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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Carlosologist posted:

I enjoyed the opener for this season. Jay Garrick and Barry are gonna kick so much rear end it's ridiculous :flashfap:

I'm hoping that the super-speed resolution of angsty plot points in this episode, along with the introduction of Jay, signifies that Barry Allen is going to be substantially less Peter Parkery this season.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

My Q-Face posted:

I've never seen YJ, so I watched the first two episodes on Netflix just now and I gotta say, I didn't miss anything. :v:

YJ owns, but it's not until ~ a third of the way through the first season that it really feels like it's going somewhere.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
So what comic book character do show-Zoom's motivations (obsessed with speed, wants to be the only speedster in the multiverse) correspond to?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

bunnyofdoom posted:

I wanna know if the Olympics have rules regarding meta humans competing

I'd really like an episode where Barry accepts his celebrity and does some exhibitions for charity. He's the fastest man in the world native to Earth-1 and a Central City hero, he could try having some fun with it.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I wanted Reverse Flash to stick around and team up with Barry to beat Zoom, on the basis that if any speedster is gonna kill the Flash, it's gonna be Eobard goddamn Thawne.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
So what possible Flash consorts are left for Barry to have awful CW relationships with now that Patty is gone? My vote goes to the insane Soviet lady from the comics. Or maybe on a jaunt to Earth-2 Barry can meet Jay's sister Joan, just to make things super weird.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Tiggum posted:

If this show is going to continue the pattern of having an evil speedster as the main villain, I hope they just go all out with it and next season there are about two dozen of them, some good, some bad, some just using their powers to have fun. Like, every scene should have a speedster go by in the background, sometimes being chased by a different speedster. Some girl's complaining to Barry about him being distant and secretive and he's making his excuses and both of them are ignoring the fact that seven different coloured blurs just went by behind them.

Kapitalist Kouriers next season or I quit watching.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Barry continues to be the worst. Stop shmooching Other Barry's Iris and get to work doing the thing you said you were going to do, you creepy weirdo.

Prediction: Velocity 9 will almost restore Jay's speed, but have catastrophic side effects and he'll be at death's door, just in time for the introduction of Velocity X at the finale. And then a vat of the stuff will fall on Wally.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Flash and Supergirl would make a pretty adorable couple. Flash romance plots are often terrible, so "my girlfriend lives in Canada on Earth-3" would be great.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

jwalrus posted:

My personal theory is that "our" Jay is Edward Clariss, the Rival - basically the Earth-2 version of the Reverse-Flash. He got his powers from a drug called Velocity-9. My guess is that he was working for Zoom all along in exchange for real, permanent super-speed. Dunno how they'll explain him looking just like Jay, but it would certainly explain why "Jay" was so bad at being a hero; he never was one.

That'd be a way better twist than whatever they have planned.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
It's hard to believe how excited I was at the start of the season. Flash Appreciation Day! Flash of Two Worlds! Wally West is gonna show up at some point! This last episode I just skimmed through on fast forward and eventually skipped straight to the stinger.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Remember when the Flash was fun? CBS remembers.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Longbaugh01 posted:

What the hell.

If casual time travel is what they're going to use to deal with Pied Piper again, then why not use casual time travel for every loving villain of the week.

I think I read here that Barry goes back in time to meet with Reverse Flash Wells to try to learn more about how to increase his speed. Apparently it's in the midst of his showdown with Pied Piper.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Time wraiths are jerks. If they're gonna go after anyone, it should be the LoT people. They're just bigoted against speedsters.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

I would be ok if some time wraiths murdered everyone in LoT.

Hartley being their friend was a good change.

You know Cold is on that show, right?

But yeah, if the Rogues as an organization/club aren't forthcoming (and we are thus doomed to a new speedster villain every season), then Hartley is much better suited to be a Flash Friend than a solo act. I hope he turns out to be a socialist.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Chokes McGee posted:

Also I will never get tired of Barry loving with the timestream, especially if it leads to more Wells-Thawne :ughh: background reactions.

CW Barry is incredibly dumb, yet still much smarter than comics Barry, who basically destroyed the DC universe. People should cut the show writers some slack, because they are trying so hard to get Barry to that level of stupidity, but it takes some time. Current estimate: S03E17.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

libertao posted:

To be fair, plenty of famous people resemble each other, but you don't think they're the same person.

I do. I've never seen Kiera Knightley and Natalie Portman together at the same time.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I wish Wally was better so Barry could die.

Grant Gustin is great. The Supergirl episode exhibited once again that with decent writers he could be lots of fun. But the actual Flash writers have done so much to sabotage his character. If this show were true to DC, it'd reboot immediately.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Can we make the show that isn't going to exist take Wally?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

TEAH SYAG posted:

That booty so fine you gotta come back from the dead for it

When Wally was the Flash in the comics, the rule was you could come back from the SF repeatedly, so long as your True Love was out there to give you something to come back to.

Your version is better.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Timo posted:

How does this work for the show? Didn't they make it a point in the crossover to say there was no Central City in Supergirl's world to prove it was another Earth? Also, this puts Superman in the Flash/Arrow/Legends world now, right?

