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Windows 98 posted:The difference between justice and vengeance is simple. Justice is resolution devolved out of the law of the land and abides by the moral code of society. Vengeance is whatever the gently caress you want due to a personal vendetta for punishment. I can serve justice as a judge who wasn't involved in the altercation. If something didn't actually happen to me I can't act out vengeance (avenging is different but also not justice). haha calm down dude its not like he hit here with a shovel or anything
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I mean sure if you want to grossly simplify things I'm basically proposing everyone have a one free get out of manslaughter ticket but the overall intent is to focus on a justice system that devotes it's money towards reducing incidents rather than one that devotes money towards punishing people because that's what is right. Some level of deterrence via possible penalties will of course be a positive thing but I think in a case like this locking the father up for negligence wouldn't do any good.
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Oct 6, 2015 19:54
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genetically engineer dogs to pack heat then do the thing in kids books where they choose between owners. losers get a facefull of double ought
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Oct 6, 2015 19:58
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Frostwerks posted:haha calm down dude its not like he hit here with a shovel or anything Please do not make light of shovel crimes. Shovel violence is an epidemic which is sweeping the nation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXQ49jtr6HQ BONK! BONK! BONKITYBONKITYBONK!
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Oct 6, 2015 20:01
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ArbitraryC posted:I mean sure if you want to grossly simplify things I'm basically proposing everyone have a one free get out of manslaughter ticket but the overall intent is to focus on a justice system that devotes it's money towards reducing incidents rather than one that devotes money towards punishing people because that's what is right. Some level of deterrence via possible penalties will of course be a positive thing but I think in a case like this locking the father up for negligence wouldn't do any good. Not unless you take the additional step of taking the kid and giving him a lot of therapy and better education than "shoot other people you don't like" maybe
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Oct 6, 2015 20:24
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ArbitraryC posted:I mean sure if you want to grossly simplify things I'm basically proposing everyone have a one free get out of manslaughter ticket but the overall intent is to focus on a justice system that devotes it's money towards reducing incidents rather than one that devotes money towards punishing people because that's what is right. Some level of deterrence via possible penalties will of course be a positive thing but I think in a case like this locking the father up for negligence wouldn't do any good. No one grossly oversimplified anything, you have consistently and clearly argued for everyone having a free get out of manslaughter ticket, and yet somehow believe this will reduce further incidents. It seems like it might reduce repeat offenders, but I imagine the overall incidence of negligent homicide would go up if we decided on this as punishment. We could probably greatly reduce the amount of future negligent homicides by publicly executing the father and/or son, but thankfully our justice system and overall ideas of fairness aren't built around short term measurable goals such as that. The U.S. undeniable has a lovely criminal justice system, but you should at least think about whether or not your proposed changes to it would be result in a net positive, because it doesn't seem that they would. It seems you want to completely eliminate the idea of criminal negligence as a way to fix unrelated issues with the prison system, as well as being weirdly concerned over maintaining a traditional nuclear family structure for the kid.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:29
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Even if you don't MEAN it that way, the ease with which it's interpreted to mean "everyone gets a freebie" kind of shows why it would be a bad way to run the criminal justice system like that. Laws are open to intepretation and that interpretation isn't a good one.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:31
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someone hasn't said it this page yet so if only she had gun, then this, not happen
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Oct 6, 2015 20:31
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I had thought that was just goon hyperbole that people said that but no the shooting in Oregon made otherwise rational people on Facebook go nuts with it.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:31
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If the victims only had guns, too... They'd miss the shooter and hit some innocent bystanders and then when SWAT gets there 10 minutes later they won't know who is who and they'll just shoot everyone with a gun. Brilliant.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:34
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It helps when you have extremely wealthy gun manufacturer's lobbying that comes right out and tells you that is the correct opinion to have:
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Oct 6, 2015 20:35
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seems to me the parents should be executed and the kid sent to police academy. hes gonna be a fine cop
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Oct 6, 2015 20:36
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Blazing Zero posted:hes gonna be a fine cop
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Oct 6, 2015 20:37
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guns dont kill people, tezzor's censorship does
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Oct 6, 2015 20:38
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imo each NRA boardmember should be forced to pick a rifle (nothing insane just a regular gun) and then they should all be forced to go into the worst parts of LA or Chicago and just hang out there for a month. Like they're on a camping expedition or something.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:38
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MaKayla...Yeah I'm conflicted.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:39
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Marketing New Brain posted:No one grossly oversimplified anything, you have consistently and clearly argued for everyone having a free get out of manslaughter ticket, and yet somehow believe this will reduce further incidents. It seems like it might reduce repeat offenders, but I imagine the overall incidence of negligent homicide would go up if we decided on this as punishment.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:39
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the kid is a natural whats the problem
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Oct 6, 2015 20:39
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You guys keep ignoring the fact that this is in a rural area. Things are different out here. The closest help can be 30 minutes away sometimes. Firearms are a necessary part of life. You guys keep talking like "UGH WQOW I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ACCESS TO A FIREARM" like... hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns are just a part of life out here. Which is why the kid should go down for 1st degree murder. He knows what guns are, knows how to use them, knows what they can do.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:40
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Moridin920 posted:If the victims only had guns, too... They'd miss the shooter and hit some innocent bystanders and then when SWAT gets there 10 minutes later they won't know who is who and they'll just shoot everyone with a gun. I don't think I've ever heard of this happening. Statistically it has to have happened once, at some point, somewhere. Seems like it would be something the media would latch on to as well. It just never ever comes up. Pretty sure it's a big myth OH NO WHAT IF THIS EDGE CASE TRAGEDY THAT NEVER HAPPENS ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!?! You hear about police and military collateral damage all the time though maybe we could take those guys guns away for a trial run and see how it works out?
