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I finally got round to watching the final two episodes of the year. Were they about anything at all other than "Doctor Who"? And giving fanfic writers and Big Finish an excuse to do stories with Clara/Jenna Coleman as the Doctor?
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 01:47 |
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 17:59 |
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Heaven Sent was about Capaldi acting
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 01:50 |
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CobiWann posted:Hands raised if anyone was able to recreate this exact scenario, down to the dialogue and voice inflection, in their heads. Of course.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 01:57 |
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It's not CUTE! It's way out of loving line on Matt's part!
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 02:15 |
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DoctorWhat posted:It's not CUTE! It's way out of loving line on Matt's part! Do note the "It was like 4 AM, and we were all completely smashed" part of the story.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 02:18 |
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Cerv posted:The Muppet Christmas carol is leagues ahead of that Doctor Who one from a couple of years back anyway. Honestly, I kinda like their take on the Christmas carol. It gave us Christmas sharks. .
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 02:24 |
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DoctorWhat posted:It's not CUTE! It's way out of loving line on Matt's part! He was right though, there shouldn't be any more River Song.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 02:37 |
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jivjov posted:Do note the "It was like 4 AM, and we were all completely smashed" part of the story. He wasn't drunk when he told Moffat not to write River for anyone else, though.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 02:40 |
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Rhyno posted:So, this has been making the rounds on Facebook. I've somehow managed to avoid all knowledge of Tom's life, is there any truth in this? Here's an article that quotes his autobiography: http://thomas-stewart-baker.com/article04.html He says his wife's family treated him like a servant and he tried to kill himself by overdosing on anti-depressants, then one day his mother-in-law was yelling at him and he went nuts and threw hoes at her. His wife's family were rich and she got remarried pretty quickly, but Baker didn't see her or his children again for a very long time. I suppose the family wanted him to keep away from them, but he never says that explicitly.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 03:03 |
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Patrick Troughton literally had two separate families, like when a guy has two dates to the prom and has to go back and forth between them without them finding out, except in real life. Actors are not usually the most regular people. That Matt Smith stuff is hosed up, though.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 03:31 |
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Rochallor posted:Patrick Troughton literally had two separate families, like when a guy has two dates to the prom and has to go back and forth between them without them finding out, except in real life. Actors are not usually the most regular people. I learned to handle these awkward social situations from a little show called Three's Company.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 03:40 |
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Eh, actors are precious. The fact that she discussed it in a public interview would indicate that they all talked it over it's fine between them all now. Even if not, it's not our affair.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 03:42 |
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DoctorWhat posted:It's not CUTE! It's way out of loving line on Matt's part! Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. Obviously it was between friends and if she's talking about it, it's probably no big deal. If anything it's cool because it shows how much Matt and so many other actors become part of the franchise and how seriously they take it. It's doubly cool because unlike David and Peter C, Matt wasn't a hardcore fan before---wasn't much of a fan at all--and he's really embraced it.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 03:53 |
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DoctorWhat posted:He wasn't drunk when he told Moffat not to write River for anyone else, though. He also wasn't wrong. I read the title of the zero-episode special for the next season and immediately threw my hands up in disgust and closed my browser. Then I opened it again to post my complaint. Seriously though, no more River Song. Confine her to the same limbo as Danny Pink, Adric, and Dodo. Put her character into a black hole somewhere and never speak of her again.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 04:11 |
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There's no possible way Smith was joking when he said that to Moffat. But please continue to be outraged.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 05:22 |
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Rhyno posted:So, this has been making the rounds on Facebook. I've somehow managed to avoid all knowledge of Tom's life, is there any truth in this? Here's the funny thing about facts. When you present them without context, without backstory, without any further information and then slant it in a biased fashion against the one you're writing about, it's very easy to turn them into Hitler. Yes those things technically occurred. Now how did they actually happen and why? The creator of that image hopes you don't ask that and don't look into it and instead just take in the surface level details that are meant to make you dislike the person it is written about. Critical Thinking It is your friend
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 05:26 |
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DoctorWhat posted:I learned to handle these awkward social situations from a little show called Three's Company. Ooooooh! My favorite episode is the one with the misunderstanding!
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 05:50 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:There's no possible way Smith was joking when he said that to Moffat. Fool, do you not know that Matt Smith is Steven Moffat's boss and can dictate the creative decisions of the show even after leaving the BBC?
