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primaltrash
Feb 11, 2008

(Thought-ful Croak)
hmm yes

http://dragonporn.ldblog.jp/archives/8352604.html

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AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

E: nevermind missed an edit on the bottom of the last page

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004


All I see is a JoJo mod.

Scaly Haylie fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Oct 8, 2015

Kayten
Jan 10, 2012

The tiniest of Tims!

Lizard Wizard posted:

...y'know what, fine, discuss mods, they're great.

Sweet.

Hypothermia is pretty great. Works well with Cloaks of Skyrim or whatever it's called. The one with the cloaks

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

There's some throwing weapons mod on Steam Workshop (maybe part of Heavy Armory, with all the spears and halberds and stuff?) and the most fun I've had with Skyrim is an assassin using exclusively the throwing knives from it. Granted I'm a huge loving scrub and I do my first playthrough of any game on the easiest difficulty and since it's a menu option in TES I always forget to turn it up later so for most people it's probable that A) the knives are ineffectual and B) other things are more fun but hey. :downs:

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Kayten posted:

Sweet.

Hypothermia is pretty great. Works well with Cloaks of Skyrim or whatever it's called. The one with the cloaks

Agreed. Also the Alternate Starts mod. It's excellent.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

Gridlocked posted:

Agreed. Also the Alternate Starts mod. It's excellent.

Alternate starts is more or less necessary for your sanity if you do more than a couple characters.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

AnoHito posted:

Alternate starts is more or less necessary for your sanity if you do more than a couple characters.

It really is. Also it's great with Requiem and other "Immersive" mods, really makes you feel like you're starting a character in a world for you to explore rather then following your old path of GOD OF EVERYTHING from Skyrim Classic.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

AlphaKretin posted:

There's some throwing weapons mod on Steam Workshop (maybe part of Heavy Armory, with all the spears and halberds and stuff?) and the most fun I've had with Skyrim is an assassin using exclusively the throwing knives from it. Granted I'm a huge loving scrub and I do my first playthrough of any game on the easiest difficulty and since it's a menu option in TES I always forget to turn it up later so for most people it's probable that A) the knives are ineffectual and B) other things are more fun but hey. :downs:
Bethesda: Sure, we can axe features from our games with impunity, players will add them in anyway.
It's genius and tragic at once.

rlloyd3
Feb 3, 2012
Last night, I was playing Star Wars: The Old Republic (by BioWare, almost as "great" as Bethesda) when I came upon a bug in one of the games many cut scenes. A girl which I had rescued and delivered to her father ran up to him, hugged him, and kissed him. And then she continued to perform that animation sequence. Over and over until the scene ended. Even after the father had walked across the room.

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

rlloyd3 posted:

Last night, I was playing Star Wars: The Old Republic (by BioWare, almost as "great" as Bethesda) when I came upon a bug in one of the games many cut scenes. A girl which I had rescued and delivered to her father ran up to him, hugged him, and kissed him. And then she continued to perform that animation sequence. Over and over until the scene ended. Even after the father had walked across the room.

Clearly she was suffering from PTSD (post-traumatic squeezedadding).

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
I just wanna say how much I hate/love you Lizard Wizard.

You have made me reinstall 4gigs of mods so I can play Requiem again.

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

Hey Lizard Wizard, if I may suggest a quality of life mod: Auto Harvest 2 (I think this is the link however I can't verify as nexus is unresponsive for me as of this post)

You can set it to automatically harvest or pick up items, so you can spend less time dicking around picking herbs / tearing apart butterflies / grabbing dragonflies.

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Ulvirich posted:

Hey Lizard Wizard, if I may suggest a quality of life mod: Auto Harvest 2 (I think this is the link however I can't verify as nexus is unresponsive for me as of this post)

You can set it to automatically harvest or pick up items, so you can spend less time dicking around picking herbs / tearing apart butterflies / grabbing dragonflies.

Nah, I'd rather not have autolooting or anything like that. And just because I said mod discussion is okay doesn't mean I want any. :shobon:

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

No biggie, just was seeing if you were interested in something that automates something you'd probably be doing.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?

Ulvirich posted:

No biggie, just was seeing if you were interested in something that automates something you'd probably be doing.

ugh back in my day each plant was a container and you had to press at least 3 buttons per plant. Goddamn kids and your music.

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

WanderingMinstrel I posted:

ugh back in my day each plant was a container and you had to press at least 3 buttons per plant. Goddamn kids and your music.

Back in my day each plant looked the same before and after you harvested it, and the only way you knew if it was harvested is if there was nothing in it!

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Only third era kids will remember this!

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

Lizard Wizard posted:

Only third era kids will remember this!

