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Robot Anime feels derivative and referential to the point its incestuous, but I haven't seen tons of it so that's just my two cents.
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You know what's nigh-impossible to find? A mecha show where the mecha don't fly or get a flight upgrade halfway through. For a genre built around big stompy metal men hardly any mecha actually use their legs. I can't name ten shows that do it. The few that do it are great though.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:44
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I would say it's the difference between genre fiction and literary fiction, though that's not to say there aren't outstanding works within genre fiction or that it's wrong to like it, but the distinction is useful and exists for a reason. robot anime is one type of genre fiction, which means that it's more likely than the anime equivalent of literary fiction (the tatami galaxy? idk?? i don't really follow anime much anymore) to simply be a derivative work that isn't interested in being more than what it is. I would say this is shows like Buddy Complex, Argevollen, Vulvashave the Labiarazor, etc
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Sep 27, 2015 03:44
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Sharkopath posted:Robot Anime feels derivative and referential to the point its incestuous, but I haven't seen tons of it so that's just my two cents. It gets weird in that regard though I do enjoy it when they come up with new takes on well traveled roads.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:46
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Sharkopath posted:Robot Anime feels derivative and referential to the point its incestuous, but I haven't seen tons of it so that's just my two cents. Yes I'd say this is a major problem with the genre (and not just this genre, anything else that falls into the kind of genre/literary divide that i mentioned before) and it's almost historical. It's strange when even shows that are, nominally, not toy commercials, still find themselves hitting the same pitholes that the Literal Actual Toy Commercials did, and it's because it's what the creators and producers grew up with and it's like a negative feedback loop. A rock being run smooth of all its intricacies and differentiating qualities by a river current.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:47
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Srice posted:Also I am only human, and will admit that while seeing people driven mad when 2 Gundams were airing at the same time was kinda amusing, it did in some ways break my spirit. I emerged from that fire loving robot anime even more
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Sep 27, 2015 03:48
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Reds posted:You know what's nigh-impossible to find? A mecha show where the mecha don't fly or get a flight upgrade halfway through. Hmm Votoms Xabungle Patlabor (Not counting that one mech in the tv series but it was intentionally ridiculous compared to what they had) Galient Dougram Broken Blade maybe? (I only saw a few of those movies, not all of them) Argevollen (lack of air travel was actually a factor for that show too) I am sure there are a few I'm missing that could make 10
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Sep 27, 2015 03:49
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I still wish the lambda driver had been less prevalent in FMP...
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Sep 27, 2015 03:49
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Srice posted:Hmm Big O!
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Sep 27, 2015 03:50
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Reds posted:You know what's nigh-impossible to find? A mecha show where the mecha don't fly or get a flight upgrade halfway through. Argevollen, The Big O, M3, Nobunaga the Fool (iirc), Basquash, Gad Guard, Dai-Guard, Xabungle if you don't count some of the component vehicles being able to fly, Zoids if you don't count the obvious bird/pterodactyls, and Evangelion if you don't count Rebuild. There's probably tons more, though admittedly probably mostly in the 80s and 90s. There's also bunches of OVAs but it's cheating since the ones I think of are a single episode lol. Not even counting things that go into space because that's basically the same thing as flying!
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Sep 27, 2015 03:51
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It's been awhile since I watched it, but I think only one robot in Gun x Sword could fly.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:51
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Zoids are the coolest robots and I would definitely watch a new series that will never happen.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:52
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Reds posted:You know what's nigh-impossible to find? A mecha show where the mecha don't fly or get a flight upgrade halfway through. Gundam 0080 Gundam 08th MS Team VOTOMS Mellowlink Turn A Gundam (right? I think the Turn A technically could fly with it's radiator legs, but almost never did) Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy Flag Blue Gender Dougram uhhhh does it count if only one robot can fly and that's a specific power it has to differentiate it from the other robots? In that case, Gundam X
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Sep 27, 2015 03:52
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Deathsaurer is strongest!!
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Sep 27, 2015 03:52
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Srice posted:Hmm Escaflowne, M3, a couple of others that are escaping me. The point is, I shouldn't have to struggle to reach ten or so.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:53
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Gyra_Solune posted:Argevollen, The Big O, M3, Nobunaga the Fool (iirc), Basquash, Gad Guard, Dai-Guard, Xabungle if you don't count some of the component vehicles being able to fly, Zoids if you don't count the obvious bird/pterodactyls, and Evangelion if you don't count Rebuild. Dai Guard got a upgrade towards the end that let it turn into three Getter style planes
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Sep 27, 2015 03:53
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I really liked Gasaraki
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Sep 27, 2015 03:54
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boom boom boom posted:Dai Guard got a upgrade towards the end that let it turn into three Getter style planes That's not really flight though since they aren't in humanoid form. Otherwise you'd have to disqualify stuff like FMP for having flight packs for travel. Anyway, the point is it's a vast minority. Reds fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Sep 27, 2015 03:54
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Escaflowne had robots that could fly e: oh, not if alternate forms don't count i guess
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Sep 27, 2015 03:55
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How do we get our multimillion murdermachines to the battlefield? strap an f14 to it and load up on amraams and sidewinders
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Sep 27, 2015 03:56
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dogsicle posted:Escaflowne had robots that could fly Transformed into dragons that could fly 
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Sep 27, 2015 03:57
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Reds posted:That's not really flight though since they aren't in humanoid form. in that case what about transforming stuff like Macross or Zeta Gundam?
