this problem at all? I watch a few American poltiics shows regularly and it really doesn't seem to be a hot topic of discussion.
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Sep 5, 2015 00:59
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at your naked attempt to distract from the moral failings of your own government by turning the discussion to US policy.
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You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone? Also I am an Australian, and we successfully "Stopped the Boats". I can share more about our solution if you like?
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tumblr.txt posted:You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone? Well, hell, torturing someone to within an inch of their life isn't worse than dying, let's just stuff red-hot iron bars up the asses of prospective refugees. Tough times call for tough decisions.
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Sep 5, 2015 01:01
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tumblr.txt posted:You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone? Forced sterilization is a crime against humanity. Fullstop.
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Sep 5, 2015 01:01
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lmaoboy1998 posted:121 Syrian refugees in 2014. I accept that there's only a thin sliver of coast where brown people can actually live without fear of persecution but really, you guys are letting the side down. Why should a country a thousand miles further away across an ocean take them in, instead of the even larger, just as wealthy region a thousand miles closer, not across an ocean? Like just from a logistical perspective this is a baffling complaint
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tumblr.txt posted:You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone? I think Europe has plenty of experience with concentration camps, actually.
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tumblr.txt posted:You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone? We could just increase their standards of living until they play MMORPGs all day. Birthrate powerbomb
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Sep 5, 2015 01:05
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my dad posted:Forced sterilization is a crime against humanity. Fullstop. It seems to me the only other way is to ensure they are widely dispersed to prevent enclaves forming. Maybe restrict freedom-of-travel for 5 years or so, and instantly deport anyone accused of rape etc.
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tumblr.txt posted:You didn't answer my question. Is being unable to have any more kids worse than drowning or being shot in a warzone?
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XMNN posted:Yeah, the Australian system is really disgusting, maybe you could enlighten people on why we shouldn't be looking at prison islands as something to aspire to. Without giving too much away, don't pay the Cambodians up-front for starters 
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tumblr.txt posted:Hypothetically, if one wished to help a huge group of people, but didn't want parts of their culture to propagate (lack of respect for Women etc) and harm the host country - how would you do it? You could just try to integrate them instead of treating them like a cancer that needs to be excised from your society.
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I think the United States should accept refugees in a large number.
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Nonsense posted:I think the United States should accept refugees in a large number. same op
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Welcome to the United States! As you are a refugee from a war zone, you have now been granted   FULL CITIZENSHIP. Here is your driver's license. Here is your free access to public health clinics. Here is your library card. Here are some GROCERIES. Here is a bicycle, and a Crown Victoria and an iphone 3GS with uber already on it, now get into the arena with the rest of us gladiators, and just hope you don't get a workplace injury.All of you, refugees from war, are welcome.
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Sep 5, 2015 01:23
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lmaoboy1998 posted:I don't think I implied that we were blameless at all. To clarify, I think the UK's refugee policy is very bad. We get a lot of heat for that, and so we should. I'm not arguing for lessening the pressure on the UK at all, if anything it should be heightened. We need to take more refugees. nationalist propaganda radio frames this as an exclusively european problem while highlighting eu member state  financial troubles to remind us that while it's tragic that Kids Dead and slash or Public Official Racist it's just an unavoidable natural tragedy like an earthquake or bombing a wedding because as everyone knows running a nation-state is exactly like running a businesshouse and sometimes you have to meanwhile, mexicans
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icantfindaname posted:Why should a country a thousand miles further away across an ocean take them in, instead of the even larger, just as wealthy region a thousand miles closer, not across an ocean? Like just from a logistical perspective this is a baffling complaint Well for one, the US had a direct hand in creating the refugee crisis through its military action across the middle east.
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Sedanchair, are you proposing to take people who may not know how to drive and give them driver's licenses without proof of ability? That aside it's a wonderful dream but will never ever happen in today's political climate. We may as well wish for everyone to stop fighting and just get along. I propose an alternate solution: Accept 10x the current migrant intake, give them all the support they need, but Women and Children under 10 Only. It worked then and it could work now.
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Sep 5, 2015 01:27
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Chomskyan posted:Well for one, the US had a direct hand in creating the refugee crisis through its military action across the middle east. but the whole point of the eurozone is to shield us from the consequences of that
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my dad posted:As loathe as I am to say something like this, a friend of mine spent two months in a primarily immigrant Muslim town in Sweden, and her experiences were a horrifying cocktail of misogyny (up to an including rape and death threats), from men and women alike (including a little girl screaming at her that she's a vile person for watching cartoons instead of having children). How do you prevent the creation of insular, toxic communities like that one without loving over desperate people fleeing a horrible place? Integration. Bombard people everyday with dissenting viewpoints. Expose them constantly to ideas other than the ones they already have. Require them to mix with other people in order to get the things they want. Show them why they should want the things that require integration to acquire. Exactly the same way everyone else learns to integrate into society, a combination of pressure from their peers, material incentives for compliance, and a lack of viable alternatives.
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icantfindaname posted:Why should a country a thousand miles further away across an ocean take them in, instead of the even larger, just as wealthy region a thousand miles closer, not across an ocean? Like just from a logistical perspective this is a baffling complaint A ticket to the US costs less than what these people are paying to get to Europe. If your asylum quotas for Syria were wider there would be no shortage of applications for refuguees wishing to immigrate to the US legally and pay their own flight, so the ocean wouldn't make a huge difference to the 'logistics' of anything. Both regions are trying to limit their exposure to the refugee crisis by refusing to accept a sensible number of asylum applications - for the EU this is a completely futile tactic because they can just move here illegally, for the US it is a very successful one because they can't. I fail to see how the same cynical tactic becomes more morally acceptable in the American case simply because geography had made it more effective.