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

I've been catching up on the PYF obsolete tech thread on the side and I just got very confused for a second there.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
You know what, back in my day alchemy wasn't even a skill you had to pay some rear end in a top hat at a temple to make potions and the ingredients and recipes only occurred in random drops

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



gaze at the humble argonian lizard man

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
#notallargonians

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

#mostargonians

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Slow Times in Riverwood


Hmm...I think I like the plate armor best, but I have certain wizardly needs...let me see here...


There. This suits Urgzobb.

For those of you who haven't played Skyrim, there are four main slots for armor pieces: hats, boots, gloves and shirtpants. Essentially, greaves have been folded into chestpieces. I bring this up because some of you may have noticed that Urgzobb is wearing Steel Armor and iron everything-else. This is because I ran out of iron.

Oh yeah, it should probably be mentioned that 'Steel Armor' refers to the shirtpants piece of the set, not armor from the steel set in general. Remember that! :eng101:




But now it's time to go into detail about perks. As you can see, each skill has its own perk tree, with each individual perk requiring previous perks on that "limb" of the tree to have already been activated as well as a certain skill rank. A blue-ish star next to a perk indicates that we meet the skill requirement for it.

Note the Evoker perk in particular, which states that the power of our Destruction spells scales with our skill rank in Destruction. This is one of the best and most significant changes in SPERG.



Seen here is Mage, the Apprentice perk for Destruction. It activates itself automatically at rank 25 in the skill, and is an example of the automatic perks added by SPERG.



Every perk tree in SPERG has these in addition to Adept, Expert and Master perks, which activate at 50, 75 and 100 respectively. Notice that we already have Well Fitted (25% Armor bonus if wearing only Heavy Armor) due to our skill rank.

Now, you might be asking yourself, why is this significant? By way of response, let me show you a perk tree from the base game, courtesy of UESP.



I've purposefully chosen one of the worst offenders, but LOOK AT THIS GARBAGE. Most of these perks do little but give you bigger numbers, hoovering up your skill points, playing on your desire to optimize, optimize, OPTIMIZE, and demanding that you double the gently caress down on a heavily specialized character RIGHT NOW if you want the good poo poo. Sure, there were some really fun perks in there, but by and large they were dragged down by "necessary" perks like these.

Now let's take a look at the Alchemy tree in SPERG:



Well, lookie here! Not only do you get benefits that make you a better alchemist for free, but a fistful of perks that would appeal to ANY character.

Better enchantments? Hell yeah. Spiffier homemade leather armor? Hell yeah. Health regen and emergency acid blood? HELL YEAH.

It's all just GOOD, and I think this tree typifies SPERG: it prunes the boring number-perks and replaces them almost universally with fun ones, some even synergize with other skills so you can truly have a diverse skillset and do whatever you want in life. I'm very open to perk suggestions in the thread, and I encourage all of you to read the list of SPERG perks so you can join in on the discussion. Please!




What's the closest thing to a mage? A mace, of course! Gahaha!



You know, if I just had a few scraps of wood I could improve this bow a bit.



Hmmmm.


















HRAAAAH!



Well, that was fun. Now...



Grindstones can be used to improve your weapons by consuming a little of what they're made of. It's a good thing. :nyoron:



There. Never know when you might need a good, sharp bow.



Still not tired. Maybe I could make some potions with these...these...I have no idea what any of these would be good for. Only one thing for it!



Hmm...fibrous, yet insulating! :yum:

In Skyrim, you discover alchemical effects through the good ol' art of wortcraft, which basically means chewing something to release its latent magical energy. Urzgobb spends a bit of time chowing down.



Well. That was certainly equal parts refreshing and horrifying. What now, what now...



"Riverwood Trader"? I DO have plenty of rebel gear to offload...



I said no! No adventures, no theatrics, no thief-chasing!
Well what are you going to do then, huh? Let's hear it!
We are done talking about this.


I don't know what you overheard, but the Riverwood Trader is still open. Feel free to shop.
Do you sell spells?
I think I have a few old spell books laying about. If you want more, you'll have to go to the College of Winterhold.
Very well.



I'd like to sell some things, first.

Urgzobb summarily offloads his stock of "lightly used" weapons and armor, excluding the Novice Robes.



I think I'll take 'Raise Zombie'. Neeeeeeever know when you're gonna have to raise a zombie. Y'know?
...
...
...
...SO! what was that argument about? Something happen?
Yes, we did have a bit of a...break-in. But we still have plenty to sell. Robbers were only after one thing. An ornament, solid gold. In the shape of a dragon's claw.
I could help you get the claw back.
You could? I've got some coin coming in from my last shipment. It's yours if you bring my claw back.



So this is your plan, Lucan?
Yes. So now you don't have to go, do you?
Oh really? Well I think your new helper here needs a guide.
Wh- no, I...oh, by the Eight, fine. But only to the edge of town!






tl;dr the dungeon we need to go to is on a mountain just outside of town on a path with a watchtower on the way, and also it's suspicious that only the claw was stolen.



