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PT6A posted:Not to mention, making gifted kids show up and be bored all day, with the tacit admission that they don't need to be there are aren't going to learn much, seems downright cruel. Learning to show up at boring rear end places is actually an important life skill because you have to do that for most of your life.
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Most high school kids would gain a lot more from spending half the day at a trade school than trying to get calculus shoved in their face in the vain hope that college will get them something.
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Sep 15, 2015 22:45
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computer parts posted:Yeah, then they can dream of working 80 hour weeks. Except with a lovely degree/some college you end up doing it for not much north of minimum wage. Sure, smart people can parlay trash degrees into jobs but your average dumbass has a better shot with some kind of trade cert than with a lovely degree or half a degree. Not that the trades are a panacea. A lot of them get poo poo on, too.
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Sep 15, 2015 23:11
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Effectronica posted:Nope, I talk about it as though it were worse than white-collar labor, which it is. Even leaving aside 70-80 hour weeks, leaving aside the fact that you don't work consistent hours anymore, instead doing piecework jobs for a few days or weeks and then spending time looking for the next gig, leaving aside that training will actually take you longer than a bachelor's (apprenticeships are five years, and then you have trade schools proper, so it can even rival a doctorate for some specialty fields), leaving aside the whole supply-and-demand thing, leaving aside the health risks, there's the simple fact that the work environment of a blue-collar job is inherently worse in 99% of cases than that of a white-collar job. In the real job environment, the extra years in the job are worth a lot more than 4 years of college and a marginally relevant degree. Yes, there are degrees that will win every time in this comparison, but most of them won't. Of course, some smart people parlay poo poo degrees into good white-collar jobs, but many just end up working a touch ahead in retail than a HS-educated worker and don't do much better than a tradesman. Even science majors often end up doing trash work and making less than tradesmen.
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Sep 16, 2015 04:36
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Effectronica posted:Cool job ignoring everything I wrote in favor of repeating blather about how skilled work pays more. Are you a man or a mynah? They do get poo poo on but then everyone gets poo poo on- lovely white collar work for example gives you poo poo tons of unpaid OT. I'm not gonna disagree that people get poo poo on either way.
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Sep 16, 2015 04:42
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Effectronica posted:It's not a question of getting poo poo on. Can you read, or are you just putting up a somewhat convincing fake? You can kinda tell me about the cushy white-collar nature of being an assistant manager of a wal-mart and then tell me about how a paying apprenticeship(which is also common in other college degree fields such as architecture) is worse than dropping thousands of dollars on college. You sound like a loving idiot when you think trash degrees are better than trade school(and btw, with most trade school programs in high school you can do both).
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Sep 16, 2015 04:52
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A gifted kid will probably get more out of reading wikipedia than going to a formal class.
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