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If we're all Cylons, does that make Cocks Baltar?
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Cavil's original Drawback is to discard his entire hand when another player reveals as a cylon. Ouch. That's pretty rough and out of his control, but appropriate consider how powerful Cavil is. This typically happens twice a game barring Exodus loyalty deck stuff. So let's think about this. In this game, Cavil will have to worry about 20 other Motive Cards. 1/3 are "reveal during the game" types which means he has to worry about on average 6 to 7 of them. Now not all of them may get accomplished. We can't assume every Cylon Leader will be as equally successful  So I believe a reasonable assumption is that only about ~5 show up. That's 10 random cards over the course of the game. Is that equal to dumping your entire hand twice?Sure a "once per turn" limiting clause is reasonable, but I doubt it's going to make a huge difference. 1 random card is too little. How about split the difference? Once per turn, when another player reveals a Motive Card, you must discard 1 random Skill Card and then 1 Skill Card of your choice from your hand.
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Sep 16, 2015 17:09
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I like both the line of reasoning and the conclusion. I'm on board.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:03
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Works for me! Good reasoning. One of the most interesting things about getting deeper into running/playing BSG is hearing people's input on the design process and tweaks to the game.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:52
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I'm sure we have given it more thought that FFG at this point.
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Sep 16, 2015 18:56
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Podima posted:One of the most interesting things about getting deeper into running/playing BSG is hearing people's input on the design process and tweaks to the game. I had a post here, but I had a Realignment of Decisions.
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Sep 16, 2015 19:03
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Toshimo posted:I had a post here, but I had a Realignment of Decisions.   I said I enjoyed hearing them, not that I necessarily AGREED with all of them!
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Sep 16, 2015 19:06
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Toshimo posted:I had a post here, but I had a Realignment of Decisions. This reference My head
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Sep 16, 2015 19:07
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Some Numbers posted:This reference There was an extended bit of banter during my last game about someone dancing around having a Change of Plans in their hand. Also Toshimo
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Sep 16, 2015 19:13
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I didn't even parse that as a Change of Plans equivalent. Well played.
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Sep 16, 2015 19:16
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Ok let's get this started 1) SomeNumbers 2) Toshimo 3) Podima 4) BrokenLoose 5) Pander 6) Metos Pick characters and starting draws. First player draws normal 5. Everyone else draws 3. Order determines precedence in case there are any conflicts. But choose who you want! After everyone has picked, I'll re-order you as needed to maintain BSG weird character picking rules.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:38
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"For Love" is only prevented for Statics/OPGs? Or does it apply to Skill cards/Quorum/Mutiny that discard for positive effect?
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Sep 16, 2015 20:44
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Also, can you keep Recalculating as long as you have ENG to discard?
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Sep 16, 2015 20:45
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FRAK YES. ##LEOBEN MOTHERFRAKKERS
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Sep 16, 2015 20:46
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Toshimo posted:"For Love" is only prevented for Statics/OPGs? Or does it apply to Skill cards/Quorum/Mutiny that discard for positive effect? According to the FAQ, it is only restricted for statics/OPGs and end of turn discards. And I suppose technically a Super Crisis Card effect too. But everything else is fair game such as Drawbacks, Food crisis cards, moving between ships.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:48
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Toshimo posted:Also, can you keep Recalculating as long as you have ENG to discard? Yes.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:49
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Some Numbers posted:FRAK YES. Ha ha, you chose a Pilot. Also, Draw Skill Cards.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:50
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Cocks Cable posted:According to the FAQ, it is only restricted for statics/OPGs and end of turn discards. And I suppose technically a Super Crisis Card effect too. But everything else is fair game such as Drawbacks, Food crisis cards, moving between ships. Wait. Did you just ninja-edit it to be OPT?
