Tezzor posted:

Banning assault weapons accomplishes three things. One: it fucks with gun fanboys, who are whining scum. Two: it very slightly decreases gun sales by slightly disrupting that part of the gun fanboy culture based around buying superfluous weapons because they Look Badass. Three: many mass shooters are in that culture.

wiregrind posted:

you could just advocate for voluntary euthanasia and also ban guns; letting white people die by their own will and protecting victims of shootings at the same time

Prav posted:

A pathetic loser acceptance campaign would save lives.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

yeah but the NRA is rabidly opposed to it

Radbot posted:

That's a big problem, fat white dudes in the South who lost their $20/hr job shuffling papers deciding to kill their entire family and burn the house down because the alternative, owning up to you being a pathetic loser, is just too much to take.

I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that guns are the most popular in areas where people are doing the worst.

-Troika- posted:

When has this fantasy you have actually happened at all? Like 99% of mass shootings in recent years have been high school students who generally couldn't legally own guns anyways.

-Troika- posted:

When has this fantasy you have actually happened at all? Like 99% of mass shootings in recent years have been high school students who generally couldn't legally own guns anyways.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

99%, less than half, same difference

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

dudes who murder suicide their whole family often aren't reported, it isn't high profile enough and even the gun freaks can't find a way to construe a dude icing his kids with a pistol as a good thing

crabcakes66 posted:

Makes you think.



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A woman with a gun and a concealed-carry license opened fire on a shoplifter Tuesday afternoon as security chased the man out of an Auburn Hills, Mich. Home Depot, the Detroit Free Press reports. No one appeared to be injured, and the shooter is cooperating with police.

According to police, the shoplifting suspect, a man in his 40s, ran out of the store with security giving chase. He jumped into a dark-colored SUV driven by a second male suspect. As the SUV began to pull away, the 48-year-old woman fired an undetermined number of rounds from her 9mm pistol. Police say the vehicle got away, but may have a flat tire.

The two shoplifters allegedly made off with more than $1,000 of power tools and welding equipment.

The incident took place in what the Free Press describes as “part of a retail district with hundreds of stores in the area.”

“There were a lot of people in the area where she was firing shots,” adds local news station WXYZ.

-Troika- posted:

When has this fantasy you have actually happened at all? Like 99% of mass shootings in recent years have been high school students who generally couldn't legally own guns anyways.

crabcakes66 posted:

Makes you think.



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hallebarrysoetoro posted:

my favorite part of Civilization games is when I research "knives" and get rid of those useless guns and replace them with knives

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Rare Arms

Second Amendment jurisprudence is high on the list of the great national embarrassments foisted upon us by our embarrassing federal judiciary, who continually accept the ahistorical interpretations of people who actually claim that a Constitutional government enshrines the right to armed insurrection against itself. Not even the framers, who had actually and recently fought in a revolution, imagined it meant such a thing, but here we are. America’s quasi-religious fetish for its own Constitution is in any event a strange national obsession. The Constitution is a hash of archaic bylaws whose principal strength is that it’s so vague and badly worded that it can mean whatever we need it to mean at any given time. “A well regulated…”

Well, gun advocates have done nothing if not given us a pithy slogan expressing exactly how incoherent they are: guns don’t kill people; people kill people. This is like saying cars don’t drive on roads or hammers don’t pound in nails. That a tool requires an operator to do its work begs the question. Guns were made to kill things, people chiefly among them. They’re a very good tool for this purpose. It’s possible to nail wood together without a hammer, but much easier with one; it’s possible to commute 30 miles to work without an internal combustion vehicle, but not easy; it’s possible to kill a whole lot of people all at once without a gun, but crossbows and broadswords do lack individual efficiency. Guns are machines for killing, and they kill a lot of people.

Refocusing from the implement to the actor also lends itself to our current absurd scapegoating, in which “mental illness,” never specifically defined, becomes a legitimate target for legislative intervention; Congresscreatures publicly imagine they can legislate sanity, and yet they can’t conceive regulating the purchase and ownership of an industrial product. How a nation that requires a $25 co-pay for a blood pressure and reflex test that you have to wait five months to book intends to provide universal, ongoing, robust psychological care to its 300 million souls, many millions of whom don’t have sufficient insurance and are therefore on the hook for more like $150 if they ever want to visit a regular old doctor, is unclear. Meanwhile, much of the gun violence in the country—not the mass shootings of white people that make the news, but the daily killings of one here, two there in places like Chicago—isn’t a question of mental health, not as the gun debate defines it anyway.

But. There is a kind of moral credulousness on the part of the Nice Liberal critics of our national gun culture, and there’s something intolerably amoral about a politician like Barack Obama assuming a pose of high moral dudgeon to snipe at conservative gun rights advocates while he presides over, among other atrocities, the bombing of a neutral hospital—literally, a war crime. (And the bombing of the MSF hospital is just one war crime among many; we just happen to note it because its victims are Western, professional, media-savvy, and English-fluent.) This isn’t cheap whataboutism; if you ask how we can be such a violent society and exclude sixty years of uninterrupted global warfare from your analysis, then your crass factionalism is showing.

It’s true: blaming domestic gun deaths on America’s violent, aggressive imperialism is a little like blaming it on mental illness; it identifies an approximate rather than a proximate cause and spins its wheels wildly away from a practical mechanism for mitigating the problem here and now. I do, however, wish that those who advocate for stricter gun control in this country would evince a more convincing and universal pacifism, rather than crying out in passionate horror each time some nut shoots up an elementary school but merely regretting each time their president blows one up.

Tezzor posted:

http://jacobbacharach.com/2015/10/08/rare-arms/

Tezzor posted:

http://jacobbacharach.com/2015/10/08/rare-arms/

joat mon posted:

Huh. If laws have no meaning or applicability, by what method are the enlightened going to return us to the universal pacifism that existed from the dawn of time to 1954? Force?

Tezzor posted:

What are you talking about

joat mon posted:

Huh. If laws have no meaning or applicability, by what method are the enlightened going to return us to the universal pacifism that existed from the dawn of time to 1954? Force?

joat mon posted:

This kind of thinking is very intriguing. It's very...religious: "My belief requires a certain conclusion. Therefore I declare the facts to fit my conclusion."

-Troika- posted:

Tezzor posted:

Another school shooting today! Less than a week since the last one. One dead, three injured. But your toy availability is the only important thing.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

But see it wasn't a mass shooting because only one person died so nothing to see here

Flowers For Algeria posted:

But see it wasn't a mass shooting because only one person died so nothing to see here

Tezzor posted:

Another school shooting today! Less than a week since the last one. One dead, three injured. But your toy availability is the only important thing.

SedanChair posted:

Your silence about all the shootings in between the ones you care about speaks volumes.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

If we were to post about and discuss every shooting that occurs in the United States every day this thread would reach a critical mass and turn into a black hole

Hopefully all the gun nuts would be trapped inside and never post anywhere else

Popular Thug Drink posted:

excuse me, have you ever heard of the 2nd amendment to the United States Constitution? obviously not. look it up

so long as suicides by firearm outnumber homicides by firearm the gun control issue is mainly about people willingly choosing to end their own lives, which i can't argue against so long as they don't murder too many family members, friends, classmates, etc. before turning the gun on themselves

Tezzor posted:

Another school shooting today! Less than a week since the last one. One dead, three injured. But your toy availability is the only important thing.

SedanChair posted:

Your silence about all the shootings in between the ones you care about speaks volumes.