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Sep 27, 2015 03:58
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muike posted:Yes I'd say this is a major problem with the genre (and not just this genre, anything else that falls into the kind of genre/literary divide that i mentioned before) and it's almost historical. It's strange when even shows that are, nominally, not toy commercials, still find themselves hitting the same pitholes that the Literal Actual Toy Commercials did, and it's because it's what the creators and producers grew up with and it's like a negative feedback loop. A rock being run smooth of all its intricacies and differentiating qualities by a river current. I'd really like to see a show that brings on talent that haven't been involved in mecha shows, it would be neat to see what happens.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:59
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muike posted:I really liked Gasaraki I was just thinking of that in context of the "no flying" question, but then I couldn't remember whether the opposing force mechs got flight packs. Anyway, I liked parts of Gasaraki a lot and disliked parts of it just as strongly, so it's a mixed bag for me.
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Sep 27, 2015 03:59
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I can imagine it now, a Shinbo-directed mecha show. The robot is doing the backwards head tilt...
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Sep 27, 2015 03:59
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Sakurazuka posted:Transformed into dragons that could fly That and the regular Guymelefs flew when all compacted. Didn't the cat assassins have flying robots too?
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Sep 27, 2015 04:00
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Srice posted:I'd really like to see a show that brings on talent that haven't been involved in mecha shows, it would be neat to see what happens. Iron Blooded Orphans starts in like, a week.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:00
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boom boom boom posted:Iron Blooded Orphans starts in like, a week. There are a decent number of examples of shows that had directors that hadn't been involved with the genre much though they'd have writers that have been. Star Driver is one that comes to my mind. Mari Okada has a few different mecha shows to her name, though I did enjoy Evol so I am looking forward to it.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:03
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boom boom boom posted:in that case what about transforming stuff like Macross or Zeta Gundam? Well the Zeta's alt form is mostly for travel and isn't used terribly often in combat if I recall correctly, while the other MS with alt forms used theirs a bit more actively because they were designed to be more combat-ready in those forms. Macross is three quarters jet, one quarter mecha. It's not a mecha that transforms into a jet, it's a jet that transforms into a mecha. Macross is jets first, mecha later.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:03
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Also, Gundam Origin and 0083. no flight or mid season flight upgrades.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:04
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look at this noob that doesn't know amuro can make the gundam fly amuro: it's really more like jumping me: TOBE GUNDAM
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Sep 27, 2015 04:05
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boom boom boom posted:Also, Gundam Origin and 0083. no flight or mid season flight upgrades. I tend to not include Gundam in the "no flight" category because they take place primarily in space which is effectively similar. Space is really boring for combat for the same reason as flight: there's no environmental interaction beyond a few random asteroids. When you're on the ground you have the restriction of what-goes-up-must-come-down and have to take the environment into account.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:07
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dogsicle posted:That and the regular Guymelefs flew when all compacted. Didn't the cat assassins have flying robots too? Yeah, they did, they looked like spikier, nastier versions of the normal Guymelefs if I remember correctly.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:07
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Also besides IBO I think I have also reached a point in Aquarion Logos where I am genuinely liking it, so I'll have that to watch next season as well.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:07
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you can't really count Gundam because basically all of those mechs ever are designed primarily to work in space and the legs are some scientific thing for inertial control that just happen to work okay at stomping about on land
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Sep 27, 2015 04:07
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Season 1 of code geass was great for urban combat. rollerskates, grappling hooks, and robots that were so small you had to put the cockpit on the back
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Sep 27, 2015 04:08
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I would not call it amazing by any means but it's kinda neat how it feels like a modernized take on a 70s super robot show. The fights are mostly dull but I like the characters, and also there was an episode where Aquarion turned into a rabbit.
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Sep 27, 2015 04:08
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Reds posted:I tend to not include Gundam in the "no flight" category because they take place primarily in space which is effectively similar. Space is really boring for combat for the same reason as flight: there's no environmental interaction beyond a few random asteroids. When you're on the ground you have the restriction of what-goes-up-must-come-down and have to take the environment into account. Man you should read Gundam Thunderbolt. It's about robot combat in the remains of a wrecked space colony, and they interact the poo poo out of their environment
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Sep 27, 2015 04:08
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Srice posted:Also besides IBO I think I have also reached a point in Aquarion Logos where I am genuinely liking it, so I'll have that to watch next season as well. Logos just reached the point where it's clearly going to stop loving around and let stuff get real That said it would've been amazing if erasing 90% of the everything in the world had somehow stuck and the rest of the show followed our heroes trying to save a world full of people that can barely recognize what their butts are let alone anything around them.
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I wish there was a good model of the basic Guymelef design...they're really cool. 
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