Arrow Season 4 - Definitely better than that last one

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Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I liked this premiere better than Flash's. Flash did a lot of tying things up and getting the team back together, while this premiere set a lot of plots in motion instead (Thea's rage, Digg's issues, Dahrk (who I hope gets a Magnificent Bastard competition with Merlyn)). Nice to see Oliver with a smile, I hope he doesn't lose that in future episodes.

That said, they have a hell of a lot of work to do with the stinger. I don't think I've ever seen a show do a "this year, SOMEONE. WILL. DIE." that actually satisfied. Best thing I think they could do in that respect is to ignore that whole thing until it happens, leave the stinger and speculation as a "treat" for fans and not something to be hammered home. Last thing this show needs is more time jumps, and if they get into "by the way, did we remember to tell you that SOMEONE. WILL. DIE." in future episodes it's gonna be stupid.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 05:39

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 18:27

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Portax posted:

The writers teased Green Lantern so hard that I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be Hal Jordan's grave.

The grave stone reads "any hope of Green Lantern appearing in this show."

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 08:18

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bad Moon posted:

Anybody else weirded out by Amell using his normal tenor while talking instead of the usual deeper Grim Oliver tone? Like, you get used to one thing and it's weird hearing him using that tone when he's in the Arrow Cave. The lighter tone starts with Amell's voice.

I noticed that too. He sounds like one of the Power of Friendship side characters while Diggle and Thea have taken over as brooding mainliners.

My favorite part of the episode would have to be when Dahrk (Dark? Darkh? Dharkh?) revealed his name Ollie's reaction was "done talking FIRE ARROWS!" No "Dahrk? Ras's outcast frenemy and the only person he feared? I will stop you!"

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 20:20

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Scyantific posted:

That's probably why he started firing arrows. He knew poo poo was bad enough to warrant an immediate takedown.

Exactly. I'm really happy I didn't have to yell "shoot him you idiot" at my TV.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 03:05

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

zoux posted:

And the writers said in post interviews that they haven't decided who's gonna be in that grave for sure so try not to get Lost af in here.

If they're not just BSing the fans (because a "we're not telling" will have people trying to weasel it out of them at every public appearance), that's exactly how you *don't* do something like this. You're writing a blank check with an expiration date and assuming you'll have enough money in the account to pay whatever the fans qrite there when it comes due.

...that is a TERRIBLE analogy, but gently caress it I'm posting live.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 04:42

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

BreakAtmo posted:

These are somehow all wrong. It's Damien Darhk.

Bloody hell, you'd think that after 30 years of spelling Channukkahh I'd have this permutations thing down pat.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 06:25

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

greatn posted:

It wasn't even really a gently caress up. Securing the package was far more important to the plan than killing a couple of vigilantes. Dude made the right call. That's just poor management from Darhk. You admonish your subordinates in private, not in public.

I can't remember, did Ras take a similar approach? I know some of his guys killed themselves out of loyalty, but I don't recall if "less than perfect" was a death sentence.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 00:16

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Zutaten posted:

So does that mean we'll get Power Girl in Flash/Arrow then instead?

That would be a fun way around the embargo.

"I was cloned in a lab." "Really? Who from?" "Oh, you wouldn't know her" *wink at the camera*

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 00:18

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

"All of your attacks are focused around crippling people!"
"Gee, it's almost as if I was trained by an ASSASSIN or something."

Speaking of which, given Merlyn's opinions on bringing Thea back in the first place, what are the odds his solution to her issues will be "she belongs dead" and trying to kill her?

# ¿ Oct 15, 2015 22:08

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

32MB OF ESRAM posted:

I think its mostly that the article is calling him an "old friend" which may explain how Ollie came back from the dead after R'as killed him, but probably not.

I assume it's flashback material, since this is supposed to deal with the mystical somehow.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2015 00:23

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Pizdec posted:

Quting this for posterity.

Also, love the bump in action choreography this season. Less flips and more actual shooting of arrows, in S3 it was mostly swinging bows around like swords and it got real old real fast. Thea vs. Ollie was a nice showcase of "fighting styles as expressions of different personalities", something TV shows often struggle with.

Editing is still frantic as poo poo, but oh well, budgets.

A lot of the big hits in Thea vs Ollie tended to be blocked by shelves and such which would then get knocked over. A bit annoying to notice, but I suppose if they're having trouble selling those parts of the fight it's a better option.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2015 00:25

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

My Q-Face posted:

Why are Laurel and Thea digging up Sara and trying to resurrect her? I don't buy Nyssa's assumption that it has anything to do with grief, because it's a year later.

Because Laurel is broken.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2015 08:29

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

You can't leave a "get out of death free" card lying around, it just gets cheap. You need to come up with a new card every time.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2015 05:44

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Natalya Fartz posted:

I kinda hope it's Roy's grave, after another cutting room floor flippy fight scene. Mostly cause it would be the biggest cop out.

Roy actually died at the beginning of that flash-forward, but it was cut for time. The scene wasn't supposed to be ambiguous at all.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2015 18:48

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Rhyno posted:

The Ray/Cisco Brodown was the best part of last season. If he wasn't going to LoT I'd be just fine with him moving to Central City.

