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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Letting people die, starve and rot in countries that are wartorn or fall victim to a disaster isn't cool at all, but I think it's worth acknowledging that it's not as easy as 'just letting refugees in'. By virtue of existing, everyone takes a toll on the land, the infrastructure, and the resources a given land has. Finding the room and resources for almost a million more people who are unfamiliar with your culture, your rules, your expectations -- this is hard to do, and expensive to do. If the last half a decade is any indicator, people seem to be less concerned about the economic impact and much more concerned about the cultural impact. The EU countries are wealthy and large enough that they could literally take in the entire populations of Iraq and Syria combined and feed them all relatively easily. Remember literally 25% of the people living in the borders of Lebanon as of 2015 are refugees. The EU, even excluding all former eastern bloc countries plus Greece and Portugal, still have 380 million people and could take all 50 million Iraqis and Syrians without reaching half that figure icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sharkie posted:What viewpoints other than the humanitarian should we be using to look at this problem? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 03:51
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Kaal posted:Also Lebanon's refugee population mostly lives in UN aid camps that are run by gangs and look like this: Dang, those tents look pretty lovely. I'm sure they'd all prefer a watery grave at the bottom of the Mediterranean, or life in an ISIS rape camp
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Sep 4, 2015 07:24
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TBQH I'm not convinced this whole Syrian Civil War thing isn't just a sham put on by those dastardly Arabs to infiltrate Europe and pollute our pure culture
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Sep 4, 2015 07:36
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Teddles posted:I think that Europe would be a lot more willing to accept lots of refugees if other countries around the world besides those near Syria (the Gulf States for example) were making an effort to accept refugees. As it is, while a photo of a drowned child might create some sympathy for a week, in the long run it doesn't do much more than play into the anti-immigrant crowd. What other countries around the world are there? The EU comprises literally over half of the total population and GDP of the developed world. Who else is supposed to take them? Australia? Japan? The US? This would be like if a homeless, starving person asked me for food and I got pissy because lots of other people don't give homeless people food, but also I owned over half the wealth in the entire world
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Sep 4, 2015 08:49
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It's pretty surreal as an American to see educated, nominally liberal first worlders basically argue for white supremacist immigration policy One of the cool things about liberalism as an ideology is that it can tolerate individuals who don't agree with each other, on things like religion, social values, etc. It shouldn't be surprising, then, that the people bitching about the drat Muslims not sharing our values don't actually believe in liberalism icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Sep 4, 2015 22:59
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Dmitri-9 posted:Maybe because the experiment has already happened and importing muslims from third world countries causes disorder, riots, rapes and violent culture clashes. Is it a liberal value to tolerate women being treated worse than animals? The correct terminology is "urban ferals stealing our white women" As in all things, Europe is decades behind the times on this
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Sep 5, 2015 00:33
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lmaoboy1998 posted:121 Syrian refugees in 2014. I accept that there's only a thin sliver of coast where brown people can actually live without fear of persecution but really, you guys are letting the side down. Why should a country a thousand miles further away across an ocean take them in, instead of the even larger, just as wealthy region a thousand miles closer, not across an ocean? Like just from a logistical perspective this is a baffling complaint
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Sep 5, 2015 01:03
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Seeing countries that are a hair-length away from electing actual neo-fascist parties to government in reaction to 10% of their population now being ethnic minorities, criticizing the United States for racism, is one of the best things. Irony is dead, and we're currently beating its corpse with lead pipes and kicking the poo poo out of it
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Sep 5, 2015 21:08
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Baron FU posted:Shut the hell up. These things happen, especially in low income areas where extremism thrives. You are in no position to question how a working class/poor southern white feels or their experiences regarding the blacks or Mexican immigrants.
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Sep 5, 2015 21:09
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lmaoboy1998 posted:Haha, 'our' disaster? I reckon your inability to keep your dick out of the Middle East might have played a small role in it mate. Unbelievable. I mean if you don't give a poo poo about the refugees and don't want them in your country say so, but don't do this thing where you point at the US and scream about it as if it has anything to do with that country and not Europe
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Sep 6, 2015 03:34
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chessmaster13 posted:Money is not the problem you say? Does this money come from thin air? literally MY TAX DOLLARS. glad to see european political economy progress to 1968. welcome to the future
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Sep 14, 2015 17:28
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Smudgie Buggler posted:What's the counterpoint, though? That countries are actually endowed with infinite resources or something? They're endowed with enough resources to easily accomodate all the immigrants they are facing. Even more so because those immigrants themselves are in fact resources which contribute to the economy of their new countries
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Sep 14, 2015 18:04
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Jagchosis posted:Whatever may be done to guard against interruptions of supply and to develop domestic alternatives, the U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. That fact gives the U.S. enhanced interest in the political, economic, and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population pressures through reduced birth rates can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resource supplies and to the economic interests of the United States. MIGF, is that you?
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Eventually I'm sure the average third worlder will have so many poisonous metals in their bodies we can just harvest them directly from the surplus population. Win-win IMO
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