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old thread got archived http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3703989 i got some new z-wave gadgets to play with though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfpanuJ2gA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTdbmzxLTg This will save me literally seconds at least twice a year! (p.s.: the habdroid gui loving sucks, those tiny buttons are near impossible to hit)
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what does tat thing do though... i have new big house and am wondering how difficult a system for determining if all doors are shut is? or even outdoor lighting can we talk abuot best places to get cheap outdoor LED lighting? whats the best power scheme to adopt for maximum compatibility? 12v????? ???? ? / / /
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Those valves are for my garden water spouts, I've got a pop-up lawn sprinkler that is now remote controllable Detecting door open/close states is pretty easy and reliable with z-wave magnet sensors and a usb z-wave controller stick, but detecting locked/unlocked states is trickier.. I think the cheapest solution might be to modify the door frame so that you can stuff a microswitch inside the latch plate so that it gets pushed by the deadbolt when the door is locked.
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echinopsis posted:what does tat thing do though... i have new big house and am wondering how difficult a system for determining if all doors are shut is? or even outdoor lighting I recommend outdoor cfls if you want to save energy and have lights that don't loving ever work
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the only way a smart home is cool, is if the AC isn't IoT.
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Some day I want to own a house
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if linux ain't desktop, then by extention it can't be whole house
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2015 year of Linux is the desktop
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Stereotype posted:Some day I want to own a house I've two, you can have one maniacdevnull posted:I recommend outdoor cfls if you want to save energy and have lights that don't loving ever work LEDs ? error1 posted:Those valves are for my garden water spouts, I've got a pop-up lawn sprinkler that is now remote controllable uhhh that sounds too complicated for me
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error1 posted:Those valves are for my garden water spouts, I've got a pop-up lawn sprinkler that is now remote controllable
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error1 posted:Those valves are for my garden water spouts, I've got a pop-up lawn sprinkler that is now remote controllable some guy tricked you in to buying a bunch of small expensive motors by putting Z in front of the product name
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Squeezy Farm posted:some guy tricked you in to buying a bunch of small expensive motors by putting Z in front of the product name And they're not even strong enough to turn the main water valves in my house, which is what I wanted to use them for originally! krysmopompas posted:where did you find this? i'm looking for something to retrofit onto my main water shutoff valve since all my leak sensors are good for is to tell me i better get home quick. http://domotica4all.com/product-review/motor-z-wave-for-14-turn-watergas-valves-brand-gr-smart-home/ For reliable leak prevention, it's probably better to have a plumber install a proper motorised valve. This thing is for the US market: http://www.fortrezz.com/index.php/products/water-valve
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error1 posted:And they're not even strong enough to turn the main water valves in my house, which is what I wanted to use them for originally! ahahaha please fix this and make it work an dput it in the cloud so someone from the security thread can find it and play back orifice or netbus or whatever and instead of opening and closing your CD drive its shutting off your houses water for an hour here and there
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My newest purchase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej3i0ab5GEw Unfortunately no way to control it over the internet  Also i replaced my Aeon Labs z-stick with a Razberry just because, it seems to work equally well with openHAB.  The raspberry pi 2 has a Pico UPS from pimodules and an 8 hour lipo battery. Pretty convenient when you need to carry it around and reprogram all your zwave modules!
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i just moved into a place with a dishwasher i am loving this smart home that washes my dishes for me
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also the washing machine is not on the ground floor. this is very convenient and good. smart homes rule.
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can we talk about japanese toilets in here
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maniacdevnull posted:I recommend outdoor cfls if you want to save energy and have lights that don't loving ever work CFL is so last decade, everything is all about the LED now just realized a few more lights to upgrade
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my stepdads beer posted:can we talk about japanese toilets in here echinopsis posted:please thought you didn't know what fetlife was echidnapenis: Japanese toilets (everything about it)
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Stereotype posted:Some day I want to own a house it's a trick, house owns you
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eschaton posted:CFL is so last decade, everything is all about the LED now my house is packed to the rafters with halogens so hjot right now
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echinopsis posted:my house is packed to the rafters with halogens I used to use a pair of 300W torcheries with extremely bright halogen bulbs to light just my living room in Mississippi, now I wince at how bright that must have been since just turning the one on in my much larger living room is almost too much
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my stepdads beer posted:can we talk about japanese toilets in here they're super worth it, The End
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duckfarts posted:they're super worth it, The End do they make just japanese toilet seats?
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yard salad posted:do they make just japanese toilet seats? with the little fountain of water that goes up your butt
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My smart home got 130 on an IQ test.
