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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Dave Syndrome posted:



Not so sure about the Swedish Chef being called Megan. Did I miss a joke there?

It's his accent. "Who do I make this out to?" "Me-gan"

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Major Ricardo
Jan 30, 2001
I don't know why people are looking for trans-gender subtext in the swedish chef.

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

Major Ricardo posted:

I don't know why people are looking for trans-gender subtext in the swedish chef.

Because TVIV goons are really bad at getting jokes.

Dave Syndrome
Jan 11, 2007
Look, Bernard. Bernard, look. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Bernard! Bernard. Bernard. Look, Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard! Look! Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Look, Bernard! Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Bern

Davros1 posted:

It's his accent. "Who do I make this out to?" "Me-gan"

:doh: I'm obtuse. That makes a lot more sense. He says "me", Applegate understands it as a female name. Got it.
(For what it's worth, English isn't my first language. I still have to adjust to the Swedish Chef's voice - I never know when it's supposed to make sense and when it's supposed to be gobbledygook. I grew up with German dubbed Muppets, and there the "Danish Cook" talked mostly in intelligible sentences, albeit with a silly Danish accent.)



DurosKlav posted:

Because TVIV goons are really bad at getting jokes.

So are Wikia editors, apparently.
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/The_Swedish_Chef

Muppet Wikia posted:

In episode 316, Danny Kaye, portraying the chef's uncle in a sketch, claims that the Swedish Chef's first name is Tom. However, since Kaye was not a blood relative in reality, this information may be considered apocryphal. Many years later on The Muppets, he identifies himself as Megan to actress and guest star Christina Applegate in "Bear Left Then Bear Write".

Dave Syndrome fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Oct 8, 2015

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

Dave Syndrome posted:

:doh: I'm obtuse. That makes a lot more sense. He says "me", Applegate understands it as a female name. Got it.
(For what it's worth, English isn't my first language. I still have to adjust to the Swedish Chef's voice - I never know when it's supposed to make sense and when it's supposed to be gobbledygook. I grew up with German dubbed Muppets, and there the "Danish Cook" talked mostly in intelligible sentences, albeit with a silly Danish accent.)


Well you have a legit excuse!

Dave Syndrome
Jan 11, 2007
Look, Bernard. Bernard, look. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Look. Bernard. Bernard. Bernard! Bernard. Bernard. Look, Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard! Look! Bernard! Bernard. Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Look, Bernard! Bernard! Bernard, look! Look! Bern

DurosKlav posted:

Well you have a legit excuse!

Maybe. German Muppets were strange, at any rate. For some reason we had different voices for the Kermit on the Muppet Show and the reporter Kermit on Sesame Street.

Muppet Show Kermit had a much gentler voice...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGTDGRfzpU8

...while Sesame Street Kermit sounded much closer to the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Zxro30ImU

But for the Muppet movies they mainly used the croaky Sesame Street voice. A bit jarring if you're used to the other one.

Also, as a bonus, here's the Danish Chef in German:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qrnxeCN1k

FetusSlapper
Jan 6, 2005

by exmarx
Who is the muppet that's the costumer/tailor? Looks like some kind of demon catfish. Also, who's the muppet that sounds like a really pissed off New Jersey resident all the time? I think he punched Fozzie in the first episode.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

FetusSlapper posted:

Who is the muppet that's the costumer/tailor? Looks like some kind of demon catfish.

Uncle Deadly, aka The Phantom of the Muppet Show

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Uncle_Deadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqFVMAf8p4E

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Oct 8, 2015

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

FetusSlapper posted:

Who is the muppet that's the costumer/tailor? Looks like some kind of demon catfish. Also, who's the muppet that sounds like a really pissed off New Jersey resident all the time? I think he punched Fozzie in the first episode.

That is Uncle Deadly, he's pretty chill

Clamknuckle
Sep 7, 2006

Groovy
The only thing I didn't like about this episode was that there was no Lew Zealand sighting.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

FetusSlapper posted:

Also, who's the muppet that sounds like a really pissed off New Jersey resident all the time? I think he punched Fozzie in the first episode.

Big Mean Carl?
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Mean_Carl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCRUPWDIgYM

He has anger issues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZaGKvtmVQk

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Oct 8, 2015

FetusSlapper
Jan 6, 2005

by exmarx

Thanks, as much as I loved the muppet movies/70's tv show as a kid, I never really watched the 80s or 90's tv shows much. I've seen most of the new muppets on the music video type things they've released on youtube(which are all awesome) but I don't really know anything about them.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

FetusSlapper posted:

Thanks, as much as I loved the muppet movies/70's tv show as a kid, I never really watched the 80s or 90's tv shows much. I've seen most of the new muppets on the music video type things they've released on youtube(which are all awesome) but I don't really know anything about them.

Yeah he was one of the new Muppets that appeared in the 90s so I had to look him up as well. He had a quick cameo in the Bohemian Rhapsody video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY

FetusSlapper
Jan 6, 2005

by exmarx

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah he was one of the new Muppets that appeared in the 90s so I had to look him up as well. He had a quick cameo in the Bohemian Rhapsody video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY

I remember him from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCRUPWDIgYM unless your're talking about the uncle deadly guy. I don't get that one, a sinister looking cthulu cousin with an english accent?

Picklepuss
Jul 12, 2002

FetusSlapper posted:

Thanks, as much as I loved the muppet movies/70's tv show as a kid, I never really watched the 80s or 90's tv shows much.
If you missed Muppets Tonight then count yourself lucky.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

FetusSlapper posted:

unless your're talking about the uncle deadly guy. I don't get that one, a sinister looking cthulu cousin with an english accent?