Hm. I'll see to this 'Bleak Falls Barrow' tomorrow, I think.



For right now, a bed sounds more appealing.






Once inside, Urgzobb is greeted by two vastly different aural sensations: a conversation he could not care less about, and a bard playing the most amazing drum-based music he had ever heard in his scant twelve hours of awareness.



You drum supremely well.
Faendal thinks he can woo Camilla Valerius away from me. She's already mine, I keep telling him.

Urgzobb feels a heat beneath his skin at the bard's first word, his fists clenching and clenching hard. Something about that name has triggered our hero something fierce, dear readers.



You and this Faendal both like the same girl, is that it?
Camilla Valerius knows I'm the best man in Riverwood. That elf is kidding himself if he thinks he would choose him over me.
...elf.
I've seen him sneaking towards the Riverwood Trader to speak with her when I'm not around. He's wasting his time.
He sounds persistent. Why not do something about it?
You may be right. Camilla may see Faendal as little more than a friend, but why take chances?
Exactly.
Here. Give Camilla this letter. It's full of venomous nonsense. Tell her it's from Faendal.
...so. Where did you learn to play so well?
At the Bards College in Solitude. They train bards and skalds like myself. If you go there, talk to Viarno. He's the headmaster.
Noted. Well, I'm off.



Strangely enough, I couldn't find an option to rent a room, so Urgzobb decided to settle for using the inn's alchemy station.



This...might make a good sleep aid, I suppose. :shrug:

Unfortunately, we don't really have that many ingredients to work with.



In the end we just break into Alvor's house, which is legal because we're friends with him, to avail ourselves of the guest bed.



Carriage services? Good to know.



For now, I sleep.



Ahh. A fine morning.






...why, there it is!



Let's see...maybe I've still got a scrap or two from last night, even.



Oho. Forgot all about THIS. Let's see...



Aldmeri...? Va-lenwood...? Are...oh, by the Eight Divines, I remember the horrible, horrible truth. There's MORE THAN ONE BLASTED KIND OF ELF. Camilla would see right through this. And it would be dishonorable besides!



I WOULD be screwing over an elf...



...but, then I'd be no better than, well...an elf!

As an aside, wood-chopping owns.



Aha! That infuriating face...he MUST be Faendal. I'll just have to be the better man here!



You there! Wretch! Sven wanted me to deliver this letter to Camilla, saying it was from you.







...by the Eight! Looks like Faendal can't write a horrible letter to save his life; this is the most romantic thing I've ever read! Oh, how rich this is. I shall expose his elven trickery forthwith!



Camilla! You're not going to believe this - Faendal asked me to give you THIS letter and say it was from Sven, but-
He what? What are you talking about?
This fake letter! It's hilarious!
Why that jealous idiot. Thought he could just manipulate me into never seeing Sven again?
Oh, he couldn't. Believe me.
Thank you for telling me the truth. You should speak to Sven. I'm sure he'll want to thank you, too, for defending his name.



And so...






...Sven, I need to be brutally honest. You're conceited, you can't tell the difference between Faendal-elves and not-Faendal-elves, you're terrible at fact-checking, and you're a TERRIBLE flutist.



...however! You're the closest thing to good company I've ever laid eyes on, and you play a drat fine drum. Accompany me, and I promise you we'll take every last cave, errand and moron in the land by storm, with glory in our eyes and adventure at our backs. We will make fools of the vapid, corpses of the vile, and a tidy profit from this world's treasures. What say you?



:black101:

Scaly Haylie fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Oct 9, 2015

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

B-b-but free training! :ohdear:

I appreciate what they're going for with wood chopping but unless SPERG has rebalanced payments from both that and normal quests it's just absolutely not worth it, ever, even considering that you just have to click a button.

AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Oct 9, 2015

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

AlphaKretin posted:

B-b-but free training! :ohdear:
(If that's a spoiler or something say so and I'll kill it.)

Nah, I know exactly what you're talking about and I think it's fair game to talk about things that we've locked ourselves out of.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

It's probably best not to tell Urgzobb that he's technically an elf...

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
I have run into the brick wall that is too many mods and my load order being confusing :(

Chaeden
Sep 10, 2012
I honestly usually do a fair bit of wood chopping. Its not terrible coin for how little work you are actually doing and with the mods I have I think that's one of the things that became weightless. So I don't mind standing there chopping wood while I play a handheld or something for awhile then once I feel I have enough honest work going about my way getting the rest of my money in the game via looting and selling. Also I can say I have NEVER sided with Sven. I don't like him much to start with, he starts out with a dagger as his weapon compared to a decent bow on the elf, and as Alpha was saying the free training is nice if you want bow training which Faendal is a trainer of. I believe that trick works because if you pay to train with someone and they are your companion you can immediately pull the cash back out of their pockets because while they are your companion you have almost free access to their pockets for giving and taking items(They have a base set of clothing they don't let you steal from them. This is annoying in some cases in the future because companions only wear the 'best' armor pieces in their inventory. Not a issue with Sven or Faendal because they both are wearing 0 armor clothing. But if they were wearing heavy armor and you say....wanted to SNEAK somewhere it'd be near impossible to give them a light armor so they don't clank everywhere they go.).

