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Black Baby Goku posted:Neither is racism. Not as long as you're still alive, at any rate.
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PerpetualSelf posted:I recently read this article which lays out the history of privilege and identity politics. Backbiting Marxist screeds blaming the failure of the revolution on other liberals are the best Marxist screeds IMHO
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Sep 23, 2015 07:00
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PerpetualSelf posted:I give zero motherfucking gently caress fucks about whether or not it is fashionable. Actually the problem with the American left is that they stop caring about workers the instant they inconvenience the middle class in some way, like going on strike or SedanChair posted:You can actually address racism without tackling capitalism at the same time. Which is good because capitalism ain't going anywhere. To a certain degree, maybe, but I wonder how well it would stick. Capitalism tends to encourage racism in order to divide the working class and turn them against each other. A lot of anti-Hispanic racism in the US, for example, boils down to economic concerns ("dem darned immigrants takin are jobs") or perception of differing work ethics ("those lazy shiftless Mexicans dont understand how to do real work like a real American"). Of course, crime has become a common topic against Hispanics as well, but I suspect that's a result of the racism rather than a cause of it.
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Main Paineframe posted:Actually the problem with the American left is that they stop caring about workers the instant they inconvenience the middle class in some way, like going on strike or To bring it back to the original topic, the problem is that (primarily white) workers have terrible or at least incompatible social views, and they need to be changed. Fortunately, this seems to be working in the long run. Main Paineframe posted:To a certain degree, maybe, but I wonder how well it would stick. Capitalism tends to encourage racism in order to divide the working class and turn them against each other. A lot of anti-Hispanic racism in the US, for example, boils down to economic concerns ("dem darned immigrants takin are jobs") or perception of differing work ethics ("those lazy shiftless Mexicans dont understand how to do real work like a real American"). Of course, crime has become a common topic against Hispanics as well, but I suspect that's a result of the racism rather than a cause of it. You should read up on the history of colonizing Texas. There's a reason why the Texas Rangers are not very popular among Hispanics.
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Sep 23, 2015 12:29
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computer parts posted:There's a reason why the Texas Rangers are not very popular among Hispanics. 
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I think identity politics is when you kick gays, blacks, and women out of your organization and then accuse them of betraying the cause when they start their own
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Sep 23, 2015 19:55
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And try to convince them that the only way to achieve their goals is to fight for your goals instead and then poof everything becomes paradise because of it.
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Sep 23, 2015 20:06
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So identity politics kicked out all these people who now have to start the revolution on their own which is harder, thus successfully preventing class revolution. I guess the OP was right.
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Sep 23, 2015 20:07
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VitalSigns posted:I think identity politics is when you kick gays, blacks, and women out of your organization and then accuse them of betraying the cause when they start their own 1337JiveTurkey posted:And try to convince them that the only way to achieve their goals is to fight for your goals instead and then poof everything becomes paradise because of it. These two answers, but unironically.
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Sep 23, 2015 21:46
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Anything that helps someone but doesn't help white dudes is Identity Politics.
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Sep 24, 2015 03:02
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Anything that happens to help white dudes alongside black dudes is racist, btw I'm a liberal and will be voting for hillary clinton.
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Sep 24, 2015 04:19
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:These two answers, but unironically. This, but unironically
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Sep 24, 2015 06:33
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It was, OP.
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Main Paineframe posted:Actually the problem with the American left is that they stop caring about workers the instant they inconvenience the middle class in some way, like going on strike or Or when East Asians were perceived as working too hard. And so white people would assuage their hurt feelings by asserting that their work was more Creative and of a Higher Quality. It's funny that identity politics has been pushing East Asians and Arabs and Hispanics towards the Democrats voting bloc. Good job white people. Also who still remembers when Arabs were a Model Minority?
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Phobophilia posted:Also who still remembers when Arabs were a Model Minority? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xsi-t4miTU
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computer parts posted:Anything that helps someone but doesn't help white dudes is Identity Politics. This. Remember that Roland Emmerich is currently accusing people of indulging in shrill identity politics when they point out that his movie about Stonewall literally lies about history in order to put a masculine white dude at the center.
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Bel_Canto posted:This. Remember that Roland Emmerich is currently accusing people of indulging in shrill identity politics when they point out that his movie about Stonewall literally lies about history in order to put a masculine white dude at the center. There are many versions of what happened at Stonewall. e: so yes, literally shrill identity politics. Miltank fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 18:32
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There's exactly one picture from the first night of the Stonewall riots.
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Powercrazy posted:Anything that happens to help white dudes alongside black dudes is racist, btw I'm a liberal and will be voting for hillary clinton. You finally figured it out, the goal is white genocide.
