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I would say that is a good assessment OP. Gibson might be ok, but neuromancer was kind of a one hit wonder situatuation and even then it doesn't stand up to Dick at his weakest and in no way even approaches Asimov. Stephenson is trash start to finish. Snow Crash was so bad I actually felt offended like he was insulting me by writing it.
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Sep 7, 2015 14:06
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Rick and Morty is good sci fi.
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Sep 7, 2015 14:08
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might i recommend a song of blind and sight by pete r.r. watts?
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Sep 7, 2015 14:24
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you cant make good sci-fi any more because no writter knows how to deal with advanced computers/AI properly, and that is so obviously going to be our future. it has become almost impossible to speculate about what the future will be, it won't just be faster rockets and bigger tomatoes any more
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Sep 7, 2015 14:28
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Rutibex posted:you cant make good sci-fi any more because no writter knows how to deal with advanced computers/AI properly, and that is so obviously going to be our future. it has become almost impossible to speculate about what the future will be, it won't just be faster rockets and bigger tomatoes any more You could, but that would require actually studying the subject in detail and genre writers are usually lazy as poo poo and never do any research.
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Sep 7, 2015 14:30
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Logan's Run owns
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Sep 7, 2015 14:38
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Iain M Banks was pretty good. Humans are dumb and slow and almost totally irrelevant in the Culture so the only human-centered action in the books is about dealing with primitive or technophobe cultures while the Minds take care of everything important. The average culture citizen is a complete goonlord who just fucks and plays video games and smokes space weed all day.
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Sep 7, 2015 14:39
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NPR wouldn't shut the gently caress up about sci-fi for like a week, I guess the genre had its own little gamergate thing happen and it was retarded
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Sep 7, 2015 14:40
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Rutibex posted:you cant make good sci-fi any more because no writter knows how to deal with advanced computers/AI properly, and that is so obviously going to be our future. it has become almost impossible to speculate about what the future will be, it won't just be faster rockets and bigger tomatoes any more Accelerando by Charles Stross is kinda bad but at least an interesting look at how the technological singularity could perhaps work. Also neuromancer and it's sequels are the last sci fi books that really gripped me. What are some good sci fi books to read I've read like almost all the big ones.
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Sep 7, 2015 14:42
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Aniara, if you can get it you'll be the most cultured nerd at the convention
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Sep 7, 2015 14:48
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Scalzi's Old Man's War was good.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:18
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Rutibex posted:you cant make good sci-fi any more because no writter knows how to deal with advanced computers/AI properly, and that is so obviously going to be our future. Philip K Dick wrote New Science Fiction, but that was because he was loving mental and took a lot of drugs. His stuff is also not actually very fun to read because the dialogue is utter trash due to his dislocation from normal people. His stuff makes for great films by more grounded screenwriters, though, because he envisioned some interesting worlds and talked about some interesting concepts.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:29
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Rutibex posted:you cant make good sci-fi any more because no writter knows how to deal with advanced computers/AI properly, and that is so obviously going to be our future. it has become almost impossible to speculate about what the future will be, it won't just be faster rockets and bigger tomatoes any more Um, have you ever read the Culture series by Iain M. Banks? He knocks that poo poo out of the park. So good. Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Iain M Banks was pretty good. Humans are dumb and slow and almost totally irrelevant in the Culture so the only human-centered action in the books is about dealing with primitive or technophobe cultures while the Minds take care of everything important. The average culture citizen is a complete goonlord who just fucks and plays video games and smokes space weed all day. How the gently caress did you beat me to that? But yeah, this guy knows what is up.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:42
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I grew up reading my dad's old books. Heinlein, Niven, Zelazny, Dickinson, Vinge, -- I could go on forever, those guys were great.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:49
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Pohl posted:Um, have you ever read the Culture series by Iain M. Banks? He knocks that poo poo out of the park. So good. yeah but once you get to the point where humans are just the pets of god-like AIs you may as well be writing a fantasy novel. no one could ever know what a computer thats a million times smarter than a human would do, so it's just baseless speculation. I've read isaac asimovs "The Last Question" and that's good enough for me. the best sci-fi is about what humans might do with technology that doesnt exist, but we know is physically possible
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Sep 7, 2015 15:51
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jBrereton posted:Scalzi's Old Man's War was good. Yeah I read that and really liked it, just found out that its got sequels, bought the next one and I hope it isnt as butt loving stupid as forever wars sequelt. (That book is really, really dumb as poo poo, it's basically about the main characters living on a backwater planet with other war veterans and being really unhappy with the situation. The solution is flying away on a relativistic cruise like they did before, in order to travel like thousands of years into the future and build a new civilization then. Sounds good, and interesting enough for a story, right? But wait, it actually turns out that the whole universe is a simulation and by doing that trip they would somehow exeed the limits of the simulation, and because of this the makers of the matrix or whatever the gently caress sabotage the ship and then I stopped reading because that is the dumbest continuation of a good story I ever stumbled upon. Pohl posted:I grew up reading my dad's old books. Heinlein, Niven, Zelazny, Dickinson, Vinge, -- I could go on forever, those guys were great. Same, alongside loads of russian sci fi books like asimov or lem. He still has a big box of those books in his cellar that I fight about with my mom every time I visit, because I want to keep them but dont have a place to store them yet. Its kinda cool reading poo poo your dad read 30 years ago at the same age.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:52
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jBrereton posted:Maybe, but I think Stanisław Lem had a good point when he said it's hard to write science fiction that isn't just an updated version of very old tales with a bit of a technological burnish. See, I politely disagree. I like Dick's work (that sounds horribly funny), and I enjoy his books. Sure, he's a lovely writer, I'll give you that, but I still find his books worth reading.
