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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Sports Argument Stadium > Patrick Kane containment thread - Don't get technical with me in the lawyer thread
 
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Pat Clements
Feb 10, 2008
 It is worth repeating over and over and over again that bringing charges of rape or sexual assault is typically a very difficult process even when it involves two regular people off the street. It involves a lot of hurdle-jumping, telling a story about something awful that happened to you the same way to multiple people multiple times, and having the courage to publicly testify against your attacker in open court. All of these things taken individually are super difficult, and combined are almost impossible. When you throw in the fact the victim's attacker in this instance is a wealthy, extraordinarily high-profile athlete, it's even tougher to come forward.

Kane is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt here.

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Pat Clements
Feb 10, 2008

IBurnStuffAlot posted:

Yeah I brought this same point up, but its much more convenient to ignore it in favor of a normative view of the system
The other salient point to remember here is that "innocent until proven guilty" a) applies only to criminal trials, and there will be a civil one later no matter what; and b) is generally intended to reflect the sentiment of why we have procedural protections rather than preventing people from making moral judgments.

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Pat Clements
Feb 10, 2008

Duro posted:

A) I never claimed that rape cases are fabricated

B) What are you basing "there is a high degree of likelihood that Kane is guilty" on? Your blind belief in a rape accuser's story? Even if zero rape cases are fabricated, Kane is still entitled to a fair trial and to the presumption of innocence, whether he's an athlete or joe schmo.
This doesn't logically follow at all. You realize that, right?

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