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If you hated Undertale's ending you'd hate Gurren Lagann's. 
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Jan 6, 2016 03:10
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solving everyone's problems forever through the power of acting is really gay and unsatisfying, though. Just pretend the box can't be fixed because there might be a sequel one day.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:11
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Normal Adult Human posted:solving everyone's problems forever through the power of acting is really gay That's literally mettaton's entire gimmick E: I'd prefer to trade Alphys's life for goat boy's, because one is adorable and the other is likely to be hired by russia to create bioweaponry asap
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Jan 6, 2016 03:12
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CJacobs posted:His point is that there's no soul left to put back in, and the only experimentations with bringing people who've lost their souls back to life via souls and determination were a huge failure. The game makes it clear that, without a soul, you can't live, except for Flowey whose lack of a soul is the whole reason he is alive in the first place. So it wouldn't really make sense in the game's world for it to just spontaneously happen in the name of a happier ending. This makes me think...Flowey can't feel because he lacks a soul and he knows this, so why doesn't Asgore ever attempt to give him one of the human souls in an attempt to fix it? I mean, Flowey says that he's never been able to get Asgore to show him where the human souls are in any timeline. That implies that, even in timelines where Flowey tells Asgore who he is, Asgore never once backs down from his promise to break the barrier in an attempt to see if he can maybe give his partially resurrected son back his ability to feel and care again. He's as bad of a father as he is a ruler, it seems.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:17
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They were selling Frisk pillows at the mall
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Jan 6, 2016 03:21
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Ahhhh yeah, that's the stuff. Inexplicably swole Frisk is the best interpretation of the character. Now someone needs to combine it with Undyne's tendency to pick the kid up like they don't weigh anything.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:22
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Floodkiller posted:This makes me think...Flowey can't feel because he lacks a soul and he knows this, so why doesn't Asgore ever attempt to give him one of the human souls in an attempt to fix it? I mean, Flowey says that he's never been able to get Asgore to show him where the human souls are in any timeline. That implies that, even in timelines where Flowey tells Asgore who he is, Asgore never once backs down from his promise to break the barrier in an attempt to see if he can maybe give his partially resurrected son back his ability to feel and care again. He's as bad of a father as he is a ruler, it seems.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:26
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Chibs posted:If you hated Undertale's ending you'd hate Gurren Lagann's. that anime owns
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Jan 6, 2016 03:28
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GeneX posted:That's literally mettaton's entire gimmick METTATON is cool and strong and makes the best king, actually.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:31
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kw0134 posted:Because souls aren't interchangeable, at least in that sense. The neutral ending shows this when things spiral out of control, and in the pacifist ending calling out to the lost soul reveals their personality. Sharing Chara's soul meant sharing bodies, and Asriel literally had to fight them over control of his own body. Having a soul is considered a fundamental part of what makes a person a person, and Flowey is practically an abomination against nature because he lacks one. Yes, but only Flowey knows that this can happen, and he still goes through with the plan to absorb six human souls anyway in the Neutral end, which implies he thinks he could control it anyway. My question was, what's stopping Asgore from trying to help once he knows Flowey is his son, without any of this knowledge? What stops him from ever showing Flowey the souls?
