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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Fallorn posted:

It's more like the only reason Baru's army was able to succeed is that she used the hygiene for waste, dead bodies, and food to lower the scurvy and limit sickness keeping her army alive. It did horrific things but so has just about every real life nation. Look at what happened to Alan Turning in the UK, or plenty of other places. People would be willing to put up with a lot of poo poo if it meant if they had a kid it no longer had a 1/3 dying during winter, your children grew up healthier, and you had free access to medical care. While reading it seemed like doctors and dentist were part of the government and paid for with taxes. People are willing to put up with a lot of poo poo for a stable and "safe" society. They are evil and for the greater good but for a lot of people that good is great because its not evil to them. They make human carriers for diseases but also inoculate the citizens and teach hygiene to prevent disease making people want to be more hygienic so they don't get sick. Super evil but I can see why people deal with it.

The book strikes me as an experiment in 'what if everything terrible an empire ever did that worked out well for them was done on purpose, and meticulously planned?'

It reminds me of someone arguing 1984 was about how perfect authoritarianism would never stop at controlling the government. It would never let some schmuck keep a diary even if they never rocked the boat.

TTBC is about the perfect empire that would never stop at conquering your country when it could conquer your mind. Maybe?

total causal closure :c00lbert:

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Mojo Jojo
Sep 21, 2005

I just finished this. It's really good!

The second part with Baru leading the rebellion was a bit flat but the pay-off was worth it.

I look forward to more, either in the same setting or not at all. Either works. Or in space.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
One of the artists who worked on Skyrim is livestreaming a paint of Tain Hu. Holy poo poo it is really good :stare:

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Fallorn posted:

Started it yesterday finished it today, unlike everyone else it feels like the Masquerade while awful is going to lower the child mortality rate, feed the average person better so they are not malnourished, and provide stability. It felt like the reason so much of the inquisition poo poo was going on was because they were a colony and in the capital the thought crime was a lesser issue, but in the wild colony it was a tool of control to bring them in the fold. Same reason the head of the faith was a Masquerade agent that may have kept the faith personally but still informed on it allowing it to continue instead of dying out completely.

I think that's the thought process of people on Cattlson's level, but the goal of the cryptarchy/Paramount Masters is essentially complete control over everyone. They're just doing it gradually.

Though in fairness to the cryptarchs, it's not clear how many of them are 100% on board with their goals; Baru certainly isn't now that she's joined. It would be funny if it was only the original, now long-dead cryptarchs who actually wanted to mind-control everyone forever, and each of the current cryptarchs is plotting to stop all the others while moving the brainwash-everyone plan forward to avoid suspicion, like a very dark version of The Man Who Was Thursday.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 31, 2016

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

She looks tough as nails - the little bit of red pops really well, too.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Today's progress!

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

drat that is a warm looking fox :3:

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