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Also Sven's kind of a racist dick but I guess if that's horribly off putting to a player this in particular in not quite the game for them :v:

E: VVV Yeah, that. I don't know what I'd do without goons to say what I mean infinitely more clearly. :v:

AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Oct 9, 2015

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
Is racism against pretend races making you queezy? Might try to lie down and rethink your life.

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013

AnoHito posted:

It's probably best not to tell Urgzobb that he's technically an elf...

Well, most people who hate elves don't really think of Orcs as elves either, which is a rare case of something working out well for the orcs.

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Iretep
Nov 10, 2009
I'm not even sure if Orcs consider themselves elves or if they are aware of it. They probably have their own version of how they became to be so who knows how they see how it went.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

The word Orsimer (-mer being elf) exists to refer to them but I can't recall how often it's used in-game.

Praetorian Mage
Feb 16, 2008
Camilla is pretty dumb not to see through those letters. I suppose the fake letter from Faendal is somewhat plausible, but the fake letter from Sven is ridiculous. It's also really annoying that there's no third option to tell her that both the letters are fake. That's Bethesda quest writing for you.

Chaeden posted:

I honestly usually do a fair bit of wood chopping. Its not terrible coin for how little work you are actually doing and with the mods I have I think that's one of the things that became weightless. So I don't mind standing there chopping wood while I play a handheld or something for awhile then once I feel I have enough honest work going about my way getting the rest of my money in the game via looting and selling.

Even if wood chopping isn't worth a lot, it's cool that they added little things like that for you to do for a bit of starting money. It's even better if you have a mod that keeps you chopping forever until you press a button to stop, as opposed to having to use the chopping block over and over because you normally stop after three chops. That mod is really handy when I'm starting out and need a lot of firewood to make a crossbow and bolts.

Chaeden posted:

Also I can say I have NEVER sided with Sven. I don't like him much to start with, he starts out with a dagger as his weapon compared to a decent bow on the elf, and as Alpha was saying the free training is nice if you want bow training which Faendal is a trainer of. I believe that trick works because if you pay to train with someone and they are your companion you can immediately pull the cash back out of their pockets because while they are your companion you have almost free access to their pockets for giving and taking items(They have a base set of clothing they don't let you steal from them. This is annoying in some cases in the future because companions only wear the 'best' armor pieces in their inventory. Not a issue with Sven or Faendal because they both are wearing 0 armor clothing. But if they were wearing heavy armor and you say....wanted to SNEAK somewhere it'd be near impossible to give them a light armor so they don't clank everywhere they go.).

This is also a problem if you have a follower who wears light armor or robes and you want them to carry a set of armor without equipping it. They aren't even very smart about what the "best" armor is, since they only consider the armor's base armor rating irrespective of any tempering or enchantments. This also means that if they wear mage robes and you want to give them robes with a better enchantment, they won't equip them, because they have the same armor rating. You'd think that even if they added nothing else, they would realize the need to control what followers use. The whole follower system is pretty half-assed and feels like something they added at the last minute.

AlphaKretin posted:

The word Orsimer (-mer being elf) exists to refer to them but I can't recall how often it's used in-game.

From what I remember, it's almost never used. Pretty much everyone just says Orc.

Praetorian Mage fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 9, 2015

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
It's one of the bits of world building from back when Bethesda still gave a poo poo - it's technically correct but few people remember.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

There's kind of a third option but it's spoilers and not a direct resolution of the quest.

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013

anilEhilated posted:

It's one of the bits of world building from back when Bethesda still gave a poo poo - it's technically correct but few people remember.

If I recall, one of (if not the) only times "orismer" is referenced is when doing the quest for that guy who wants to open the Dwemer box (same guy you have to talk to to find out the location of the main quest elder scroll) as it needs dwemer blood to be opened, but since there are no dwemer, he think he can make a facsimile (or something) if you bring him blood from all other types of elves, he then lists them, bosmer, falmer, altmer, dunmer and orismer.

Can't think of anything else where the fact that orcs are technically a type of elf is relevant.


Edit: whoops, forgot about the spoiler thing, thanks whoever the mod was who put those spoiler tags in.

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Stephen9001 fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 9, 2015

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Grashbar
Aug 17, 2014
Stephen I think LizWiz said no mentioning anything about plot past what's already happened in the thread.

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