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Stereotype posted:Volkswagen didn't break any laws because environmental protection laws are hilarious bullshit that have never and will never be enforceable Apparently what they did isnt punishable for a car maker under the clean air act. They've likely committed other crimes by lying to regulators.
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RaySmuckles posted:Individual donors seems to me like a pretty reliable count of active voters, likely to participate in the primary process. In addition, No one is saying Bernie is smoking Hillary. But the race is closing and its closer than most people thought it would be. Bernie is achieving more and more milestones, so its getting harder and harder to write him off. That is the summation of my observations. They're a good surrogate for a "solid supporter" that is to say, if you've donated to someone you're going to vote for someone. So nationally, there are at least 1 million people who will vote Sanders. That's to be expected based on his poll numbers. It will be interesting if Sanders and Carson both keep up this level of fundraising.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:35
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RaySmuckles posted:Dissenting opinions in this thread beware. Glad it only took until page 2. Well seeing how we have a million threads dedicated to loving the Chicken-man, I'm not exactly sure what the "dissenting opinion" in the Democratic primary is on this forum.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:38
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:If Hillary had to drop out for anything short of a heart attack, it would be a disaster of 1972 proportions. All we need to do to recreate 1972 would be to have the Democrats nominate the true liberal candidate the left wing loves but is unable to deal with the dirty tricks the Republicans are already using.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:57
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Kalman posted:Million donations, not donors. Typically, a significant proportion of donors donate more than once (for example, Bernie supporters scraping together their allowance on a weekly basis) - for Obama it was probably at least half of his donors. And it's more common in small donors for the obvious reason. Oh poo poo yeah, misread that. This is an even more contrived bar than I thought.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:08
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:He's not because it won't and because it would require Obama's DOJ to prosecute it. I wonder what impeaching lame duck Obama over his refusal to prosecute the Democratic nominee would do to Independent turnout...
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Oct 1, 2015 17:18
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Gyges posted:If Clinton drops out there will be a surge of potential candidates suddenly throwing their hat in the ring, making a Biden win less likely than it looks now. Cuomo and Gillibrand are both potentially in it, along with any number of governors and the like. Plus, it's not like Biden's even really come close the other times he's run. There are less than two months to declare and make it on the NH ballot. So the time for new candidates to join is closing pretty quick.
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Gyges posted:This is just as true for Biden. If Hillary is out with time to jump in, it's a madhouse. If it happens after that we're all going to be feelin' the Bern. The difference is, if Clinton drops out, the establishment could get the gears in motion to nominate Biden at the convention, citing those same filing deadlines as justification. Or Clinton could pledge her delegates to Biden or something like that. If you're an insurgent candidate it requires a lot more work to align the correct party machines to change the rules or otherwise get around the primary process. (e.g. McGovern rewrote the convention rules) Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Here's the problem: Biden is to the current right of most Dem voters on things like drug policy. He would be more conservative than anyone in the race except maybe Chafee or Webb. His support is not going to be what people think it would. True, but as establishment Democrats get more and more of that good old McGovern/Dukakis feeling from Sanders, they'll give up litmus tests because the alternative is that much worse.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:25
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pathetic little tramp posted:The controls people are asking for are just, like, national background checks and closing the gun show loophole right? If I can find one single person alive who says "we don't need guns" it means that all gun control advocates want to take away our guns and/or institute a dictatorship.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:42
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chitoryu12 posted:Someone's really going to need to teach you about reloading at some point. Yeah I don't think anyone is concerned about if a mass shooter filled their rounds themselves or not.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:46
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Lessail posted:Climate change/global warming, vaccinations, racism, feminism healthcare, education and policing too!
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Oct 1, 2015 21:05
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Bob Ojeda posted:Okay, so what coherent, gun-knowledgeable ways are there to make it harder for people to murder 15 community college students I believe the NRA suggests: 1. More guns. 2. More NRA gun training, preferably in elementary school. 3. More people with guns.
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Oct 1, 2015 21:08
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MaxxBot posted:Well the overwhelming majority of gun crime is done with handguns, almost none is done with "assault weapons," so if I were a gun control supporter I would start there. You'd also have to find a way to bring down the vast number of handguns out there already or else you wouldn't do much good. You mean the exact same restrictions on handguns that the NRA et al have spent decades tearing down?
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Oct 1, 2015 21:11
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SubponticatePoster posted:Make part of the gun buying process similar to what Republicans keep trying to do with abortion. First, you have to see pictures of victims of mass shootings and audio recordings of the screams of the dying. Then get something randomly shoved up your rear end - you must consent to this or else you're not allowed to purchase a firearm. Then after all that you still have to come back and speak with a counselor twice more with a waiting period of 48 hours in between sessions. Also regulate the stores that sell firearms down to the nails used in construction, make sure the seller has admitting privileges at a local hospital (in case something goes wrong), they can't be within 1000 ft of a school or church, and the name of everyone that buys a gun is posted in the local paper. Oh, and they have to recommend alternatives, like slingshots and paintball/airsoft. I'm down.