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 06:03 |
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Huh, I'd heard about the Tom Baker thing, but not Troughton's secret other family. I mean, we all knew the First Doctor had those other grandchildren stashed in the spare console room, but still.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 07:02 |
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Short Synopsis: The Sixth Doctor vs a bunch of goddamned liars. Long Synopsis: When the Sixth Doctor discovers a dead body in a condemned building, he's quickly arrested for the murder. Making a new acquaintance who accepts his insane world suspiciously easily, the Doctor attempts to uncover the truth while greedy people try to cover their own asses. What's Good:
What's Not:
Final Thoughts: The Condemned is very good, mostly because the core cast is very good. Shining with brief moments of strong body-horror, it's otherwise a rather basic story about uncovering a scam/criminal organization preying on a particular underbelly of society. But Colin Baker is excellent as the Doctor and has great chemistry both with the police detective he spends most of the story with, as well as the new companion who is now along for the ride. The "mystery" of that companion promises fascinating stuff to come in the future between the two of them, but their separation means we get to see that both are capable of carrying scenes (and a story) on their own, which only bodes well. Anna Hope's character of D.I Patricia Menzies is similarly strongly written and she helps to keep the story running along at a good pace. The ending is a little unsatisfying from the perspective of wrapping up THIS story, but is excellent in further establishing the nature of the relationship between the Doctor and his new companion, the "amnesiac" Miss Smith. Even if you don't take into account the rather major factor of this introducing a new companion to the Sixth Doctor (especially this particular companion), by itself this is a still a fine listen, and well worth checking out.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 10:47 |
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Trin Tragula posted:I finally got round to watching the final two episodes of the year. Were they about anything at all other than "Doctor Who"? And giving fanfic writers and Big Finish an excuse to do stories with Clara/Jenna Coleman as the Doctor? They were really strong character stories, I'm not sure exactly what you're complaining about. It's sort of like complaining that an episode of Rick and Morty is all about "Rick and Morty."
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 11:13 |
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Death Zebra posted:Yes. Sorry, it was a bad joke. Like, you suggested a way the episode could have been worse, wouldn't it be funny if it were true. People do post spoilers as speculation in TVIV sometimes but I don't think there's actually a spoiler thread for DW.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 11:53 |
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I'd take those stories with a grain of salt. We don't know all the details and it's easy to make someone look bad. See: Tom Baker "abandoning" his wife. It's no better than gossip.Trin Tragula posted:I finally got round to watching the final two episodes of the year. Were they about anything at all other than "Doctor Who"? And giving fanfic writers and Big Finish an excuse to do stories with Clara/Jenna Coleman as the Doctor? Are you saying that you don't like it if Doctor Who is about the Doctor? saucerman fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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saucerman posted:Are you saying that you don't like it if Doctor Who is about the Doctor? The best episodes are almost always not about the Doctor or the mythology of the series. So yes, I for one don't like it when Doctor Who is about the Doctor.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 14:32 |
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I like it when the show with a central plot element that can go anywhere in time and space does that.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 14:46 |
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The settings for the last few episodes weren't exactly boring.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 14:57 |
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I hope no one tells Matt Smith about River and the Eighth Doctor.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 15:04 |
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DoctorWhat posted:I've got VIDEO! She actually showed up to a convention she was scheduled to appear at without cancelling? Whoa.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 17:30 |
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Tim Burns Effect posted:She actually showed up to a convention she was scheduled to appear at without cancelling? Whoa. Has anyone ever told you your avatar is slightly terrifying?
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 17:48 |
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Has anyone ever told you your avatar is slightly terrifying? It's Hartnell in the molecular disseminator from The Daleks' Master Plan, it's supposed to be terrifying.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 17:53 |
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It WAS my favorite shot in the entire show until I got to Inferno
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 18:11 |
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Davros1 posted:Sir John Hurt in "Only the Monstrous" is Monday. I'm so conflicted, because on the one hand yes, it is sir John Hurt blowing up Daleks, but on the other, I'm not sure a three-hour Nick Briggs epic is the best vehicle for it. The details they've released for Volume 2 sound a lot more interesting. (I'm totally going to get all of them anyway, who am I kidding)
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 18:27 |
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saucerman posted:Are you saying that you don't like it if Doctor Who is about the Doctor?