He's a classic Muppet from original season 1 way back in 1977!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoP9x11VZK0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jv2zkYCjxI

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


What is the IT guy from?

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What is the IT guy from?

The Jim Henson Hour in 1989 which rated so badly it was cancelled before the end of the season.

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/The_Jim_Henson_Hour
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Gorilla_Television

Canned Panda
Jul 10, 2012




Snowglobe of Doom posted:

The Jim Henson Hour in 1989 which rated so badly it was cancelled before the end of the season.

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/The_Jim_Henson_Hour
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Gorilla_Television

The Jim Henson Hour had The Storyteller though

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Canned Panda posted:

The Jim Henson Hour had The Storyteller though

The rest of it was ..... less than good.

Skip to 14:30 in this video for the first appearance of Chip (the IT guy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZSH39-V08

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I think it might have been implying that the Swedish Chef is a woman.

Hey, gender is fluid.

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

I for one was confused by the Megan joke.

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
Would this show benefit from a stronger sense of continuity?

Take just Fozzie's storylines, for example. He's dating a human woman whose parents don't approve. Plotline over? Or, you could have them see each other in secret the next episode, which cultivates his bad boy image, leading to him stealing/breaking Leno's already-stolen candy dish to impress her. Third episode, when the bad boy stuff fizzles out, he decides he has to be more than a comedian to win her (parents') approval, so he sets off to become a writer. Etc, etc, etc. Right now, he's just too far removed from the other Muppets, where he is, canonically, at his worst.

Still love Bobo, though. Never change, bro-ther.

Ravane
Oct 23, 2010

by LadyAmbien

Lizard Wizard posted:

I for one was confused by the Megan joke.

But the thing is, without missing a beat when Applegate says, "you go girl", he does the stereotypical gay snap thing. Which leads me to believe that he completely understood what Applegate insinuated and either mockingly snapped or did it in acceptance. :confused:

SweetMercifulCrap!
Jan 28, 2012
Lipstick Apathy
Show's pretty good so far and definitely has some wit, and they're using the characters really well, but it could use a little work. Like, drama between Miss Piggy and her guest star has been a main focus of all three episodes. The only overarching story element seems to be that Kermit and Piggy are split up, and this stuff just isn't interesting enough to carry the episodes.

Also something feels a little off and I can't quite explain it -

Edit: Actually after thinking about it a bit, I know exactly what it is. They seem to be trying to mimic The Office in every aspect, right down to the subdued, depressing tone. The Muppets can be PG-13 but they need a positive tone and more lively pacing. The tone and pacing of Parks and Recreation seems much more suitable for them... Parks and Rec felt like The Muppets in its late seasons anyway.

Gonna assume the show is just finding its voice though and will improve... if it gets a chance.

SweetMercifulCrap! fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 12, 2015

Canned Panda
Jul 10, 2012




I love watching everyone argue about the gender identity of felt.

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
The fourth episode is pretty much everything I want from this new Muppet show.

Drunk Muppets & Karaoke. Excellent. Plus Beaker & Honeydew? Gotta love how they keep screwing with the audience when it comes to this stuff.

Sam also cracked me right up.

The only weak part was Fozzie's plot resolution (again). I really don't know why they're pushing Fozzie so much. Rolf or even Sam could be more interesting.


Are the ratings holding up for the program?

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!
In the old backstory, Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo were the BFFs who staked out to get into showbiz. It's weird that out of the three of them, Gonzo is actually being demoted (and the complete retool of his personality, but that's another subject entirely)

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
Gonzo's current personality works for me. Mainly because I always thought his chicken loving was weird as gently caress.

Canned Panda
Jul 10, 2012




Tonight's episode is really, really good.

Swedish Chef has a few good moments even outside of what they showed in the preview.

Major Ricardo
Jan 30, 2001
The Swedish Chef has a wedding ring. Gay marriage or straight marriage, who knows.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Oh my God, the Chef rapping is great.

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
No one should sing Don't Stop Believin'. Neither being drunk nor made of felt is an excuse.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

delfin posted:

No one should sing Don't Stop Believin'. Neither being drunk nor made of felt is an excuse.

Looks like this guy isn't believing enough.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Yup, this show is great. Countdown to cancellation starts now.

Mr. Boogie
Apr 1, 2013

Is a meat patty something or nothing?
Seriously, why is Fozzie separated from everyone every single episode? This is getting super weird.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Mr. Boogie posted:

Seriously, why is Fozzie separated from everyone every single episode? This is getting super weird.

Not really.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


No, I agree. Fozzie constantly getting his own plot that separates him from everyone else on the show is one of the series' drawbacks and it's weird that they keep going back to it every week.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
I probably wouldnt notice if it didn't get mentioned here.

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Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


inthesto posted:

In the old backstory, Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo were the BFFs who staked out to get into showbiz. It's weird that out of the three of them, Gonzo is actually being demoted (and the complete retool of his personality, but that's another subject entirely)

I actually really like the way Gonzo is being written. His whole thing is that he loves making weird avant-garde art. He's the kind of guy who enjoys things that are strange, theatrical, and over the top. In other words he's the kind of guy who would loving hate working as a joke writer on a late night talk show. It's not that he's arrogant or thinks he's better than his co-workers; it's just that this really isn't the kind of art he wants to be making. Everything he does has this subtle depressed hint of "So this is what we're doing now? Seriously? gently caress it, fine, whatever...I've got bills to pay so I might as well roll with it." He dislikes what he's doing, but he's professional so he tries not to be overt about it.

Also: I thought Sam's crush on Janis was cute :3:

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