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why are smartplugs huge and $50 i'd be kinda interested if they were like <=$10 and the size of an apple wall charger
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The fibaro z-wave modules are all very small and neat, their smartplug have a nice indicator light too that cycles through colors depending on power usage If you want to monitor and control a bunch of outlets it's better to buy a multichannel z-wave extension cord like this one from greenwave 
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What happened to the other smart home nerds, did your houses burn down already? Look at all the bullshit you can do now with https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbCiH0oMCsc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nJZI4nQ7Q 
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yard salad posted:do they make just japanese toilet seats? yes, you can buy seats that go on top of your existing toilet and they are great too and come in a variety of types from simple butthole splashin to heated seats and heated water with different spray types and a remote control panel you mount on the wall that can play relaxing music or sikk jams from an sd card
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url posted:the only way a smart home is cool, is if the AC isn't IoT. i was worried when I bought my house with "smart wiring" but luckily all it meant was that there is a patch panel in the gentleman's wardrobe with no good way of patching ports to your switch (also there is a network port behind the master bed but none in the laundry)
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eschaton posted:is z-wave and zigbee a same thing? I'm just going to go ahead and paste my wall of text from the last thread... I'll shamefully admit to having a boatload of smart home things in my house. Here's the general overall synopsis: It's poo poo. The biggest issue is that there's a lot of different protocols from a lot of different vendors. Historically this wasn't the case. When you bought a Leviton system, you had to pay out the rear end for everything to be Leviton branded because that's all it would work with. If you were a zillionaire you'd go w/ Crestron or Control 4 or Savant or whatever but I'm going to leave dealer installed options out of the discussion. None of this poo poo would talk to each other across systems, but when you had an all Insteon system that you bought from the one company that makes that poo poo, it'd all generally work the way you'd expect it to. It was expensive-ish and limited in capability but it worked. Then some jackass got it in their head that the way forward was to make a hub that would control all sorts of stuff. Instead of one expensive vendor that sold a bunch of poo poo that would pretty much work together, you have vendors trying to orchestrate a mismatched shitpile of things that each individually are unreliable, so the only thing certain about the system is that at any given time some part of it is sure not to be working. Exhibit A: I currently cannot control my home office lights with the switch on the wall. Why? A CLOUD SERVICE hosed up a couple hours ago and is misinterpreting the action that should be taken when pressing butans. It did this once before and the problem magically went away a few hours later so I'll just hang here in the dark until THE CLOUD decides to stop making GBS threads on my stupid face. STUPID poo poo I'M CURRENTLY PUNISHING MY FAMILY WITH
The Thing To Do these days is to buy one of the hubs and then buy a bunch of compatible poo poo and then hope for the best. To help you out I've created this handy list: SmartThings - Z-Wave, Zigbee, WiFi - A Kickstarter thing later purchased by Samsung. Big money means they might stick around for a year or two. I know the most about this one because it's what I'm currently running at home. Open web-based IDE but lol it's all some hacked up version of Java called Groovy. Developer friendly platform with a lot of developers which means a bunch of shoehorning poorly programmed things together in awkward ways until you get something to work. The worst part about SmartThings is that it's all in the cloud. Every command your system receives gets sent to the cloud for processing. Want to turn on a light? Press button, wait for it to go to cloud, decide what should be done, packet is sent back to the hub and only then does the hub go and do something. It might turn on right away or it might turn on in 5 seconds or never. It's like a roulette wheel of fun for everything you do! MiCasaVerde line - Z-Wave, WiFi - These guys have a few different models. The newest model is cloud based (see above) but the rest handle processing locally. Fully scriptable by the user with Lua. By all accounts the development environment is an ever changing target and generally a mess to work with. A new OS (UI7) has been in beta for nearly a year and it's still a mess. Upgrades are painful and break everything. Device support is spotty and often spread across UI releases, so your garage door opener requires UI7 but your thermostat will only work with UI6. Revolv hub - Z-Wave, WiFi, Insteon - This looked like a very promising device with loads of radios and powerful hardware so a bunch of people bought them and then... Google bought the company, shut everything down and bailed on all the users. Rumor has it they were after a couple of the RF engineers and bought the company just to get them to work on their next Nest thing. Get used to this story. Spend hundreds (thousands) of dollars on a home automation system only to have all support disappear one day in a headhunting exercise. OpenHab - Z-Wave, WiFi - OpenHab is a linux thing that lets you turn a PC into a hub of sorts. It can interface with other hubs to let you control Insteon and some older protocols. To my knowledge there's no ZigBee binding working yet. In general, the