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armoredgorilla posted:Hi, I've enjoyed reading your short stories off and on for several years now. Welp see you later. Same. I figure that when I see 'recursive loop that self regulates' and immediately jump to an obscure short story that that's praise enough. But yeah. Long time fan. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Dec 2, 2015 |
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IceAgeComing posted:This is very true, at least from what I've heard. The rest of her audios are probably more uneven than the regular Who line; they're freer in what they can do in terms of the content than Who, and sometimes that results in something great, or something absolute dogshit. BF kinda screwed themselves with the early series format, because they used the series to launch their book range - which is fine...except important events happen in them which are lightly referenced in the audios, and you feel like you're missing out on the story half the time. poo poo like, she becomes pregnant all of a sudden, from an alien dog-friend, and then vaguely references something about a mind control crystal - if you've been listening to just the audios, this and the birth of her child appear without any prior indication. There's a particularly egregious one, where the Braxiatel Collection is invaded by the Daleks (none of which is even hinted at in the audio previous story), where they recorded a "Previously on-" brief extracts, from an audio that they never originally performed. It's confusing as all hell if you didn't realise there's meant to be books too. Some of the worst stories, are abstract concepts, like The Adolescence of Time (Something something dinosaur people/sentient earth), or about how super important Benny is to the universe (anything involving the Epoch - a god-like race trying to resolve a paradox around her). One bad one I remember was essentially a pilot for the BF Dorian Gray series. There's some gems though; Crystal of Cantus (a pretty good cyberman story, from Lidster no less!), Jason Kane: End of the World, The Diogenes Damsel (Mycroft David Warner!), Everybody Loves Irving (Miles Richardson hamming it up!).
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qntm posted:Thank you. I'm not familiar with your works, if it isn't inappropriate to ask, can somebody point me in the right direction to find out more? Pesky Splinter posted:There's a particularly egregious one, where the Braxiatel Collection is invaded by the Daleks (none of which is even hinted at in the audio previous story), where they recorded a "Previously on-" brief extracts, from an audio that they never originally performed. It's confusing as all hell if you didn't realise there's meant to be books too. Oh my God this would drive me insane if I listened to it without knowing the "audio" it was referencing didn't exist 
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Jerusalem posted:I'm not familiar with your works, if it isn't inappropriate to ask, can somebody point me in the right direction to find out more? http://qntm.org
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Dec 2, 2015 22:49
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PriorMarcus posted:It's because Gallifrey is immeasurably ancient and the world itself long ago died. The grand cities are contained within the baubles because that contains their false atmosphere and ecology. That city might look small, but every building and corridor is bigger on the inside. If you measured the actual size of that city it would cover the entire Earth and theirs a few dozen of them on Gallifrey. In the absence of further official guidance, I will accept your head canon.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:So, what the Hell was that Time Tot (Timepole?) doing in the middle of the desert? Do the Time Lords just have child sentries stationed across the planet in case the Doctor makes a dramatic entrance? Give you fifty-fifty odds the kid was a shepherd's boy.
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David Tennant is voicing Fugitoid on the new TMNT series! I didn't recognize his voice until the newest episode where the character giggles and I was like "Doctor?"
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kant posted:Little bubble?! You make it sound like it's a bad thing. They have the perfect city with everything they could want without having to be bothered with the dirty 'outside'. I assume "bigger on the outside" technology also works with cities, so there might be just like six or seven cities (there's the capital city, and the one that got destroyed in Day of the Doctor, right?) with billions of people in each of them. I like the idea that the Time Lords have basically gone up their own asses instead of stepping out into the rest of their planet. Maybe the Death Zone is just everything outside the cities, even.
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So somebody's asked me to recommend good new-series Doctor Who episodes, and I think it'd be a good idea to open it to you guys to figure out a good sample selection. Partly to get a good listing, and partly because it's probably a good asset to have anyway. What I'm thinking is to split it into certain categories, and provide an example from each Doctor. One-offs or two-parters, not majorly connected to any bigger story. What I've got so far... Horror/suspense with a weird monster: The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Blink, Night Terrors, Flatline Action starring a famous enemy: Dalek, Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel, Asylum of the Daleks(?), Into the Dalek Analysis of character: Father's Day or Dalek, Human Nature/Family of Blood(?), The Eleventh Hour, Mummy on the Orient Express or Heaven Sent It's neither a complete list nor one I'm totally happy with at this point. I don't want three of the four 'famous enemy' stories to be outright Dalek stuff, I'm sure there's a better look at Ten's character than Human Nature, and I kind of want another type of story to put forward as well (I wanted comedies, but the only one I'd be happy to recommend is Robot of Sherwood). But that's why I'm asking you guys.