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Sep 16, 2015 20:52
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Cocks Cable posted:Ha ha, you chose a Pilot. Also, Draw Skill Cards. Okay, so we're going to rewind for a second, because I now have some additional questions. 1) Where do any characters set up? 2) Do any/all/none of us start infiltrated? 3) You made Leoben a Pilot and left his drawback untouched? Dick move 4) Are we locking in our draws before we see our Motives?
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Sep 16, 2015 20:53
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yessssssss  But I wanted Leoben, frak you Some Numbers!
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Sep 16, 2015 20:56
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Some Numbers posted:Okay, so we're going to rewind for a second, because I now have some additional questions. 1/2. All characters have setup locations on Galactica so I assume we all start Infiltrated. 3. How often do pilots need to be in the same space quadrant though? It's not a nasty drawback. 4. This is a good point, loyalty is dealt out before skill card draws. Though that typically gets passed over for normal BSG games, it might be a little more important for this game.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:57
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Toshimo posted:Wait. Did you just ninja-edit it to be OPT? No, it's OPT on the base character. Looks like the only edit to that ability is to include Mutiny Cards as options to draw/discard. 
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Sep 16, 2015 20:59
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I would argue that space areas are not locations at all?
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Sep 16, 2015 20:59
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Podima posted:3. How often do pilots need to be in the same space quadrant though? It's not a nasty drawback. It's more that if Athena starts on the Hangar Deck, Leoben can't even get into space until she moves.
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Sep 16, 2015 20:59
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Also I'm about to head into a meeting so will pick my character within the hour. If Some Numbers still wants to stick with Leoben, I'll probably go Doral, D'Anna, or Cavil. Still debating.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:01
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Podima posted:1/2. All characters have setup locations on Galactica so I assume we all start Infiltrated. quote:3. How often do pilots need to be in the same space quadrant though? It's not a nasty drawback.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:05
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I would like an explanation for why Leoben starts in the Armory.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:06
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Even at face value it makes no sense, but when you add in that he's a Pilot and his drawback, it ends up making NEGATIVE sense.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:07
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Some Numbers posted:It might not be that bad, but as Toshimo mentioned, I literally can't get into space if someone takes Athena. A drawback is a drawback.  You can XO her to move. Or I can move her ahead of you in turn order so she can move first (or not...).I'll go ahead and say space areas are not locations. Let me add that clarification to the reference post.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:10
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Boomer starts in the Armory and is a Pilot.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:10
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Also, can we choose our draws after seeing motives?
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Sep 16, 2015 21:12
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Podima posted:Boomer starts in the Armory and is a Pilot. Right, but Boomer doesn't say "can't use the Hangar Deck turn 1." I realize I'm making a sandcastle out of a molehill here, it's just an awkward combination of circumstances. I'm not even sure why Leoben is a Pilot at all, but oh well
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Sep 16, 2015 21:14
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Some Numbers posted:I'm not even sure why Leoben is a Pilot at all, but oh well Because, who else would be?
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Sep 16, 2015 21:16
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Leoben is a pilot because he rode around in a Heavy Raider a few times, and he loves Starbuck, and someone needs to be a pilot.Podima posted:Also, can we choose our draws after seeing motives? Mmmm, no. I'll err on the side of hilarity.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:17
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Cocks Cable posted:Ok let's get this started Wububalubadubdub! ##Gimme John Cavil ##preload Cavil Maneuver
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Sep 16, 2015 21:22
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 Hello folks. Don't mind me. ##starting draw: 1 LEA, 1 ENG, 1 TAC
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Sep 16, 2015 21:30
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Cocks, I already hate that you called the new Title "Cylon Leader" as it makes Ctrl+F on the OP miserable.
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Sep 16, 2015 21:32
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 ## Draw ENG
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Sep 16, 2015 21:34
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I think I'm going to have words about this after the game, but for now, despite my reservations, none of the other CLs look remotely interesting. ##Lock in Leoben, draw Lea
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I didn't know what else to call it  "current jagoff who thinks he's in charge"
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