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spun-off from the security fuckup megathread:goddamnedtwisto posted:that's the glory of backwards compatibility, flash-hooking is an example of taking a bug, turning it into a feature, then never removing that feature because half your customer base haven't upgraded their equipment since the 1970s
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I'm gonna follow this thread. I don't know much about this stuff, but I read quite a few things about it. Back in the 80s, there used to be this infamous magazine in the Netherlands called Hack-Tic. There were a lot of stories about phone phreaking, lists of numbers that produced a free international dial tone, stories about phone numbers that connected to some kind of voice recording computer or to a modem altogether... and all kind of weird tricks you could do with payphones. Most of the magazine editions have been scanned and can be read online, but sadly it's Dutch only. It read like they were in a constant battle with their greatest rival, the telephone company. ...And then the magazine editors/hackers got together and decided to create one of the first Dutch consumer ISPs. And that was something, because back then The Netherlands was the second country connected to this new thing, the Internet. The USA was the first. The ISP still exists, still is doing well, and still has the best consumer security and privacy record of any ISP in the country. Sometimes, things run by hackers instead of businessmen work out fantastically. What I do know is that when phone systems got digitally protected... people moved on to third world countries because they were still on older systems. I don't believe there's any of that left nowadays, though.
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Carbon dioxide posted:
Actually that was a security fuckup of sorts. Since the telephone system was a global network, if you could get access to an old/outdated part of it through say Eastern Europe or something, you had access to all of it, at least as far as free dialing etc is concerned, so it was in the interests of the Ma Bells' and AT&Ts and European Telecoms to upgrade the infrastructure of "third-world" countries as well.
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 21:04 |
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fun fact: someone paid 30 USD for a black line emoticon to make this work
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 21:10 |
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when i'm rich and famous i'm going to stop carrying a cellphone and have a model 500 with a rotary to dtmf converter and an answering machine with a tape in it as my only phone because part of being rich is being able to inconvenience other people with bizarre eccentricities
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Heresiarch posted:when i'm rich and famous i'm going to stop carrying a cellphone and have a model 500 with a rotary to dtmf converter and an answering machine with a tape in it as my only phone because part of being rich is being able to inconvenience other people with bizarre eccentricities Why do you need to be rich to do that? Just carry your iphone around and don't buy phone service.
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 21:19 |
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i keep meaning to go take some pictures in a couple of exchanges before bt get round to ripping out the 1930s stuff to make room for even more overpriced undercooled equipment racks, i'll post them here if i ever do. my favourite is wembley exchange where they still have all the cold war comms equipment laying around and also shoreditch where the mdf (think patch panel of the gods) is still pin and bobbin rather than modern push connectors so you basically have a 20x100 foot wall of nails, it's loving horrifying in the meantime have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp4zlMZVcmM
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# ? Oct 4, 2015 21:19 |
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the history of old-school phone phreaking and why you used to be able to hack the phone by whistling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF2NuFXVJS8