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As always, I'd definitely recommend The Eleventh Hour as an excellent introductory episode. Other episodes I think are very watchable without needing to know too much about the show/continuity/characters would be Dalek, The Christmas Invasion, The Runaway Bride, Partners in Crime, Midnight, The Lodger, The Doctor's Wife, and Flatline. These are not necessarily the best episodes, some of them are even considered fairly weak by some. What they have going for them I think is that they're mostly self-contained episodes/stories that still give you a good sense of the flavor of the show. They also give a pretty good cross-section of the types of episodes the show produces. After that, you can ask your friend what they liked and didn't like, and from there suggest episodes that you think they might enjoy more. Plus they'll have dipped their toe in at that point, and might be more conducive to checking out some of the stronger 2-parters or knowing enough about the show to understand the big multi-episode finales/ongoing storylines etc.
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Dec 3, 2015 04:49
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Midnight could go into Horror/suspense or Character Analysis. Famous enemy could be Nightmare in Silver, though I enjoyed that more than most did I think. It's also kind of goofy to see a Cyberman move at hyper-speed and only one to be seen as a major threat, then see loads of them in old episodes lurching around. The Pandorica opens should be in there somewhere too, or do the episode before that to see all his enemies teaming up against him. Oh, and Doctor's Wife is a great episode, but not the first one you want to show them. May as well start with Eleventh hour.
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For Ten's character I'd say midnight. it's also good as a stand alone ep. The girl who waited should be in the list somewhere.
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I think The Girl Who Waited is excellent, but I also think it's an episode that works best with more intimate knowledge of 11, Amy and their history together (same with The God Complex. It's like Caves of Androzani, it's a really fantastic story and one I absolutely recommend watching, but NOT as an introduction to the show and especially not to Peter Davison/the Fifth Doctor.
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Rhyno posted:David Tennant is voicing Fugitoid on the new TMNT series! I didn't recognize his voice until the newest episode where the character giggles and I was like "Doctor?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7snWptj-N9Q He's actually a Professor, not a Doctor, thank you  .
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Yeah, that's the reason I was pretty hesitant on both Human Nature and Heaven Sent; they're both pretty good, and they're both largely standalone plot-wise (the actual confession dial/Gallifrey ending of Heaven Sent isn't, but the really good parts of it are just fine in isolation), but to really get them you need to know the actual characters better. Midnight is a fantastic selection for a look at Ten as a character, and I also thought of the Silence in the Library two-parter for that too. I'm not sure why I didn't think of them, given what brought this on was that I was mentioning how similar Tennant's role as Killgrave is to the Tenth Doctor, and those two really show it, Midnight especially.
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I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? I have never seen Doctor Who in my life. What should I do next? Start with the Tennants? Start raw with latest Season? I'm not really keep on starting from original series all the way till now though...too much time.
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Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? This was a very different type of episode to what the show is normally like. The nice thing about Doctor Who is that happens a lot though, the format allows a lot of scope for experimentation. You could either start from the beginning of this season or the previous to catch up on the current lead actor's time in the role/major stories and see his relationship develop with the other main cast member. The only issue is that this season and the last kind of relies on familiarity with the show over the last few years, but if you enjoyed this latest episode despite the climax referencing something you have no idea about that might not be a problem for you. The former lead actor had three seasons and a highly lauded 50th Anniversary special which was incredibly fun to watch. I highly recommend his first ever story - The Eleventh Hour - which is a tremendously enjoyable episode that only requires you to know that the Doctor is an alien who travels in a box that is bigger on the inside (which you learn in the episode too!). If you like that, consider watching all of season 5, which is regularly praised as arguably the best season of the revival of the show (everything from 2005 on).
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Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? the show has been given a sort of soft reboot several times, the last being the start of season 5, which is a good season. season 1 - 4 has a lot of good episodes, but they look really outdated now. They looked outdated when they aired, frankly. But both Eccleston and Tennant are good doctors. The classic episodes are sort of a different beast then modern episodes and can be ignored if you don't like them.
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Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? Well, officially the series is 52 years old, so no, going back from the beginning isn't probably all that wise.
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Rhyno posted:David Tennant is voicing Fugitoid on the new TMNT series! I didn't recognize his voice until the newest episode where the character giggles and I was like "Doctor?"
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Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? Man, do I envy you. Start with Eccleston and work through. It's a bit of a rough start and there are definitely some terrible episodes throughout, but there is some brilliant television in there.