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Jan 6, 2016 03:34
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Normal Adult Human posted:METTATON is cool and strong and makes the best king, actually. that's the dog, actually
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Jan 6, 2016 03:35
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GeneX posted:it's pretty bad that in a game about using the scientifically extricable power of the human soul to do impossible poo poo, you still can't save an innocent goat child sorry that the game doesn't give you a perfect ending, and is therefore...bad? also lol at your argument that a game all about not stressing about minmaxing it to experience all the content should have some super-obscure secret goodest option if you do a bunch of hardcore stuff like, did you miss literally everything the game was trying to tell you on a metanarrative level
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Jan 6, 2016 03:39
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Chibs posted:If you hated Undertale's ending you'd hate Gurren Lagann's. I loved Undertale's ending and hated Gurren Lagann's.  Floodkiller posted:My question was, what's stopping Asgore from trying to help once he knows Flowey is his son, without any of this knowledge? What stops him from ever showing Flowey the souls? What makes you think that Flowey ever told Asgore that? I don't recall it ever being said (though it's been a while since I've run through it). Pi In The Sky fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 03:40
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Floodkiller posted:This makes me think...Flowey can't feel because he lacks a soul and he knows this, so why doesn't Asgore ever attempt to give him one of the human souls in an attempt to fix it? I mean, Flowey says that he's never been able to get Asgore to show him where the human souls are in any timeline. That implies that, even in timelines where Flowey tells Asgore who he is, Asgore never once backs down from his promise to break the barrier in an attempt to see if he can maybe give his partially resurrected son back his ability to feel and care again. He's as bad of a father as he is a ruler, it seems. he gets 6 human souls and it doesn't make a difference. Human souls are made of determination, not love and compassion like monster souls. He needs a monster soul to feel again.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:42
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Cleretic posted:Something I only realized when the comments of a video I was watching yesterday pointed it out: there actually is one instance of a monster surviving through determination. Undyne basically does the main-character-gaining-the-hopes-and-dreams-of-everyone-to-power-up-before-fighting-the-final-boss bit on you and it's completely cool.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:46
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Toxxupation posted:sorry that the game doesn't give you a perfect ending, and is therefore...bad? every post I make is a combination of hyperbole, sincerity, and sarcasm
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Jan 6, 2016 03:48
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Flowey probably reset when he realised he couldn't feel the love his parents had for him. Manipulating this feeling to obtain the human souls wouldn't have occurred to Flowey because he is literally incapable of understanding love and compassion. The scenario simply never came up. That's the simplest explanation. I 100% believe that Asgore would happily die and give Asriel his soul if he thought it would do any good (and this might actually work). But with that soul, Asriel would never allow it, and would simply reset to undo that. Hence the catch 22. The ending is fine, it's about respecting Asriel's sacrifice. Fangz fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 03:48
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GeneX posted:every post I make is a combination of hyperbole, sincerity, and sarcasm You two should get along famously.
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Jan 6, 2016 03:54
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Pi In The Sky posted:What makes you think that Flowey ever told Asgore that? I don't recall it ever being said (though it's been a while since I've run through it). Fangz posted:The scenario simply never came up. That's the simplest explanation. Fair enough. I'm not disrespecting the ending, as much as I wish it could be different; I definitely think the story wouldn't have the same impact if you could make everything perfect in the end. I just wanted to think of a reason why Asgore couldn't try more to help with what he had.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:01
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hello oxxidation how is life
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Jan 6, 2016 04:01
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do you think even the worst person can change...? that everybody can be a good person, if they just try?
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Jan 6, 2016 04:02
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McFrugal posted:do you think even the worst person can change...? that everybody can be a good person, if they just try? it depends on whether you're talking consequentialist, deontolgical, or aretaic ethics now let me show you my 200 page dissertation on the meaning of "good" as it pertains to the actions you take in a video game
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Jan 6, 2016 04:05
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McFrugal posted:do you think even the worst person can change...? that everybody can be a good person, if they just try? That's funny, your brother asked me the same question. o'u'o
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Jan 6, 2016 04:08
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Ah, that'd explain it. Haven't done a geno yet. Though even if I did, I'd just reset after the Sans fight, considering that and the Undyne fight are the only things that tempt me.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:16
