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RaceBannon
Apr 3, 2010
Islam needs reformation

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Al Borland
Oct 29, 2006

by XyloJW
Allah is often referred to as the moon god. Man has been to the moon and nobody is there.
What do you have to say about this?

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
Why is he the moon God idgi?

BrawndoTQ
Oct 18, 2001

Cerebral Mayhem posted:

What does Allah need with a starship?

To blast off into mother fuckin' space!!!!!

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RaceBannon
Apr 3, 2010
“Wishful thinking about the peaceful tolerance of Islam cannot interpret away this reality: hands are still cut off, women still stoned and enslaved, just as the Prophet Muhammad decided centuries ago.”
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Infidel

“Multiculturalism should not mean that we tolerate another culture’s intolerance. If we do in fact support diversity, women’s rights, and gay rights, then we cannot in good conscience give Islam a free pass on the grounds of multicultural sensitivity.”
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now

She's a good lady, that Ayaan. Read a couple of her books and she makes a lot of sense - has a unique perspective as a woman who has lived in Somalia and Saudi Arabia. She underwent female genital mutilation, went to Islamic schools, had an arranged marriage, emigrated to the West later renounced Islam and wrote the script to the controversial film "Submission" with Theo van Gogh (who was murdered by an Islamist fundamentalist).

Check her out guys! :)

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

i'm actually the one true god yeah it's me sorry about all the trouble trying to rope a nice big meteor into hitting this planet guys the pain and terror and horribleness will be over soon i promise and again so so so sorry for all of this

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

The Brown Menace posted:

unfortunately islam continues the apollonian tradition rather than the dionysian one and will thus die the death soon enough

not as soon as western culture, but eh. it will be exciting to see what rises in its place.

I like Dionysian theology because I'm high on OTC drugs

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

RaceBannon posted:

“Wishful thinking about the peaceful tolerance of Islam cannot interpret away this reality: hands are still cut off, women still stoned and enslaved, just as the Prophet Muhammad decided centuries ago.”
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Infidel

“Multiculturalism should not mean that we tolerate another culture’s intolerance. If we do in fact support diversity, women’s rights, and gay rights, then we cannot in good conscience give Islam a free pass on the grounds of multicultural sensitivity.”
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now

She's a good lady, that Ayaan. Read a couple of her books and she makes a lot of sense - has a unique perspective as a woman who has lived in Somalia and Saudi Arabia. She underwent female genital mutilation, went to Islamic schools, had an arranged marriage, emigrated to the West later renounced Islam and wrote the script to the controversial film "Submission" with Theo van Gogh (who was murdered by an Islamist fundamentalist).

Check her out guys! :)

So she is to Islam what Ayn Rand is to socialism?

RaceBannon
Apr 3, 2010

Commie NedFlanders posted:

So she is to Islam what Ayn Rand is to socialism?

Nope!

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
*in Solid Snake voice* Moon God!?

drowningidiot
Sep 27, 2014
I read a few passages from the Quran and it was really loving awful. It's basically "all you non-believers are dumb and will perish"

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:

drowningidiot posted:

I read a few passages from the Quran and it was really loving awful. It's basically "all you non-believers are dumb and will perish"

Yeah it's pretty bad, dont buy that authors books

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



drowningidiot posted:

I read a few passages from the Quran and it was really loving awful. It's basically "all you non-believers are dumb and will perish"

The Quran is really just bad Judeo-Christian fanfiction when you get down to it.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Also, the proud nation of Saudi Arabia, home to the holiest cities of Islam, is going to righteously execute a teenager by crucifixion, apparently:

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=174706

That Robot
Sep 16, 2004

ask me anything about robots
Buglord

CaptainSarcastic posted:

The Quran is really just bad Judeo-Christian fanfiction when you get down to it.

islam is to christianity and judaism what aquaman is to batman and superman

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



That Robot posted:

islam is to christianity and judaism what aquaman is to batman and superman

That's not a bad analogy, but I think I'd say it is more like the George Clooney Batman to Adam West's Batman to the original comic book Batman.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

CaptainSarcastic posted:

That's not a bad analogy, but I think I'd say it is more like the George Clooney Batman to Adam West's Batman to the original comic book Batman.