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Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this?
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Cleretic posted:Action starring a famous enemy: Dalek, Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel, Asylum of the Daleks(?), Into the Dalek The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
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Journey's End? Big doofy actiony mess with Daleks.
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I feel like Waters of Mars would be a good choice, although I don't know if the whole "Time Lord victorious" thing hits as hard of you don't have that baseline of what the Doctor should be to compare to. Comedy option: The End of Time  (hey, it worked for me)
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The_Doctor posted:Journey's End? Big doofy actiony mess with Daleks. For a newcomer? It's a bunch of characters all showing up for (eventually) a big ol' celebration of the RTD era. It's a lot of fun to watch, but I imagine it would be pretty goddamn confusing if you didn't know who any of them were.
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No love for The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit? Rewatched it yesterday, it's held up pretty well, and is such a classic base-under-siege set up. It has a surprising amount of quiet character moments too, in contrast to the break neck pace we've had since late RTD. 10s scenes down on the planet are great for showing just what he thinks of humans. Half awe, half paternal pride, half frustration.
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Actually, good point, 'base under siege' is a category all its own. Dalek, Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, 42 (arguably), Planet of the Ood, Silence in the Library, Midnight (room under siege?), Waters of Mars, God Complex, Cold War, Mummy on the Orient Express, Under the Lake
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Yeah, that's a pretty drat solid 2-parter, the second half doesn't quite live up to the first but it's still pretty good.
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Cleretic posted:Analysis of character: Father's Day or Dalek, Human Nature/Family of Blood(?), The Eleventh Hour, Mummy on the Orient Express or Heaven Sent The Fires of Pompeii is one of Tennant's best episodes in that regard. You could watch The Runaway Bride first, if you want some lead-up, but it absolutely works on its own. There is just something very relatable about the whole dilemma. Artelier posted:I just saw the latest episode and loved it. Are all the episodes like this? If you loved Capaldi in this episode, you should start with series 8. He changes quite drastically throughout his first series, but it will probably give you more of what you saw in Heaven Sent than any of the other series. Series 5 is also a really good starting point, but It's tonally a lot less bleak.
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I always feel kinda sorry for people who's first introduction to a series is a completely atypical example of it.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:I always feel kinda sorry for people who's first introduction to a series is a completely atypical example of it. "This is really great, are there more like it?" "No, none!" 
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Ahahahaha. I watched Brain of Morbius again with the commentary, and they made many good points about the production values: - A more darkly lit set actually made it more believable. - All hail Bob Holmes! - Real fire near a leading actor in a studio for extra thrill points - Elizabeth Sladen was at pains to praise the pace of old Who vs NuWho - Tom Baker laughing at all the sarcastic one-liners including his own ad-libs. - No one knows all of the girls who played the Mara are because the detailed production notes were destroyed deliberately by the BBC as a matter of policy.
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ewe2 posted:Ahahahaha. I watched Brain of Morbius again with the commentary, and they made many good points about the production values: I really need to listen to the commentaries sometime. It’s so much fun to learn about the behind the scenes stuff.
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Rochallor posted:I assume "bigger on the outside" technology also works with cities, so there might be just like six or seven cities (there's the capital city, and the one that got destroyed in Day of the Doctor, right?) with billions of people in each of them. I like the idea that the Time Lords have basically gone up their own asses instead of stepping out into the rest of their planet. Haha that's a perfect way of putting it.
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The_Doctor posted:"This is really great, are there more like it?" I suppose it depends on what's good about the episode. Heaven Sent is 99% one character talking to himself, which no other episode is, and it's got a much more sombre and funereal atmosphere than any other episode I can think of, but the little linguistic tricks (that's a hell of a bird!) and long-foreshadowed ending plot twists are pretty much hallmarks of the Moffat era in general, so on the strength of this episode you could probably safely recommend at least trying out Eleventh Hour, with the caveat that as a kid's show the tone is generally way lighter. Overall I've decided that Heaven Sent is the episode I'd say "if you only watch one episode of Doctor Who watch this" as it's relatively standalone (Clara's just his lost Lenore, the Hybrid's just a mcguffin that's the reason he's trapped here) and so well executed.
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So, it's been a while since I checked, but do we still watch episodes on occasion in the IRC channel?
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Attitude Indicator posted:season 1 - 4 has a lot of good episodes, but they look really outdated now. They looked outdated when they aired, frankly. But both Eccleston and Tennant are good doctors. If you grew up watching The Demon Headmaster on CBBC (  ), you'll have no problems with the first four seasons.
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