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Let`s say all the ethnic, religious and sexual minorities get 100% of what they want and never tries to do more then that. Would that be so bad, their life is better and Capitalism becomes more stable because of it. Meanwhile the workers would never have suceeded anyway. So it`s a net gain for everyone no matter how you spin it.
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Baudolino posted:Let`s say all the ethnic, religious and sexual minorities get 100% of what they want and never tries to do more then that. Would that be so bad, their life is better and Capitalism becomes more stable because of it. Meanwhile the workers would never have suceeded anyway. So it`s a net gain for everyone no matter how you spin it. Lol u a liberal.
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There isn't really "class revolution" per se, there is revolution full stop and identity politics were developed to prevent it.
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One of the more interesting little studies I've had the pleasure to read showed a strong correlation between complaining about "identity politics" and sexual impotence. I believe it was in JAMA, about four years ago.
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Effectronica posted:One of the more interesting little studies I've had the pleasure to read showed a strong correlation between complaining about "identity politics" and sexual impotence. I believe it was in JAMA, about four years ago. I saw a study that says your gay lol.
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Thug Lessons posted:I saw a study that says your gay lol. See, dickless here just provided an example of a syndrome associated with the impotence. Eventually, it may even cause destruction of penile tissue, but he doesn't have to worry about that.
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Effectronica posted:See, dickless here just provided an example of a syndrome associated with the impotence. Eventually, it may even cause destruction of penile tissue, but he doesn't have to worry about that. Do you have any burns that don't come from GBS circa 2009
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Thug Lessons posted:Do you have any burns that don't come from GBS circa 2009 I interpret the effort rule as also imposing a ceiling so that posts in a thread stay roughly commensurate with each other and so I'm just posting at the level of intellectualism and creativity shown in this thread so far.
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Effectronica posted:I interpret the effort rule as also imposing a ceiling so that posts in a thread stay roughly commensurate with each other and so I'm just posting at the level of intellectualism and creativity shown in this thread so far. The gently caress you talking about? gently caress off weirdo.
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Does "agreeing not to indenture white people so that they won't object to enslaving black people" count as inventing identity politics to prevent class revolution?
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workers have demands, some of them self-harmful -> legislators pass only the self-harmful ones -> working class gets weaker and less loud until they figure it out -> go to 1 It's no accident that the first US labor legal victory was the Chinese Exclusion Act
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Effectronica posted:You finally figured it out, the goal is white genocide. No, the goal is to trick useful idiots like yourself into supporting economically regressive policies by casting people that are superficially different from yourself as your enemy. Although to be fair "trick" is much too generous a word to use when referring to someone of your limited cognitive abilities.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:47
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Effectronica posted:You finally figured it out, the goal is white genocide. Not being able to call someone a friend of the family in public without a bunch of your fellow whites reacting in shock and disgust is white genocide.
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Sep 25, 2015 02:59
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If you point out that a socialist is a sexist or racist idiot, you're impeding progress, not their awful views!
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Sep 25, 2015 03:08
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What if, secretly, race and ethnicity are more important than class?
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Powercrazy posted:No, the goal is to trick useful idiots like yourself into supporting economically regressive policies by casting people that are superficially different from yourself as your enemy. Are you aware that most of the people in this thread support roughly the same economic policies as you. People who would vote for Hilary Clinton aren't doing it solely because she's a woman, even if they're feminists and cite that as one of the reasons. They are also at best ambivalent about her being a neoliberal. It's also not very hard to convince such people about class war, unless they were very committed to liberalism in the first place, in which case their level of interest in "identity politics" was never the real problem. It's significantly harder to convert people if you sneer at them about problems that they have faced and know are real, though. You could also argue that the bourgeoisie is only superficially different from the proletariat on an individual level. We're all like, human, man. Both Marxist thought and work in "identity politics" stresses that "the bourgeoisie", "whiteness" and the rest refer to systems and not the individuals that comprise them. Retards who don't understand this are common on the left as well as in "identity politics". There's literally no difference between someone saying "kill all men" and "ACAB", they are inflammatory phrases that deliberately blur the lines demarcated in the denser literature for rhetorical effect.
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On the other hand, the Bourgeoisie are scum and should all be killed.
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Thug Lessons posted:There isn't really "class revolution" per se, there is revolution full stop and identity politics were developed to prevent it. Close; the idea of identity politics was designed to prevent revolution. Remember, who is bitching about identity politics? White dudes who don't directly benefit from it. It's no coincidence that poor whites are most likely to vote Republican (about evenly divided, versus 80+% Dem for all others).
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Powercrazy posted:No, the goal is to trick useful idiots like yourself into supporting economically regressive policies by casting people that are superficially different from yourself as your enemy. What are the identity politics related policies which are economically regressive?
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Badger of Basra posted:What are the identity politics related policies which are economically regressive? Any policy that helps minorities in the near future instead of full revolution now!
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