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Lots of people on the forums say The United States of America deserved the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001. Why do you hold such convictions if you believe we deserved it? I personally believe America is pretty great, don't know why anyone would have beef with us.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:20 |
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 06:30 |
might have something to do with the CIA and NSA and other three letter agencies finding plenty of reason to think the attacks were coming beforehand and nobody with any power actually doing anything also maybe constantly meddling with the middle east with only the interests of america in mind and no concern for whether the guys we put in charge were total assholes or not plus no concern for how much anyone liked us in the event the guys we installed got fatal cases of lead poisoning wasn't a good idea either e: oh yeah and it also didn't help that the other guys we helped get into power decided we were fuckwads who only helped them because they were opposing guys they didn't like and made the smart decision to start trying to gently caress with us before we began loving with them
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:24 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:24 |
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deserve is the wrong word and a stupid concept to apply to 9/11
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:25 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggUXa2UVNYc
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:28 |
mdm posted:deserve is the wrong word and a stupid concept to apply to 9/11 indeed it is but my post above is just an explanation of the logic behind the sentiment, us foreign policy in the middle east is full of idiotic blunders that are quite understandable as to why those who took the blunt of the fallout would be pissed enough to want revenge
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:29 |
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Those bankers deserved it for sure.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:29 |
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Look at the history of American involvement in the Middle East. And no, America didn't deserve the attack, but some say that American involvement in the Middle East provoked what happened. The United States deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mossadegh, and installed Reza Pahlavi in his place. America supported Israel as a client state in the region while making oil deals with the Saudis. Did modern terrorism start with the insurgency groups in Europe that collaborated with the PFLP, who later killed athletes during the so-called Black September murders at the Olympics? That's when "terrorism" came to public notice. Israel is a hot-button issue. There are Israelis who don't approve and protest actions the actions of the Israeli goverment, which slaughtered, tortured and walled off the Palestian Arabs, who are only nominally first-class citizens in the Israeli state. Of course, the Arabs are far more virtuous in their killings and torture, as are all the nations that use it. We don't. Think of Gitmo and the secret CIA prisons as a necessary to defend the country against the terrists. Oh yeah, and America armed itself to the teeth and has continued arming itself steadily in the post-war era. Some claim that this is as much to defend the state from any chances of an American insurgency as to have as much geopolitical influence as possible. This is easy to dismiss, just accuse anyone who points this out of disloyalty, or ask them why they hate America, or both.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:30 |
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because you touch yourself at night, OP
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:30 |
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because seven ate 9/11
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:32 |
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TwoFire posted:because you touch yourself at night, OP Usually do it during the day, but ok fair point. So far the consensus is we didn't deserve it? Bunch of jokester goons need to get with the program then.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:34 |
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white people
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:34 |
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Bad Titty Puker posted:Look at the history of American involvement in the Middle East. And no, America didn't deserve the attack, but some say that American involvement in the Middle East provoked what happened. Don't forget getting involved in Afganistan after the soviets invaded. The CIA for example gave all the weapons and support to Pakistan's ISI's gestapo, which then made sure the worst fundie groups got the most support. US foreign policy is basically a string of long term blowback effects
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:37 |
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Bad Titty Puker posted:The United States deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mossadegh, and installed Reza Pahlavi in his place. Reza Pahlavi > Ruhollah Khomeini
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:39 |
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You Americans didn't deserve 9/11 but you do deserve Presidente Trump
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:39 |
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Boy Bands. Boy Bands are why we deserved 9/11.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:41 |
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People who say that usually are just projecting their self hatred, op
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:41 |
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Immortan posted:Reza Pahlavi > Ruhollah Khomeini Yeah, two wrongs make a right if one wrong is less wrong than the other.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:41 |
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Bad Titty Puker posted:Yeah, two wrongs make a right if one wrong is less wrong than the other. The Shaw was preferable to the Ayatollah.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:43 |
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Smelly Bohemian posted:Boy Bands. Boy Bands are why we deserved 9/11. but timberlake is still popular and not dead
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:44 |
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In addition to us getting involved and choosing arbitrary terrorists to back, let's not forget the British who basically drew lines on a map after WW1 when the Ottoman Empire fell and invented some countries, putting people in power who had no business ruling over their respective regions. We can cry boo about the middle east all we want and talk poo poo about arabs, muslims, and persians, but all of it... ALL OF IT... is our fault. All of it. UK and US citizens may not have deserved it, but the same cannot be said about both governments. Edit: oh and add insult to injury the western powers create Israel further alienating the arabs. Look at Jerusalem in before WW2 and look at it now. It used to be a city where 3 religions actually lived together and respected each other. Now it looks like a loving military base. gently caress Israel. gently caress the UK. And gently caress you. Shadow fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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Shadow posted:In addition to us getting involved and choosing arbitrary terrorists to back, let's not forget the British who basically drew lines on a map after WW1 when the Ottoman Empire fell and invented some countries, putting people in power who had no business ruling over their respective regions. Yeah, well, they wouldn't exist if we didn't want them to. We can nuke them at anytime . . .