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Heresiarch posted:when i'm rich and famous i'm going to stop carrying a cellphone and have a model 500 with a rotary to dtmf converter and an answering machine with a tape in it as my only phone because part of being rich is being able to inconvenience other people with bizarre eccentricities you may even be able to get your telco to give you a line capable of pulse dialing - the capability is still there on most modern co equipment it's just turned off in most places
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Panty Saluter posted:fun fact: someone paid for a black line emoticon to make this work
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had to refresh but lmao
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pre:HOW TO 'BLUE BOX' INTO 'RUSSIA' BY: MARK TABAS --------------------------------------- HELLO, LATELY, I HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF BOXING INTO THE SOVIET UNION. WHILE I AM BY NO MEANS AN EXPERT ON THIS, I HAVE PICKED UP A FEW THINGS. STANDARD DIALING TO RUSSIA WOULD BEGIN SOMETING LIKE THIS: KP+011+007+ST (FOR INT'L SENDER) KP+0+95+295+9051+ST (FOR NUMBER) IF ALL WENT WELL, YOU WOULD BE ROUTED INTO RUSSIA AS AN OPERATOR-ASSISTED CALL. (BY THE WAY, THE NUMBER ABOVE IS THE KREMLIN). HOWEVER, SINCE ALL IS NOT WELL BETWEEN US AND THE SOVIETS, YOU WILL PROBABLY GET A RECORDING. THIS WILL GO SOMETHING LIKE, "INTERNATIONAL DIRECT-DIAL SERVICE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO THE SOVIET UNION..." OR "DUE TO CIRCUT CONGESTION IN THE COUNTRY YOU DIALED, YOUR CALL DID NOT COMPLETE..." THESE RECORDINGS, HOWEVER, LIE. THEY ARE MERELY PLACED THERE TO DETER THE BLUE BOXER. HE HEARS THEM AND THEN, BELIEVING THEM, GIVES UP. SEE, THE LAST THING THAT AT&T AND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL NEED IS A BUNCH OF 11-YEAR-OLD BLUE BOXERS CALLING RUSSIA AND SAYING SOMETHING LIKE: "HA HA, YOU FORNICATING COMMY PINKOS,WE'RE GONNA BOMB THE HELL OUT OF YOU!" SO, THEY MAKE IT *VERY* DIFFICULT TO BOX THE CALL. AS I SAID BEFORE, THE RECORDINGS THAT YOU GET ARE FAKES. WHEN NORMAL TSPS PLACE A CALL TO RUSSIA (LEGALLY), THEY MUST CONTEND WITH THE SAME RECORDING, ONLY INTERNATIONAL HAS THIS NEAT EQUIPMENT THAT KEEPS DIALING THE NUMBER OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL THE CALL GOES THROUGH. THIS NORMALLY TAKES A FEW HOURS. IT WOULD TAKE YOU A YEAR ON A BLUE BOX. THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO PLACE A LEGAL CALL TO THE U.S.S.R., IOCC (TSPS) WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A 2-3 HOUR DELAY. OFTEN IT IS MORE THAN THAT, IF THEY HAVE A LINE OF CALLS. TO HAVE IOCC PLACE A CALL, ONE WOULD BOX KP+160+700+ST FOR RUSSIA. THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN IOCC OPERATOR WHO ASKS FOR COUNTRY, CITY AND NUMBER, AND A BILLING NUMBER (THINKING THAT YOU ARE TSPS YOURSELF). THEN THEY WANT A CUSTOMER RINGBACK NUMBER (LOOP OR PAYFONE, IF YOU PLAN TO HANG AROUND FOR A FEW HOURS OR SO). HOWEVER, ON CALLS TO OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY WILL CONNECT YOU DIRECTLY AND DO NOT REQUIRE RINGBACK. IOCC COUNTRY ROUTINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS: KP+011+XXX+ST, WHERE XXX IS THE COUNTRY CODE PADDED TO THE *RIGHT* WITH ZEROS. TO CONTINUE ABOUT IOCC ROUTINGS, THE COUNTRY CODE IS PADDED TO THE RIGHT WITH ZEROS. THUS, AUSTRALIA (COUNTRY CODE OF 61) WOULD BECOME 610, AND THE ROUTING WOULD BE KP+160+610+ST. THIS MESSAGE HASN'T SAID MUCH SINCE I HAVEN'T TOLD HOW TO BOX A CALL TO RUSSIA, I'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH CALLING THERE. THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO. UNLESS YOU ARE VERY PATIENT AND FEEL LIKE TRYING TO BOX IT ABOUT 5000 TIMES BEFORE YOU FINALLY GET THROUGH (IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD BE BUSY ANYWAY) THEN YOU NEED THE HELP OF THE BELL SYSTEM OR POSSIBLY SOME INFERIORS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE IRON CURTAIN. TO PLACE A CALL TO RUSSIA, OTHER THAN GOING THROUGH IOCC, ONE MIGHT TRY TO CONTACT SOME SORT OF INWARD SOMEWHERE, LIKE YUOGSLAVIA (KARL MARX'S SUGGESTION ), OR MAYBE EAST GERMANY. TO BEGIN WITH, CALL RATE & ROUTE FOR THE IOTC ROUTING (SAY YOU ARE ON CORDBOARD) FOR INWARD IN YUGOSLAVIA. SHE'LL SAY SOME- THING LIKE "038 PLUS BLAH-BLAH-BLAH" SO YOU WOULD BOX KP+011+038+ST, WAIT FOR INT'L TONE, THEN DIAL KP+0+38+BLAH BLAH BLAH+121+ST. THAT SHOULD GET YOU INWARD, YUGOSLAVIA, WHO SPEAKS LITTLE OR NO ENGLISH AND IS AT BEST UNPLEASANT TO DEAL WITH. THAT'S ALL I KNOW. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY (OR ANY WAY AT ALL) TO CALL MOTHER RUSSIA, LET ME KNOW. MARK TABAS THE!MDFHNO!NG!ENNLDOWNLOADED FROM P-80 SYSTEMS......