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 20:17 |
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Dabir posted:I like it when the show with a central plot element that can go anywhere in time and space does that. Well in my opinion it usually leads to lazy story telling. Once you introduce time travelling within the story its super easy for the Doctor to just cheese his way out of whatever mess he's in. Being chased by a monster? Get in the Tardis and leave. World going to end in five minutes? You have all of time and space to figure out a way to stop it. Somebody dies? Not on Moffat's watch. I remember on Rick and Morty once Morty got sick of the adventure and beamed himself home. Then, a second later he beamed himself back, flooded the place with all the monsters and then unflooded it, sucking the monsters out. That was played for a laugh and was pretty funny and Doctor Who hasn't gone that far yet but thats seriously what a lot of these time travel within episode episodes feel like to me.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:32 |
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You wanna talk about "lazy storytelling"? Death is the easiest, simplest, goddamn laziest way to establish lasting consequences or "shake things up". Changing the status quo without killing off a character or characters forever, that takes work. How do you force Clara and the Doctor to part ways without resorting to Women-in-Refrigerators garbage? How do you separate their stories without cutting one short? Hell Bent is all about resolving that. It's about declaring Clara's death in Raven to be insufficient. Of course, if you refuse to consider Clara to be a valuable character, I can see why that might frustrate you. But heads up: you're wrong, Clara owns.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:39 |
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After recently getting interested in learning about Shakespeare, I discovered that the Globe Theatre sells recordings of their productions at globeplayer.tv and the version of The Merry Wives of Windsor they've got stars none other than Henry Gordon Jago himself! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjpq6j-KvTo drat, if you want a good example of how Shakespeare isn't difficult to understand at all when performed by a good enough actor, that's one right there. edit: More Shakespeare! Sylvester McCoy in King Lear as The Fool (around the 2:25 mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfDtrBPNZag Tim Burns Effect fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Dec 13, 2015 |
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Cliff Racer posted:Well in my opinion it usually leads to lazy story telling. Once you introduce time travelling within the story its super easy for the Doctor to just cheese his way out of whatever mess he's in. Being chased by a monster? Get in the Tardis and leave. World going to end in five minutes? You have all of time and space to figure out a way to stop it. Somebody dies? Not on Moffat's watch. Pretty sure Dabir was referring to between stories rather than in stories; ie crazy adventures somewhere new. Cliff Racer posted:I remember on Rick and Morty once Morty got sick of the adventure and beamed himself home. Then, a second later he beamed himself back, flooded the place with all the monsters and then unflooded it, sucking the monsters out. That was played for a laugh and was pretty funny and Doctor Who hasn't gone that far yet but thats seriously what a lot of these time travel within episode episodes feel like to me. Nah that was Rick in Mortynight Run (who was saving Morty from a load of goons by flooding the area), the time Morty got pissed off with what Rick was doing and took the portal gun and left was in Get Schwifty and he immediately is essentially completely hosed because he doesn't have Rick's knowledge or experience. DoctorWhat posted:Death is the easiest, simplest, goddamn laziest way to establish lasting consequences or "shake things up". You kill her boyfriend instead! Oh wait, that was only supposed to be where she was written out What you're arguing would work a lot better if what was theorised - that the series was out of order - was true. The whole thing would be a lot more interesting. As it is, for a series arc plot featuring the proper return of Gallifrey, the Doctor being trapped in a prison for billions of years, revelations about why he left originally, the end of the universe and all the rest of it... it was fairly humdrum.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:45 |
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DoctorWhat posted:Oh and totally loving DUNKING on what Ten did in Journey's End. That was fan loving tastic. DoctorWhat posted:Hell Bent is all about resolving that. It's about declaring Clara's death in Raven to be insufficient. Doctor Who is really boring if all it's going to be about is rebuking it's own previous episodes.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:54 |
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Stabbatical posted:Doctor Who is really boring if all it's going to be about is rebuking it's own previous episodes. Self-reflection is boring, now? You're gonna make half the authors of the past two centuries spin in their graves.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:58 |
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DoctorWhat posted:You wanna talk about "lazy storytelling"? If it was a random death by monster then yeah it would be lazy, but it wasn't. It was an in character death that had a lot to say about Clara's character in particular and the Doctor/companion relationship in general. Her story wasn't cut short, it was completed. It got a good end. And since the characters in all likelihood aren't going to show up on Dr. Who again it is ending her story, even if it leaves her alive. Its just a lazy, generic fanfiction end. You say her dying is insufficient? I say her living is, its running away from the theme that risking your life has consequences, undoes the idea that the Doctor really is out there putting his life on the line when he has these crazy ideas. And as far as saying something about the Doctor, its much less interesting than the hanging out with a dead person red herring they had set up. Clara could have owned if it weren't for the fact that she was rarely written well, but then thats just par for the course for the last couple years of the show, isn't it.
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# ? Dec 13, 2015 21:58 |