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:46 |
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The Iran thing is funny since the Brits used the americans as a catspaw. They got made over how the government of Iran nationalized the energy industry and pissed off companies like BP.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:46 |
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etalian posted:Don't forget getting involved in Afganistan after the soviets invaded. The CIA for example gave all the weapons and support to Pakistan's ISI's gestapo, which then made sure the worst fundie groups got the most support. America armed the Mujahideen, one of their commanders was Osama Bin Laden. After the collapse of the Afghan communist government the Mujahideen became the Taliban, who sheltered Bin Laden's new group, Al Qaeda. But at least Reagan stuck it to the Soviets.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:46 |
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Whiskey Sours posted:America armed the Mujahideen, one of their commanders was Osama Bin Laden. After the collapse of the Afghan communist government the Mujahideen became the Taliban, who sheltered Bin Laden's new group, Al Qaeda. short term gain for long term loss
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:47 |
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Shadow posted:In addition to us getting involved and choosing arbitrary terrorists to back, let's not forget the British who basically drew lines on a map after WW1 when the Ottoman Empire fell and invented some countries, putting people in power who had no business ruling over their respective regions. I learned today that this actually isn't true. They drew those lines on the map in 1916. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:48 |
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Whiskey Sours posted:I learned today that this actually isn't true. They drew those lines on the map in 1916. Edit: ok, so I said after WW1. Drawing the lines may have happened a few years before the war ended, but... we didn't win yet so it was just fantasy.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:52 |
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Because Big Dogs said so.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:53 |
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They're just typical millennials, OP. They think they deserve everything.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:54 |
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maybe Bin Laden ordered the attack since he knew it would inspire lots of funny gifs and photoshops?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:55 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:
Gonna have to think about this, hmm.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:55 |
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Immortan posted:The Shaw was preferable to the Ayatollah. that was never the question, the question was whether a shah was preferable to a democratic government on the verge of nationalizing oil in the 50s we failed that question
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:56 |
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TED SHAW DID NOTHING WRONG!
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:57 |
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etalian posted:maybe Bin Laden ordered the attack since he knew it would inspire lots of funny gifs and photoshops? hosed up if true We really need to let ISIS crack the eggs to make the omelette. Let the Saudis deal with it. And the mighty Israelis who love flexing muscles at civilians (and children). mdm posted:that was never the question, the question was whether a shah was preferable to a democratic government on the verge of nationalizing oil in the 50s Shadow fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Sep 4, 2015 |
# ? Sep 4, 2015 05:58 |
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Shadow posted:hosed up if true How to solve the ISIS Crisis: a) Tell Israel, Turkey, Iran and Jordan that any territory they can control becomes theirs b) Nuke Riyadh
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:01 |
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Whiskey Sours posted:How to solve the ISIS Crisis: Fixed. I like b but let's be reasonable
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:04 |
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imo the people who hijacked airplanes and flew them into towers are responsible
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:08 |
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Fojar38 posted:imo the people who hijacked airplanes and flew them into towers are responsible whoa controversial opinions itt personally i think that obama was responsible imo
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:11 |
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Fojar38 posted:imo the people who hijacked airplanes and flew them into towers are responsible Death to those who ridicule Islam (the peaceful religion)!
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:11 |
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 06:30 |
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Fojar38 posted:imo the people who hijacked airplanes and flew them into towers are responsible Why did they think they had to do that?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 06:13 |