platform is linux as gently caress, poorly supported by a bunch of german neckbeards. The standard UI comes straight out of IOS 2. Like most things lunix all support happens by way of a mailing list that's nearly unusable. There's also a forum for support, but it's all in german. Good luck with this option. Staples Connect, Wink Hub, Lowes Iris, PEQ - Assorted poo poo, typically some combination of Z-Wave, ZigBee, and WiFi - Home Depot and Lowes and fuckin Staples don't want to be left out in the cold (that's for dumb homes) so they either bought or partnered with somebody to get in on the hot hot action. Some of these are bad, some are OK. All of them are closed systems so they support whatever they support and that's the end of the list. Hopefully Staples or whomever doesn't get out of the home automation business because if they do you're hosed, there is zero way to interact with their system except through their app, and there's no good way for third parties to interface their things with these hubs. Update: in the 6 months since I wrote this, Wink has already gone out of business and PEQ is nearly there. LOL at all of these things. Google Nest - WiFi, Thread - Nest was just going to be a new thermostat but they hit the market at the right time and everyone went bananas for smart poo poo so Google scoops them up for $3B before Apple gets around to it. Nest came out with their second product after the Google buyout and I think everyone knows how well the smoke alarm thing is doing. It's presumed that Google is going to extend the Nest to be a hub of some flavor but haven't really laid out what that is going to look like. My advice? Get an ecobee3, it's the same price but with loads more features and is generally less poo poo. It might be the one SMART THING in my house that gives me zero problems, it does what it's supposed to and I don't have to touch it ever. Plus it gives me fancy charts like this and this and I fuckin love me some charts. Apple HomeKit - Bluetooth 4LE, WiFi - Not actually A Thing yet but the SDK has been released so we know what to expect. The choice of protocols is odd (more on protocols later). WiFi is what you think, but there is no low-power way to do WiFi, so unless you like changing batteries on your door contact sensor every other day you need something else. In this case, it's BT4LE. BT4 is nice, secure, and definitely low power, but it also has no mesh capability and is fairly short range so you're going to need to buy a bunch of Apple HomeKit Hubs (probably ATV3 or something like it) and hook them up all over your house. This is only stupid because there are low-power mesh protocols like Z-Wave and ZigBee that don't require any of that poo poo but lol Apple. Home Automation Done Right typically involves opening electrical boxes and sticking your fingers in places where your average Apple user shouldn't be sticking fingers, so it'll be interesting to see how they approach things like switches and other hardwired applications. You currently can't do anything with HomeKit but I expect they'll at least force the market to get their poo poo together... maybe. edit: it's nearly a year since Apple announced all their poo poo would be available, and still very little has shipped and very little has been said by Apple. Homekit is even worse than I expected and anybody who buys into it as a platform is a fool. OK let's talk about home automation protocols for a minute. In order to turn your fat fuckin finger pushin' into light switchin' you need some way for the signal to get from the fattie (you) to the light. In many cases this may actually be a combination of different protocols. In no particular order, here's what you're likely to be dealing with: X10 X10 is a combination powerline and wireless protocol that is now 40 years old. It's unreliable, it's totally unsecured, and it's generally a mess. This is how things used to get done back in the day if you were poor but decided you needed wireless light switches for some reason. X10 has a huge installed base of customers who surely regret the decision at this point and has probably been pulled out of the wall already. Don't buy anything X10. Insteon Insteon is a Smartlabs technology that mixes mesh and powerline communications. True to it's name it offers relatively low latency and is reasonably secure. If you're stupid and own a bunch of X10 crap, Insteon also offers backward compatibility to control X10 devices. Insteon probably would have seen wider support had Smartlabs been a little looser with the licensing, but as of today almost everything that is Insteon compatible is made by Smartlabs and they just don't have the money or momentum to push it any further. Insteon isn't a bad protocol, but it's owned by a company that can't hack it against Google or Apple or Samsung and the like. They've recently started inking a bunch of deals trying to change that, but it hasn't exactly caught on and everyone has moved on to something else. WiFi WiFi is what it is. There is no good way to handle WiFi in a low power setting, so you can pretty well count out any battery operated devices utilizing WiFi unless you're OK with recharging them every day. That might work OK for a tablet, but isn't going to work very well for a door lock. WiFi doesn't specify layer 7, so hope that whatever you're buying has a well documented and supported API or you're going to be dealing with a bunch of incompatibilities and kludgey hacks to get things talking to each other. WiFi is best used for devices that can stand on their own with some local processing power and web UI (light switches=no, IP cameras=yes). Finally, WiFi needs to be setup somehow meaning the device has some way to handle input locally (a display and keyboard), a wired connection option, or you'll have to run some sort of app along side to get the thing up and running on your network (Chromecast/Sonos/Harmony/etc). Z-Wave Z-Wave is a low power wireless mesh