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goddamnedtwisto posted:you may even be able to get your telco to give you a line capable of pulse dialing - the capability is still there on most modern co equipment it's just turned off in most places up until around 2008 at&t still charged extra for touch-tone service on business lines, which already cost something like $80 a month for local-calling only. my dad refused to pay for it so you would pick up the merlin system phone, hit speed-dial and hear dit-dit dit dit-dit-dit-dit. it was extra fun whenever they had to replace their credit card machine and the credit processing company had to find one that supported pulse dialing.
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Powercrazy posted:Why do you need to be rich to do that? Just carry your iphone around and don't buy phone service. i think you rather miss the point
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The_Franz posted:up until around 2008 at&t still charged extra for touch-tone service Pay extra for thing that reduces our costs. Capitalism owns.
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maniacdevnull posted:Pay extra for thing that reduces our costs. Capitalism owns. Canadian telecoms strip out caller ID and then charge you a monthly fee to put it back.
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Panty Saluter posted:fun fact: someone paid 30 USD for a black line emoticon to make this work fun fact: they spent $90 on it and didn't even bother to make sure it synced up
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Ensign Expendable posted:Canadian telecoms strip out caller ID and then charge you a monthly fee to put it back. to be fair, they have to string their lines across thousands of kilometers of empty wasteland and beavers don't pay for telephone service
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Ensign Expendable posted:Canadian telecoms strip out caller ID and then charge you a monthly fee to put it back.
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Does red boxing still work anywhere in the developed world?
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the local cell carrier throws the name of the carrier for caller id and sometimes they'll show the carrier number rather than caller number
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Trabisnikof posted:Does red boxing still work anywhere in the developed world? i think they stopped working back in the early 90s. even if they did somehow still work, good luck finding a working payphone to try it.
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Korean Boomhauer posted:the local cell carrier throws the name of the carrier for caller id and sometimes they'll show the carrier number rather than caller number p.s. its me, im the national database
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i like how between consumer voip running over internet connections with no qos and highly compressed cellular phone codecs, making phone call in 2015 is worse quality than 1990 higher bitrate codecs ("HD voice") at least are becoming more prevalent but still lol also the death of landlines leaves many with no form of communication in long periods of electricity being down. the lovely battery backup units on fiber/cable voip lines last 8 hours at best
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do cell towers not have battery backup? I guess that would be some fuckoff huge batteries to run them for longer than a couple days?
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Dessert Rose posted:do cell towers not have battery backup? I guess that would be some fuckoff huge batteries to run them for longer than a couple days? i think they mean assuming you can't charge your cellphone
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anachronisms, but still brutal reality in war-torn countries where they continue to take innocent lives decades after they were laid into the ground
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# ? Oct 5, 2015 05:10 |
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they have some backup, but chances are your cell phone is gonna die before the tower dies your average consumer isn't gonna be a sperg and conserve battery life on their phone, and gone are the days of Nokia candybars that'll last days between charges
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# ? Oct 5, 2015 05:11 |
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i have a 6k mah battery and it will only last 2 days if iconservative with my phone
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# ? Oct 5, 2015 05:17 |
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in reality the towers would get overloaded to the point where it wouldn't make a difference if they were running on batteries or not
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Dessert Rose posted:do cell towers not have battery backup? I guess that would be some fuckoff huge batteries to run them for longer than a couple days? Speaking for Australia at least they generally have 2 to 8 hours of battery capacity after which they need to be hooked into a generator if there's an ongoing outage they're only meant to stay up long enough for a tech to get there and diagnose any issues and then they'll request the generator if needed. Major radio towers and exchanges will have their own generators on site.
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phreaksbow
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suffix posted:anachronisms, but still brutal reality in war-torn countries where they continue to take innocent lives decades after they were laid into the ground lol - i misread it at first too
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computer parts posted:i think they mean assuming you can't charge your cellphone ah well. I have a car charger and a solar charger so I guess I wouldn't be super screwed unless the sun was blotted out & I ran out of gas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs
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mishaq posted:i like how between consumer voip running over internet connections with no qos and highly compressed cellular phone codecs, making phone call in 2015 is worse quality than 1990 epic thissery
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