Its more like a refinement of the monotheistic ideal. Judaism is strictly monotheistic but inherently tribal, specific to a "chosen people." Christianity expands the franchise to all of humankind, but dilutes the monotheism with the concept of the Trinity and the dual nature of Jesus as Son of God. Islam is a more austere form monotheism which is not limited to a specific group of people.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Agag posted:

Its more like a refinement of the monotheistic ideal. Judaism is strictly monotheistic but inherently tribal, specific to a "chosen people." Christianity expands the franchise to all of humankind, but dilutes the monotheism with the concept of the Trinity and the dual nature of Jesus as Son of God. Islam is a more austere form monotheism which is not limited to a specific group of people.

So you agree with me.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.
Why is Monotheism so special?

Other than crushing any remnants of competing religions?

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

CaptainSarcastic posted:

So you agree with me.

We may have different premises.





khwarezm posted:

Why is Monotheism so special?

Other than crushing any remnants of competing religions?

Its not special per se, but we can simply chart the evolution of monotheism from through Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Islam. To me the primary characteristic of Islam is its simplicity and austerity. But not everyone wants that.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

It's just as oppressive if not more so than Christianity and Judaism so we should probably get rid of it

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Uncle Wemus posted:

It's just as oppressive if not more so than Christianity and Judaism so we should probably get rid of it

also no beer allowed, what a bad religion

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



In terms of Worst Religion it seems pretty clear that the one and two spots go to Islam and Christianity, but Hinduism makes a strong third-place showing.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

None if the big religions are kind to women or people who don't conform. Should probably reach out to the poor and marginalized more because nothing kills religion better than economic stability

rakovsky maybe
Nov 4, 2008

Uncle Wemus posted:

None if the big religions are kind to women or people who don't conform. Should probably reach out to the poor and marginalized more because nothing kills religion better than economic stability

The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on the planet. Atheism is for sadbrains.

Al Borland
Oct 29, 2006

by XyloJW

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Also, the proud nation of Saudi Arabia, home to the holiest cities of Islam, is going to righteously execute a teenager by crucifixion, apparently:

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=174706

Truly a wise and true religion.

A Stupid Baby
Dec 31, 2002

lip up fatty
when do the sufis and the gnostic xtians get together cut loose and learn about the true genesis of mankind in the days when the entire earth was a plant and the sun was one with the earth, and then the many gods attained godhood through various fel and base means, and the race of men were born into suffering and chaos, but in the fullness of time the gods will ossify and die out and the sons of men shall once again return to proper duality with the sun in heaven/nirvana/shangri'la

A Stupid Baby
Dec 31, 2002

lip up fatty
asking for a friend

Al Borland
Oct 29, 2006

by XyloJW

A Stupid Baby posted:

asking for a friend

We may never know the OP seems to have given up or lost faith.

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine


:boom:

lynch_69
Jan 21, 2001

The middle eastern religion I was born into is better than the middle eastern religion you were born into.

ProfessorYesNo
Dec 10, 2006
What ain't no country I ever heard of. They speak English in what?
I've got an actual question: what's the thinking behind Islam forbidding the depiction of humans or animals in art? Is like a vanity thing or what?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

ProfessorYesNo posted:

I've got an actual question: what's the thinking behind Islam forbidding the depiction of humans or animals in art? Is like a vanity thing or what?

They consider it to be idolatry.

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

also thats a sunni thing, shia are cool with drawing poo poo

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

only good islam was sufism

Immortan
Jun 6, 2015

by Shine

lynch_69 posted:

The middle eastern religion I was born into is better than the middle eastern religion you were born into.

Which is why the I/P conflict is going to cause WW3. Ancient hatreds and modern weapons; what could possibly go wrong? :monocle:

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Commie NedFlanders posted:

So she is to Islam what Ayn Rand is to socialism?

Did Ayn Rand advocate war, ethnic cleansing and terrorism? If so, yeah, pretty much. :)

Comrade Koba fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Sep 22, 2015

Tumblr of scotch
Mar 13, 2006

Please, don't be my neighbor.
Tell me about Ibadis and Ahmadiyyahs, the two branches everyone forgets about.

AlexanderCA
Jul 21, 2010

by Cyrano4747
I agree, know your enemy.
So how do we defeat Islam OP?

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TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

Comrade Koba posted:

Did Ayn Rand advocate war, ethnic cleansing and terrorism? If so, yeah, pretty much. :)

she was a fan of israel and idolized serial killers so sure

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