network developed by ZenSys and now owned by Sigma. That means that every Z-Wave chip needs to be purchased from Sigma which carries the license with it. Z-Wave is secured via AES encryption and is in widespread use for security systems (including modern ADT installations). They have a pretty well defined application layer and device description standards, so if you buy a Z-Wave controller it will almost certainly work with all Z-Wave lights without too much loving about. Same is largely true for not-lights (contact sensors, motion sensing, locks, doors, etc). Z-Wave is probably the most robust of the existing standards and has the widest range of compatible devices. The license encumbrance is a problem for some of the major players, so don't expect to see Apple or Google jumping on the bandwagon because Sigma owns the core protocol implementation. ZigBee ZigBee is another low power wireless mesh network standard but published as a fully open standard. As a result there are loads of vendors with physical layer ZigBee chipsets available. The trouble with ZigBee is that until very recently there has been zero standardization of the application layer. For example, while Creston uses ZigBee for wireless control, you cannot interface to Crestron devices through other ZigBee devices as they aren't at all compatible. There is now a reasonably well-standardized spec for ZigBee lights (Light Link) that only saw adoption after Philips released Hue. Finally, ZigBee is the low power champion. The Hue light switch thing, while being crap, is interesting in that it is able to send ZigBee commands using the power generated from the user pressing the button alone. No batteries required. That's seriously low power. Expect to see more ZigBee in the future, but I wouldn't invest much into it right now until the application layer standards are worked out. Bluetooth 4LE Bluetooth 4LE is bluetooth as you'd expect but with significantly reduced power requirements for low bandwidth communications. BT4LE is already in widespread use for low power applications like the fitbit poo poo you see fat spergs wearing everywhere. The thing about BT4LE is that it doesn't support mesh, so everything needs to be within ~100ft of a BT4LE hub (or gateway) for it to work. Like WiFi there is no standard application stack on top so p much anything goes. Apple is pushing this poo poo hard because their phones and ATV already work with it. I don't like the lack of mesh networking but otherwise BT4LE has a lot going for it. Other stuff: Thread Essentially IP over ZigBee, currently only used by Nest/Google. KNX Older standard used entirely by dirty europeans. OIC 3 giant companies got together to create a new IoT wireless standard in 2014, and one has already bailed on the project. I don't expect to see an actual thing with OIC on the market ever. edit: lol, yup. This is dead as heck. Get used to this sort of thing. Smart lights vs smart switches There's a lot of talk about Hue because Philips was the first major company to offer a straightforward way to control lights with your phone. I have 7 Hue lights of one flavor or another plus a couple GE Link bulbs that are (edit: "used to be") compatible but without color change (so dimming only). A Hue set comes with a bridge that will bridge wired ethernet to ZigBee (note "WiFi" isn't on this list, despite Philips selling these as WiFi Connected Bulbs). There are apps from Philips and third parties for most platforms. These talk to the hub, the hub sends commands over ZigBee to your lights. Here's the problem with smart lights: they are plugged into your existing light socket, and that socket has a light switch at the other side. You plug in, turn on the switch, and you can get it paired to your hub pretty easy and take over. Wheee, I can change light colors from my phone! What fun! OK now turn off that switch, the light turns off like you'd expect. Now grab your phone and ... AWWWWW, you can't control poo poo because you've cut the power to the lights. Smart Lights become dumb not-lights once you turn the switch off. This doesn't sound like a big deal but it sucks in practice. You either a) leave all your light switches on and then try and fumble around for a goddamn cell phone every time you walk into a room, or b) use the switches and now you can't turn on lights without the switch and you should have just bought a regular goddamn bulb. Philips recognized this problem and has solved it with a horrible wall switch thing that you stick on to your wall. It's interesting in that it uses the force of you pressing the button to actually power the device (so no batteries), but it feels clunky and cheap and isn't what a person would expect to interact with on the wall to turn on lights. If you're a shut-in with no friends or guests then I guess it's OK, but people have expectations around how switches work, and smart lights and the Philips Tap do nothing to address this. Edit: I actually now own one of these. It works pretty reliably but integrates with nothing apart from other Hue lights. Still probably wouldn't recommend, but useful for this one narrow case. A better solution is to replace your existing wall switches with "smart" switches (Z-Wave currently, maybe Insteon if you like dead ends or someday maybe ZigBee). You can get a switch for ~$34 (practically free in the Smart Home world), replace your existing switch, and now the lights controlled by that switch work just like they used to, but have the added ability to be controlled from elsewhere via your hub. If your hub shits the bed, no problem the switch works locally just as you'd expect. No, you don't get fancy changy colors, but you get a light that turns on every time and doesn't involve fumbling for your cell phone. Visual GNUdio fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Visual GNUdio posted:If I could paraphrase that giant wall of text it would be this:
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