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Fun fact: The US contributions to the UNHCR since the Arab Spring are less than the annual military funding provided to Israel.
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tumblr.txt posted:I propose an alternate solution: Accept 10x the current migrant intake, give them all the support they need, but Women and Children under 10 Only. It worked then and it could work now. I don't know, your plans have a pretty bad track record.
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XMNN posted:Yeah, the Australian system is really disgusting, maybe you could enlighten people on why we shouldn't be looking at prison islands as something to aspire to. 
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It's fascinating how people obsessed with the preservation of culture are convinced that it's a glass menagerie. If we have too many Muslims in the country at one time, Shakespeare will just poof out of existence.
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Nonsense posted:I think the United States should accept refugees in a large number. Sure, we'll accept any that get here.
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Chomskyan posted:Well for one, the US had a direct hand in creating the refugee crisis through its military action across the middle east. And its military inaction, given 10 million people fled Syria before ISIS was prominent. No corner of the country was safe for IDP's thanks to a systematic bombing campaign by the regime on residential areas. A NFZ would have been a huge asset in limiting the scale of this crisis, and many, many refugees still advocate for one today. It isn't just republicans that have to wear this.
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Effectronica posted:It's fascinating how people obsessed with the preservation of culture are convinced that it's a glass menagerie. If we have too many Muslims in the country at one time, Shakespeare will just poof out of existence. It's also fascinating that the same mindset that people would've thought would be laughed at as outmoded is still good and fresh in this day and age. All you have to do is replace the word 'muslim/arab' with 'Irish/Chinese/Black/Jew/Asian/jew' and you have the exact same outmoded thought as before, it's really interesting how many Europeans cant quite comprehend how much the US had to deal with the troubles with it's own large immigrant populations, but stuck it out, dealt with it (with some awful poo poo done to the immigrants along the way) america had poo poo TONS of constant problems with immigrants and new challenges with each new wave of different nationalities, but they put effort into integrating them, and in the end benefitted exponentially from people who at one point were thought of as too 'alien' and 'different'. Entire cornerstones of what America is today and it's power comes from those immigrants who fled poo poo situations. I think it has to do with the same type of 'yellow horde' propaganda that they're subjected to about arabs and muslims, and when you don't actively seek out knowledge and find facts it's easy to buy into cartoonish thinking about people. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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tumblr.txt posted:Sedanchair, are you proposing to take people who may not know how to drive and give them driver's licenses without proof of ability? Yes let's keep the military-age males in the middle of history's greatest jihad cauldron, ostracized from their families.
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Volkerball posted:And its military inaction, given 10 million people fled Syria before ISIS was prominent. No corner of the country was safe for IDP's thanks to a systematic bombing campaign by the regime on residential areas. A NFZ would have been a huge asset in limiting the scale of this crisis, and many, many refugees still advocate for one today. It isn't just republicans that have to wear this. yes inaction that's the ticket
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SedanChair posted:Yes let's keep the military-age males in the middle of history's greatest jihad cauldron, ostracized from their families.
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Volkerball posted:And its military inaction, given 10 million people fled Syria before ISIS was prominent. No corner of the country was safe for IDP's thanks to a systematic bombing campaign by the regime on residential areas. A NFZ would have been a huge asset in limiting the scale of this crisis, and many, many refugees still advocate for one today. It isn't just republicans that have to wear this. Not really. While in theory, a no fly zone could be positive for Syria, historically such actions tend escalate into bids at regime change (see: Libya) which would almost certainly destabilize the country further.
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tumblr.txt posted:Away from their families, on the opposite side of the world to the host country. Exactly. I'm glad you've chosen to socially engineer refugees for fear of their communities becoming "toxic." That's certainly the place to begin such activities, with refugees from war.
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Sep 5, 2015 02:14
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Rincewind posted:here's a great humane policy: eugenics and forced sterilization Yes. The human population should be culled to 2 billion, tops. All males should have vas deferens valves implanted and couples must be licensed before they can procreate. All crises today can be attributed to too many humans.
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Sep 5, 2015 02:14
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Chomskyan posted:Not really. While in theory, a no fly zone could be positive for Syria, historically such actions tend escalate into bids at regime change (see: Libya) which would almost certainly destabilize the country further. The US had a NFZ in Iraq for a decade prior to Iraq and all it did was prevent a second al-Anfal campaign, but feel free to try and explain to a Syrian who's family was killed by a barrel bomb that we can't stop the regime from dropping them indiscriminately because that's a gateway bomb. In news: quote:Leaders in Austria and Germany have agreed to take in migrants from troubled Hungary who approach their border, the Austrian chancellor said. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/04/austria-germany-agree-take-migrants-hungary/71731476/ 
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SedanChair posted:I'm glad you've chosen to socially engineer refugees for fear of their communities becoming "toxic." That's certainly the place to begin such activities, with refugees from war. Call it what you will, but I honestly believe it could be sold to first-world countries. We could save a given number Men, Women and Children, or 10 times that many Women and Children. There is no point discussing solutions that are politically impossible.
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