Crisis on Three Earths. Arrowverse get Atlantis and Gorilla City from Earth-2, and National City from Earth-S. Superman dies heroically off-screen and we can all forget he was ever alluded to.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

SonicRulez posted:

This...surprises you? If this were a Superman show, would you start banging your head against a wall when he started making eyes at Lois Lane?

If they'd made Lois Clark's adopted sister, with whom he'd consistently had less chemistry than various other LLs introduced, yes.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

enraged_camel posted:

Barry "loved" Iris before he moved in? Dude, they had not met before. There's actually a scene earlier this season where Joe takes little Barry home, and Iris is standing at the top of the stairs and introduces herself. And they're both like... 8 years old.

Pretty sure you're misremembering. They were already best friends.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

enraged_camel posted:

2) She got her first job only because she wrote a bunch of blog posts about The Flash, rather than because of some unique talent or intellectual quality

She was basically Flash's Brown Moses, what more do you really want?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Flesh Forge posted:

However janky the character might be on the show, be thankful they didn't stick too closely to the comics version of her.

Why, is she as boring as comics Barry?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Flesh Forge posted:

I wouldn't say she's boring, no, but more of a giant clusterfuck

Are you saying you don't want Iris to be from the 30th century? Isn't that the big reveal we've all been waiting for this whole time?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

enraged_camel posted:

It's not that he just "enjoyed racing fast cars." For all intents and purposes, he's addicted to speed, and racing is how he feeds that addiction. That's another stereotype for you. Obviously they couldn't make it about drug addiction since he's supposed to become a superhero one day, so they gave him another addiction instead and made it relatively benign and less stigmatized. But they did write his mom as a drug addict (which is why she left Joe).

Where in God's name do you get "addicted" from what was actually on the show? He was racing for money, then, based on that fact that it's never come up again, it seems that he quit. (We're not told explicitly that he quit, I think, but given what scolds Iris and Joe are, the fact that we haven't heard about it strongly suggests it isn't happening.) Wally does not have any sort of desperate need for speed. He just likes going fast.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

enraged_camel posted:

You are forgetting how much he was obsessing about that class project where he is trying to design the fastest car or whatever. It's not just about him going fast. Like I said, he's addicted to speed.

So he used to race cars (then quit) and was super into a cool science/engineering project that he was working on, for all of one episode. You're right, classic signs of addiction.

Are you auditioning to be the SMG of TVIV?

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

No Butt Stuff posted:

The SpeedForce on Earth 2 is also evil.

I assumed it was a Q continuum type of thing.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
The actual Flashpoint story is way too big and complex for the CW. I have no idea what to expect.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

TEAH SYAG posted:

No worries, he is totally going to get the mack going on Supergirl, ship that poo poo like FedEx.

We are getting dangerously close to "headcanon" here, but I agree. Candace Patton is fine, but they've written Iris terribly at every opportunity. (Even when she played no role in the larger plot, like when she randomly asked her boss out to no effect.)

They tried to make a "will they or won't they" thing, when the source material says "they definitely will," and the writing makes the audience say "please stop."

The crossover episode with Supergirl was the best that Barry was written all year IMO.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Flesh Forge posted:

People generally do not think infinity through very well.

Even though it was called Crisis on Infinite Earths, it's trivial to prove from the facts as presented in the book that there were only ever finitely many Earths, no matter how many references were made to infinity.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

odiv posted:

Man, if Barry's going back in time to save moms maybe he should swing by the Zolomon residence on Earth 2.

That guy sucked, and so clearly his mother deserved to die.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I just realized that, going by the comics version of Flashpoint, when Barry gets back to a non-hosed up timeline, Wally will be ginger.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

BrianWilly posted:

Nah, that would just be a different Wally West...like, just someone else in the same universe and with the same name. His distant cousin or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf5FRPfGiC8

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
As far as DC crises go, Flashpoint is pretty good, but goddamnit I want Crisis on Several Earths.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Scyantific posted:

Savitar could work, TBH. Especially if they go with the whole "crazy cult of speed" thing.

Bring back the crazy Russian lady who exploded on LoT as Lady Flash, please. An unstable FIRESTORM matrix creating a nuclear explosion with her at the center is about the comic bookiest way of gaining superpowers ever.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
Barry and Kara are the best couple by far.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Koalas March posted:

Barry/Any white chick apparently!

Linda was also at least OK.

I think I get where you're coming from. Iris is Barry's canonical love interest, so at a minimum it'd be an unsettling coincidence to cast a black actress to play the part and then deliberately render the character more or less irrelevant by taking that away from her. And I could see Gustin and Patton making it work if the writing for their relationship weren't so abysmal. I'd be perfectly happy with Barry-Iris if it were written at the level of Kara-James. I'm not super invested in the latter couple, but it seems to work well enough.

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Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Spergatory posted:

"gently caress me with a spoon twice daily," is my new favorite curse.

That's gotta be a mnemonic for something.

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