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Sep 7, 2015 15:56
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Rutibex posted:yeah but once you get to the point where humans are just the pets of god-like AIs you may as well be writing a fantasy novel. no one could ever know what a computer thats a million times smarter than a human would do, so it's just baseless speculation. I've read isaac asimovs "The Last Question" and that's good enough for me. the best sci-fi is about what humans might do with technology that doesnt exist, but we know is physically possible "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam"
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Sep 7, 2015 15:58
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Rutibex posted:yeah but once you get to the point where humans are just the pets of god-like AIs you may as well be writing a fantasy novel. no one could ever know what a computer thats a million times smarter than a human would do, so it's just baseless speculation. I've read isaac asimovs "The Last Question" and that's good enough for me. the best sci-fi is about what humans might do with technology that doesnt exist, but we know is physically possible I agree with this, too. There is just so much poo poo out there, it is hard to find something like we used to have. Sometimes I just want a fun space opera, I'm not always looking to be blown away and have my mind expanded when I read. Give me some pulp that is just plain fun.
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Rutibex posted:yeah but once you get to the point where humans are just the pets of god-like AIs you may as well be writing a fantasy novel. no one could ever know what a computer thats a million times smarter than a human would do, so it's just baseless speculation. I've read isaac asimovs "The Last Question" and that's good enough for me. the best sci-fi is about what humans might do with technology that doesnt exist, but we know is physically possible there is a reason sci fi books are shelved under fantasy in the library, and it's not because librarians hate sci fi
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Sep 7, 2015 16:05
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Son of Rodney posted:
I gave away about 500 of those books when I moved last year. Hardest thing I ever did. 
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exert some effort OP etc etc
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Pohl posted:See, I politely disagree. I like Dick's work (that sounds horribly funny), and I enjoy his books. Sure, he's a lovely writer, I'll give you that, but I still find his books worth reading. his books are absolutely terrible, but worth reading, not because they are narrative fiction but because they are processual cross-sections of schizophrenia as far as his fiction goes, i love Three Stigmata most because i think it best encapsulates the two or three themes and motifs that appear in virtually every one of his books as far as his books overall, Transmigration is one of the most devastating books i have ever read, when following VALIS and Invasion he is really fascinating to read, and his books are mind-bending objects, but as a writer of fiction, he is atrocious
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Sep 7, 2015 16:08
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Pohl posted:I agree with this, too. There is just so much poo poo out there, it is hard to find something like we used to have. Sometimes I just want a fun space opera, I'm not always looking to be blown away and have my mind expanded when I read. Give me some pulp that is just plain fun. have you read A Princess of Mars? it was the most fun i had had reading a book in probably ten or fifteen years. it made me feel 9 again. yeah the politics are hosed up blah blah blah blah blah i did not care, it was just so enjoyable.