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Floodkiller posted:Fair enough. I'm not disrespecting the ending, as much as I wish it could be different; I definitely think the story wouldn't have the same impact if you could make everything perfect in the end. I just wanted to think of a reason why Asgore couldn't try more to help with what he had.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:27
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is oxxidation frisk and toxxupation chara because they both have the same avatar and I AM SO CONFUSED
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Jan 6, 2016 04:29
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Floodkiller posted:https://youtu.be/iFqwJwH9AUo?t=224 I think this is a problem more on Asgore's end. The guy's terrible at anything close to resembling leadership or decision-making. Hell, he doesn't even absorb the 6 souls in the genocide ending, despite ample warning.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:30
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The Saddest Rhino posted:is oxxidation frisk and toxxupation chara because they both have the same avatar and I AM SO CONFUSED This is a good setup for someone willing to post the landerig chart
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Jan 6, 2016 04:31
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Lurdiak posted:I dunno man. He outright states that he's gonna turn back into Flowey and start doing poo poo again. Back into the numb, mind-blind flower thing, not back into the terrified, trapped goat kid hurling himself against the walls of his prison to feel ANYTHING PLEASE GOD HELP. He's not some pitiable immortal freak doomed to sit in that cave forevermore, he can unmake himself just fine. He was just too twisted up in the aftermath of his tragedy and eventual spiral into crazy to not undo his deaths by reflex. Now that everyone's free and he's had some perspective hugged back into his head, he can repent and let himself fade away into the night without touching that RESET lever anymore. He's done.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:37
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The Saddest Rhino posted:is oxxidation frisk and toxxupation chara because they both have the same avatar and I AM SO CONFUSED this is a post, to be sure
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Jan 6, 2016 04:37
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Toxxupation posted:this is a post, to be sure Totally inaccurate, though. Everyone knows Toxx is the weird emotional one and I'm the malevolent goblin puppeteering his every thought
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Jan 6, 2016 04:40
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think a game like Undertale can really support creepypasta. Between Flowey, the genocide run, and Gaster, there isn't anything you could add that would be creepier than what the game already has. Instead of creepypasta it's just gonna have a bunch of rumors on secret ways to save Asriel like we're back in the age of FF7. Chara too while we're at it And the other six souls. Gaster can hop right in on this as well.
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Jan 6, 2016 04:43
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Oxxidation posted:Totally inaccurate, though. I didn't know that
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Jan 6, 2016 05:08
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Toxxupation posted:hello oxxidation how is life oh my god how long have you two had the same avatar
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Jan 6, 2016 05:11
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Looper posted:oh my god A while back someone switched their avatars, making things even more confusing for a while, before they were switched back, and now Toxx has Oxx's again. It's some sort of running thing now.
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Jan 6, 2016 05:19
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Oxxidation posted:Totally inaccurate, though. yes, let's figure out our undertalesonas, yes. let's really dig deep into this. i have so many unanswered questions. i need to know, oxx. spare no detail, we need to hash this poo poo out
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Jan 6, 2016 05:22
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Toxxupation posted:yes, let's figure out our undertalesonas, yes. let's really dig deep into this. i have so many unanswered questions. i need to know, oxx. spare no detail, we need to hash this poo poo out im spaghettikin E: So as to not shitpost more than I already am, I'm honestly curious what people like about the game. I know I'm a humongous fan of the characters, music, and humor, and I really appreciate the semi-hidden narrative involving time travel and quasi-extant skeleton scientists. I'm not a huge fan of some of the fights, and I think the graphics could be better, or at least more varied. Why do you guys like (or dislike) about the game? Jen X fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 05:29
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Fangz posted:I 100% believe that Asgore would happily die and give Asriel his soul if he thought it would do any good (and this might actually work). But with that soul, Asriel would never allow it, and would simply reset to undo that. Since this is almost literally how boss monsters having kids in the game works (having a kid dooms your own soul to eventual destruction), I think it's pretty obvious he would yeah.
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Jan 6, 2016 05:33
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I'm personally a big fan of the good stuff, not so hot about the average bits, and if I have one serious problem with this game, it's definitely the bad parts
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Jan 6, 2016 06:07
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GlyphGryph posted:having a kid dooms your own soul to eventual destruction Monsters: Not so different from humans after all. And because we all need a little bit of light, hope and determination in this thread:  http://serain.tumblr.com/post/136327233097/seeing-all-the-great-undertale-fanart-it-fills This may have been posted before, but it's getting harder to find good stuff. There's a rising tide of weirdness out there right now. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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