To be fair, Cisco/Everybody is pretty high on the list of both shows. He interacts well with people.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2015 21:59

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I have to say, when I heard Lady Cop would be on the show I didn't expect her to be the bad guy.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2015 06:26

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Diggle is clearly Mr T.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2015 01:12

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

That was a fun episode.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2015 06:01

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I'm still weirded out by S4 Ollie being happy, or at least *trying* to be happy.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2015 02:27

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

The Darkness formerly known as Rising.

# ¿ Nov 10, 2015 07:46

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Golden Bee posted:

Also Thea loves Roy forever! Thea is pushing people away due to her murderousness! The wants to find love with a guy whose had two scenes of setup!

I assume he's gonna wind up evil.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2015 09:30

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bad Moon posted:

Merlyn is the most awkward dad it's hilarious.

His look at the end seemed like "a chance to help my daughter AND screw over Darhk? You DO love me!"

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 06:10

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

BrianWilly posted:

One of these guys should probably go deal with that pedophile at some point though, yeah?

Accused pedophile. Malcom said never convicted.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 07:22

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bad Moon posted:

i wondered if anybody else thought it was real dumb for Lance to talk about the dock thing he read off the desk literally seconds after Dahrk said he's lost trust in him and threatened him? Like that's a set up if I ever saw one.

Yeah, that body is gonna drop.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2015 00:47

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

His scenes didn't wind up lost in editing, they hid out of shyness.

# ¿ Dec 3, 2015 01:08

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

BrianWilly posted:

Someone mentioned earlier that Felicity has a right to be mad and it's like...not really? Or only...kinda? She's just making Oliver's legitimate problems all about herself, as usual. It makes sense that she has a hangup about Oliver keeping secrets but her total lack of sympathy here was just as frustrating as it always is.

And, you know, trust works two ways.

When they got back to the apartment and the jar of stones was scattered all over the floor I assumed it was ring time. Guess they have some more distance to go until then.

# ¿ Dec 3, 2015 06:08

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bad Moon posted:

The Mummy was awesome we should be so lucky to have a90s era Brendan Fraser doing his Han Solo impression

The Mummy worked for the same reason Army of Darkness does; it's campy fun that *knows* it's campy fun. That self-awareness is why Flash/Arrow work pretty well (CW drama aside) while Supergirl is still in the "I'm going to walk over here and say my lines" phase, and the Egypt flashbacks didn't have that.

# ¿ Dec 3, 2015 20:21

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Judging from the trailer I don't think Felicity gets fridged.

looks more like a walk-in supermarket freezer

# ¿ Dec 5, 2015 02:47

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

raditts posted:

At least they didn't do the ultra clichéd "surprise t-bone" I guess?

Even Supergirl did that one this week. While in flight.

That end scene, they did the exact same thing in Godfather or Untouchables or something, didn't they?

# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 06:02

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Aphrodite posted:

Gunning down a car is a very common movie thing.

Yeah, I mean the juxtaposition with the Boss spending quality family time and music appropriate to that scene rather than the shooting.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 06:05

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

So is Darhk making a self-sustainable ecosystem for hiding out from some "cleanse the planet" biological weapon, or does he just plan to start selling Perri-air?

# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 06:55

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

ShakeZula posted:

Yeah, it's kind of funny that when Ollie asked Dahrk what would happen if he refused his offer, the answer was "You won't be running unopposed," as if HIVE would indeed introduce their own candidate. Instead, they went the subtler route of armed kidnapping and gas chambers.

I sincerely thought Darhk was going to run for mayor. "This battle will be fought in the light" and all that. A bit late for that now, though.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 20:31

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Bad Moon posted:

"I got this picture of Damien Dahrk for the head of a secret society called the League of Assassins, whom I learned from the clandestine spy organization called ARGUS"

"This is the only picture of Damien Darhk, aside from the ones we got by illegally hacking traffic cameras. You know, the ones that show him being chummy with the Police Chief. But that's okay, we're friends."

# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 22:45

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

yronic heroism posted:

Personally I think a DAahark rendition of Santa Baby was the way to go in that scene. Although technically Santa is a Christmas figure his image is a lot more secular than baby Jesus.

They were just at a lighting ceremony, so I think Ner Li Dakik (I Have a Candle) would work well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XPbf0bMqg4

The downside is not as many commercial versions as Christmas songs. Most goyim don't even know we have ones that don't involve dreidels.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2015 19:41

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Yeah, the main thing for Amell is that they were able to give him more physical stunts than a typical celebrity guest, and he did a good job of executing/selling them. Even something as simple as

takes some effort.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2015 17:02

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Barrowman is getting paid to write fanfiction about the character he plays on TV based on a comicbook.

Living the dream.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 20:05

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Does this mean Vixen S2 will be longer than a half hour all put together?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2016 00:08

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Senerio posted:

He also posted this thing that probably ALSO gave certain fans a heart attack.

squee!

# ¿ Jan 24, 2016 22:26

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Rocksicles posted:

Squee? gently caress right off. Grow up.

Look, Phantom of the Opera was written specifically for stars with unusual vocal ranges. If anyone gets even CLOSE to pulling those high notes off, I'm gonna squee.

# ¿ Jan 27, 2016 00:05

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 18:27

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I guess they're putting Vertigo in pain pills now.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2016 05:54

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