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nomadologique posted:have you read A Princess of Mars? it was the most fun i had had reading a book in probably ten or fifteen years. it made me feel 9 again. yeah the politics are hosed up blah blah blah blah blah i did not care, it was just so enjoyable. I haven't but I'll look into it for sure, thanks. Edit: I'm honestly not sure how I never read Burroughs. Pohl fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Rutibex posted:yeah but once you get to the point where humans are just the pets of god-like AIs you may as well be writing a fantasy novel. no one could ever know what a computer thats a million times smarter than a human would do, so it's just baseless speculation. I've read isaac asimovs "The Last Question" and that's good enough for me. the best sci-fi is about what humans might do with technology that doesnt exist, but we know is physically possible This is a dumb sentiment not because you're wrong, but because there's room for all types of sci-fi and they all have degrees of worth. The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson is rooted in physically possible tech and is boring as poo poo past the first book, while The Culture is extremely enjoyable and holds the ring of human plausibility despite being set around speculative technologies that we have no basis of comparison for. Cake Smashing Boob posted:"A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam" Also this. I've got a book on Space Opera throughout the 20th Century and reading stuff from the 1930s is fascinating precisely because of how crazy off a lot of the technology predictions are. Seeing speculative imagination from a world where rockets themselves were very novel new inventions with the benefit of hindsight is fun as gently caress, especially when the human narrative inside of that story has any sort-of thematic resonance. ------------- Also throwing up props for Jack Vance's "Tales of the Dying Earth" series, specifically the first book which embodies the "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" quote by Arthur C. Clarke better than anything else I've ever seen. It's also proto-D&D as gently caress, literally-- the creators of D&D modeled elements and even spell names (Prismatic Spray) based on the system of "magic" present in this series.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:13
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Phobophilia posted:might i recommend a song of blind and sight by pete r.r. watts? yeah
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Sep 7, 2015 16:18
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Phobophilia posted:might i recommend a song of blind and sight by pete r.r. watts? I'm getting some really random results when I search for that. Do you have a link?
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Sep 7, 2015 16:25
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Son of Rodney posted:Same, alongside loads of russian sci fi books like asimov or lem. Asimov, uh, wasn't Russian in any meaningful sense having moved to the US when he was three. Nor was Lem in even the technical sense but at least you got the right Cold War bloc.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:26
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feedmegin posted:Asimov, uh, wasn't Russian in any meaningful sense having moved to the US when he was three. Nor was Lem in even the technical sense but at least you got the right Cold War bloc. Haha I actually never knew that. His style reminded me of the other russian stuff I read at that time, so whoops I guess!
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feedmegin posted:Asimov, uh, wasn't Russian in any meaningful sense having moved to the US when he was three. Nor was Lem in even the technical sense but at least you got the right Cold War bloc. Asimov was smuggled to America in a suitcase when he was very young. I know this to be true because he wrote it in his author bio in the Foundation books. My favorite Stanislaw Lem story is that he once wrote about Philip K Dick in praise of his work. Dick reported him to the FBI because he believed him to be a cabal of Russian KGB agents trying to sway US public opinion.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:34
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2 of my favorite series of books are both really, well, weird. David Feintuch wrote some books. They were good, but they were really loving weird. There is a lot of spanking and authoritarianism. If you can get past that, they are good reads. The other was David Gerrold. He wrote the original "trouble with triffids", story for Star Trek, and wrote a lot of the Enterprise series. He wrote some books about 20 years ago that were really loving good, but they were also very loving weird sexually. That was because he was gay and was I believe hiding it at that time, so you get this great book with just random and crazy poo poo. Gerrold is still one of my favorite authors, be gay and be happy, just stop making GBS threads your quality books up with sex scenes that would make ron jeremy uncomfortable.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:35
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TNG posted:Asimov was smuggled to America in a suitcase when he was very young. I know this to be true because he wrote it in his author bio in the Foundation books. I didn't know dick was a narc. I thought crazy people were not supposed to trust the government.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:39
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Pohl posted:2 of my favorite series of books are both really, well, weird. weird how
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Hobohemian posted:I didn't know dick was a narc. I thought crazy people were not supposed to trust the government. Well Dick was a paranoid schizophrenic, and had moved a bit beyond the US government being the sole source of domination of his and the people's minds. The poo poo with Lem went down in the mid 70s, so he was probably obsessing over the cold war and making up all sorts of scenarios. The thing about paranoid schizophrenics is that they will go to authority to report perceived wrongs and bad goings on because they believe that will lessen the impact of the mania in their minds by getting THE MAN onto them.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:46
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:weird how I can expand and give an honest answer if you are being serious? I can't tell anymore on here when people are being honest or when they are being assholes.
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Sep 7, 2015 16:48
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I want to know
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Uh no OP have you ever heard of a little series called Twilight?
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