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Oct 6, 2015 20:41
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CuteJen96 posted:they don't have to be locked up. I keep my glock 40 loaded with a round in the chamber on my nightstand. i keep the shotgun under the bed and in reach. America.txt
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Oct 6, 2015 20:42
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gary oldmans diary posted:the kid is a natural yeah he's a shoe in for special forces
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Oct 6, 2015 20:42
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Harrower posted:I don't think I've ever heard of this happening. Statistically it has to have happened once, at some point, somewhere. Seems like it would be something the media would latch on to as well. It just never ever comes up. Pretty sure it's a big myth OH NO WHAT IF THIS EDGE CASE TRAGEDY THAT NEVER HAPPENS ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!?! You hear about police and military collateral damage all the time though maybe we could take those guys guns away for a trial run and see how it works out? happened just the other week actually. Bystander w/ gun tries to shoot carjackers, ends up hitting the victim in the head and then ran away. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/
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Oct 6, 2015 20:43
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Harrower posted:I don't think I've ever heard of this happening. Statistically it has to have happened once, at some point, somewhere. Seems like it would be something the media would latch on to as well. It just never ever comes up. Pretty sure it's a big myth OH NO WHAT IF THIS EDGE CASE TRAGEDY THAT NEVER HAPPENS ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!?! You hear about police and military collateral damage all the time though maybe we could take those guys guns away for a trial run and see how it works out?
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Oct 6, 2015 20:43
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Indy posted:America.txt
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Oct 6, 2015 20:43
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i legit want everybody to be armed now i think it would be hilarious and funny and yes that is the correct response to have to every american packing heat at all times
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Oct 6, 2015 20:43
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Darth123123 posted:theres like 5 gun threads in gbs now Fewer than the number of gun murders in America today so keep posting
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Oct 6, 2015 20:44
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Darth123123 posted:theres like 5 gun threads in gbs now tezzors gonna change some hearts and minds
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Oct 6, 2015 20:52
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Moridin920 posted:imo each NRA boardmember should be forced to pick a rifle (nothing insane just a regular gun) and then they should all be forced to go into the worst parts of LA or Chicago and just hang out there for a month. Like they're on a camping expedition or something. What makes you think you'd have to force them, they'd pay for this privilege
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Oct 6, 2015 20:55
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ArbitraryC posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/ Moridin920 posted:happened just the other week actually. Bystander w/ gun tries to shoot carjackers, ends up hitting the victim in the head and then ran away. He policed up his brass, gonna have to give him a pass on this one.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:55
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CuteJen96 posted:You guys keep ignoring the fact that this is in a rural area. Things are different out here. The closest help can be 30 minutes away sometimes. Yes sometimes you can't wait 30 minutes before shooting somebody, it's really different out here in the sticks
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Oct 6, 2015 20:56
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you lameass city slickers with your cops doing all the shooting omg
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Oct 6, 2015 20:56
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it's better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:58
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Out here in the Bushland we take matters into our own hands when it comes to puppies
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Oct 6, 2015 20:59
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CuteJen96 posted:You guys keep ignoring the fact that this is in a rural area. Things are different out here. The closest help can be 30 minutes away sometimes. We should open an american zoo. You'd be the premier attraction.
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Oct 6, 2015 20:59
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i dare say the people who represent gun manufacturers may not be supporting guns for reasons of "freedom"
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Oct 6, 2015 20:59
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CuteJen96 posted:You guys keep ignoring the fact that this is in a rural area. Things are different out here. The closest help can be 30 minutes away sometimes. I don't give a poo poo where you live, don't give a little kid who still has a developing brain (as in they don't even have a fully developed sense of empathy at such a young age) access to guns or teach them how to use them. Don't leave your loving gun loaded.
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Oct 6, 2015 21:00
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ArbitraryC posted:Well except the dad is an adult capable of making their own decisions and understands what death is. That would be murder then and as a potential danger to society it would make sense to have them behind bars for some period of time. Depending on how much culpability you want to assign an 11 year old with a shotgun, while you could still call this a murder the fact that the kid got ahold of the shotgun was not premeditated on the dad's part. It was irresponsible sure, and he shouldn't be allowed to have guns, but if he had no guns he wouldn't be a danger. Manslaughter?
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Oct 6, 2015 21:00
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Moridin920 posted:I don't give a poo poo where you live, don't give a little kid who still has a developing brain (as in they don't even have a fully developed sense of empathy at such a young age) access to guns or teach them how to use them. Look sometimes your 10 year old gets in an argument over a puppy and somebody needs to get shot, that's just how it is in THE WASTELAND
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that guy got shot in the head but is in stable condition he must be very lucky as far as someone who gets shot in the head goes
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