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blue squares posted:My argument against isolation is focused on education. The first two items in the list argue in favor of education for all children, but the last is problematic. Given that education is a huge determining factor in life possibility (i.e., a child educated in the Rain Forest her entire life is less likely to become a doctor than one educated in an urban area), why are parents allowed to limit their children? Parents do not have the right to control 100% of the lives of their children. Why is education not one of those things parents have no say in? Your cultural biases are showing. Why do you think a child raised in an isolated culture would be less likely to be able to become a doctor than a child raised in an urbanized Western city? They are less likely to match Western cultural standards for Western-style doctoring, but given that these isolated cultures are isolated, their cultural perception of the medical profession - and the requirements to enter it - are no doubt substantially different and not dependent on Western-style education. Besides, your argument for equal opportunity is itself logically flawed. If all children are entitled to an equal-quality education, then before attacking isolated cultural groups which may just be able to offer the same education to every child, you should be focusing on the massive variance between schools in Western societies. If some kids are going to "good schools" and other kids are going to "bad schools", where is your equality? What if you take all the native kids out of the small native school every native attends and spread them randomly among Western schools, some good, some bad? Would that provide more equality of opportunity?
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Mister Adequate posted:Yes? Like, there are plenty of other arguments for and against it, but transparently yes, it would equality opportunity further? Not as much as all schools being of the same standards anyway, obviously, but absent that, random distribution is a good way to achieve that goal. How would it be more equal to give all the kids wildly differing educations while forcing them out into a culture with wide variance in education levels, as opposed to giving them all the exact same education in a culture where everyone has the same education? The entire premise of the question is fundamentally flawed, because while a local education may leave them disadvantaged in global Westernized society, it obviously does just fine for finding a job in their own, isolated society. Getting a tribal education doesn't affect their opportunities within the tribe - it only becomes a negative factor if they're forcibly de-isolated! In other words, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, where the supposed justification for forcibly de-isolating these children is so that they'll be ready for the global economy when their culture is forcibly de-isolated. Typo posted:But traditional medicine are often dependent on incredibly dumb practices such as randomly poking needles into energy sphere locations within the body to cure cancer. There's no way that a doctor trained in an isolated amazonian tribe is going to be anywhere near as good as one trained in an actual med school. They're probably going to be better than Western practitioners of "traditional medicine" (including acupuncturists), who seem to survive just fine in the global economy. And that's really the question at hand here. The OP's proposal wasn't "educate these kids so they can improve their own society", it was "educate these kids because otherwise they won't have a good enough resume to get a job supporting Western society after we de-isolate their culture". Besides, the real health impact isn't from modern doctoring knowledge, it's from modern doctoring equipment (which means commerce and open trade, which means opening and totally de-isolating their society, which means total abandonment of their ways and integration into Western society as paupers, beggars, and cheap labor). And honestly, modern plumbing has probably saved more lives than both of those combined.
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