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Actually there was just a study done that shows that CHL rates have no impact on crime rates and that crime rates have no impact on CHL rates. http://tpr.org/post/new-texas-am-study-says-concealed-carry-licenses-dont-reduce-crime quote:But a new study published in the Journal of Criminology by researchers at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health may be poking holes in claims that increasing the number of conceal handgun permits leads to less crime. e: ComradeCosmobot posted:Truthiness is making a comeback, I'm telling you! beaten 
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Fried Chicken posted:Obama did it in 07 and no one said boo. well yeah, that would have been racist.
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Milk Malk posted:You asked for it. Holy poo poo that's a really bad chart. Impressively bad.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:25
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Rent-A-Cop posted:My point is that upper-middle class gunspergs with a clean background are neither the perpetrators nor victims of any significant percentage of crimes. So unless we assume they're all lurking in low-income neighborhoods waiting to Batman it up there's no way they're reducing any crime. Its not just that CHL ownership doesn't impact if the owner commits a crime, but also that CHL ownership doesn't prevent other people from committing crimes.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:28
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zoux posted:Yeah it's almost like the dude is trolling the thread by saying insane things. Oh sure, but trolls are lazy. Someone else made that awful awful chart. Possibly one of the worst things to make into a pie chart.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:29
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Rent-A-Cop posted:For CHL to be effective at reducing crime it'd have to be prevalent in areas where crime happens, which it isn't because nobody in those areas can afford it or pass the background check due to racism. Actually, the study we're discussing found that there is no relation between crime rate and CHL ownership, so you're wrong about that.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:31
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Luigi Thirty posted:Oh good, we get to do the PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS/loving MUSLIM HORDES thing again depending on whether the shooter passes the paper bag test or not Correct!
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Oct 1, 2015 22:41
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if you criminalize murder only criminals will be murderers!
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Actually, the NRA et al are trying to ban voluntary buy-back programs. Because you know, even just getting a single gun off the street when the owner wants to get rid of it is too much. http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/nras_threats_over_gun_buyback_tied_to_alec_legislation/ quote:When an NRA official threatened legal action over the destruction of guns from a gun buyback event, he cited an Arizona law that sprung from a partnership between the NRA and the American Legislative Exchange Council, the conservative shop that pushes model legislation in state legislatures across the nation.
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There is over 300 million capitalists in America, you can't realistically expect to get rid of capitalism!
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Of course, we can't even get the political will to mandate background checks, so you don't need to go out and buy more ammo just yet.Branis posted:What was the registration situation like in Australia and Britain prior to the ban? Basically your solution is to use the surveillance state to raid american citizens and take their property because we don't have a registry. Also while gun owners might be the "minority" All they'd need to do is emminent domain the NRA's bulk mailing list. Problem solved without any surveillance state, as the gun nuts have eagerly collated the list for you.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:51
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Like, literally all that is needed is for the President to say "Hey FBI, let people phone in background checks." There wouldn't even need to be legislation. Are you sure that's not banned under FOPA?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:58
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Gravel Gravy posted:We will finally get 4chan banned because it doesn't have an interest group. Don't worry, I'm sure Rand Paul will step up to defend them!
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Oct 2, 2015 00:10
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The main difference between the US and Australia regarding slaves is that Australia never held slave ownership as an integral part of our cultural identity. You could literally remove every single slave in the country and nobody would feel like it was less "Australian". If you did it in the states you'd have a significant portion of people saying "This ain't America no more! This ain't my country!"
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Oct 2, 2015 00:14
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:How would that have stopped Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech or today's shooting? Everything would be answered by socialism duh!
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Oct 2, 2015 00:52
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Heh, queers, am I right fellow progressives. By mocking gunhavers that are homophobes, you yourself have become a homophobe! It's spreading!
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Oct 2, 2015 02:08
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This is the brilliance of the anti-regulation "argument", you pretend hyperbole is the only reasonable discussion then use your own intransigence to dismiss reasonable discussion. It's either "they want to ban all guns" or "good luck getting mandatory background checks on private sales past the NRA."
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Oct 2, 2015 02:11
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The shooter has been identified, 26yr old (not 20, as originally reported). Well, War on Christians Confirmed. 
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Oct 2, 2015 02:16
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Meanwhile, in reality, it's massive numbers of American made guns that are overwhelming Mexican gun laws ever since we lifted our ban on the kinds of weapons used by the cartels et al.
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lover, conservative, professional, intellectual, introvert
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm sure Los Zetas bought their Huey gunship from a Gander Mountain in Arizona somewhere. While movies might lead you to think otherwise, most of the deaths from the drug war in Mexico weren't from helicopters.
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Oct 2, 2015 02:45
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No. Can't let things like the fact that the debt ceiling was moved up to Nov. 4 distract us from the real issues. Is the killing of students or an entirely artificial and pointless deadline a real issue?
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mcmagic posted:The single issue gun owner isn't voting for Democrats anyway because of brown immigrants or because the president is a Muslim or some other batshit insane silliness. They don't need their trust. Alas, we have had multiple goons say they believe in climate change, immigration reform, gay marriage, etc. but they voted Republican because guns.
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Man it must be lame to be a MoreLeftistThanThou kinda person who has to pretend that both parties are just as equally bad and that the evil Democrats are liars and crooks, rather than think about the fact that maybe your personal ideology isn't as backed up by reality as you think.
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Hey guys, according to available U.S. government records, there were no mass shootings in California before 1848, clearly it is Big Government Overregulation that caused all the gun violence in California!
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