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Oct 12, 2015 21:46
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A, if you go Unholy Alliance, everything will become a cakewalk, why even play then.
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Oct 12, 2015 21:47
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A!. Any WWII that doesn't involve Nazis freezing to death in Russia is a WWII not worth having!
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Oct 12, 2015 21:48
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sheep-dodger posted:A, if you go Unholy Alliance, everything will become a cakewalk, why even play then. Does it make things THAT easy? It doesn't draw the US into the war early or something?
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Oct 12, 2015 21:53
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Well, It will wildly increase my threat to the US, but I don't believe they'll go to war until Japan attacks them in 1941 (which they will, considering they're almost done in China). Secondly, this will give Germany time to grow their army to monstrous size. So, as to making the game easier.....no? If anything, it will make the dynamic of the game much different. I will still have to fight Germany at some point, and if we have an alliance with them, break it, and attack them, it will draw Japan into the war on Germany's side.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:01
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B Hard Mode Activated!
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Oct 12, 2015 22:04
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PurpleXVI posted:Does it make things THAT easy? It doesn't draw the US into the war early or something? Even if it did (which it doesn't), the only threat to the USSR is Germany, there is literally no other land army in the game that (in AI hands) could actually threaten a Soviet-German alliance. I have no idea though how the German AI deals with it if the event is modded for them to accept it, so take it with a grain of salt, but our only current existential threat is Germany, allying with them would take any challenge out of the game.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:06
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sheep-dodger posted:Even if it did (which it doesn't), the only threat to the USSR is Germany, there is literally no other land army in the game that (in AI hands) could actually threaten a Soviet-German alliance. I have no idea though how the German AI deals with it if the event is modded for them to accept it, so take it with a grain of salt, but our only current existential threat is Germany, allying with them would take any challenge out of the game. You're forgetting that at some point, we will have to fight Germany, regardless of if we ally ourselves with them now. Japan will also join the war on their side if we fight them, putting us in a two front war versus Japan (who's actually really been expanding their land army, and is qualitatively better than anything we're packing).
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Oct 12, 2015 22:09
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We are the best timeline. We are ruled by the rarely encountered benevolent Stalin who gives a third of his country's industrial output to helping anarchists and socialists in Spain. No throwing in with fascists either permanently or as a convenience to build up our forces and beat him later. We fight for the freedom of our comrades in Poland. Option B
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Oct 12, 2015 22:11
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team overhead smash posted:We are the best timeline. We are ruled by the rarely encountered benevolent Stalin who gives a third of his country's industrial output to helping anarchists and socialists in Spain. B
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Oct 12, 2015 22:14
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Teriferin posted:A!. Any WWII that doesn't involve Nazis freezing to death in Russia is a WWII not worth having! This
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Oct 12, 2015 22:16
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Teriferin posted:A!. Any WWII that doesn't involve Nazis freezing to death in Russia is a WWII not worth having! Yes
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Oct 12, 2015 22:18
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team overhead smash posted:We are the best timeline. We are ruled by the rarely encountered benevolent Stalin who gives a third of his country's industrial output to helping anarchists and socialists in Spain. I agree. Whatever the Trotskiest counter-revolutionary propagandists may claim, Comrade Stalin is in fact a true believer in the rule of the people, not in cementing his own control. For the sake of Workers around the world we must support our brothers and fight the Fascists and Capitalists across the globe. b!
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Oct 12, 2015 22:24
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Gentlemen. Poland is our's. B.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:26
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Gamerofthegame posted:Gentlemen. I didn't even think of rejecting both the Axis AND the Allies. Poland is ours. Changing my vote to B
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Oct 12, 2015 22:30
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We must choose the Best option for our nation.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:34
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Just in case, if we choose Option B, I'll write a new decision path for the Poles. Historically, one of the bigger barriers to an Anglo-Soviet alliance was that the Poles were not at all thrilled about the idea of Soviet troops on their soil. This isn't at all surprising when you consider the previous twenty years of Polish-Soviet Relations, and so I'll write this into the event path. But it all depends on how you vote, so vote!
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Oct 12, 2015 22:51
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A White Guy posted:Just in case, if we choose Option B, I'll write a new decision path for the Poles. Historically, one of the bigger barriers to an Anglo-Soviet alliance was that the Poles were not at all thrilled about the idea of Soviet troops on their soil. This isn't at all surprising when you consider the previous twenty years of Polish-Soviet Relations, and so I'll write this into the event path. Changing my vote to B, I should have more faith in the Communist cause.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:57
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Bote, comrades!
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Oct 12, 2015 23:06
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A White Guy posted:Just in case, if we choose Option B, I'll write a new decision path for the Poles. Historically, one of the bigger barriers to an Anglo-Soviet alliance was that the Poles were not at all thrilled about the idea of Soviet troops on their soil. This isn't at all surprising when you consider the previous twenty years of Polish-Soviet Relations, and so I'll write this into the event path. I've always found the period right after the first war fascinating. Nothing like an endless series of revolutions and border wars to give a map maker and aneurysm.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:17
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Our alliance must stretch from sea to C.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:20
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A White Guy posted:You're forgetting that at some point, we will have to fight Germany, regardless of if we ally ourselves with them now. Japan will also join the war on their side if we fight them, putting us in a two front war versus Japan (who's actually really been expanding their land army, and is qualitatively better than anything we're packing). Sure, but a) there's literally nothing in Siberia all the way to lake Baikal, so the Japanese can march for nearly a year before they actually threaten anything valuable and b) Germany really is most dangerous to the USSR the earlier they attack, if the player can decide when the war begins and can delay it by several years, then it's hardly a challenge plus c) I think, but I'm not sure that Germany would probably call you into one of their wars, which would likely put you at war with the Allies, and afaik you can't DoW a country you are fighting a war together with, so any war with Germany would by necessity have to wait until after the Allies are finished, which will take forever since you'd have to develop and build an entire navy to invade Britain and the US. Sure, you can mod most of that, but at least from the way it's set up in vanilla with only the acceptance chance modded, it would be supremely boring.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:38
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B is for ВОДКА
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Oct 12, 2015 23:41
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B Mother Russia stands alone. Apart from all our communistic chums, obviously.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:42
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Goddamn B. gently caress Nazis.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:47
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sheep-dodger posted:Sure, but a) there's literally nothing in Siberia all the way to lake Baikal, so the Japanese can march for nearly a year before they actually threaten anything valuable Um, only 30% of our oil production? The Azerbaijini oil fields are still vastly more important than our Siberian reserves, but don't discount how hugely important Siberia is to Russia - especially in terms of Rares. sheep-dodger posted:and b) Germany really is most dangerous to the USSR the earlier they attack, if the player can decide when the war begins and can delay it by several years, then it's hardly a challenge Yeah, I'd absolutely agree with that. The USSR vs Germany war is really all about stalling for time if you're the USSR. sheep-dodger posted:plus c) I think, but I'm not sure that Germany would probably call you into one of their wars, which would likely put you at war with the Allies, and afaik you can't DoW a country you are fighting a war together with, so any war with Germany would by necessity have to wait until after the Allies are finished, which will take forever since you'd have to develop and build an entire navy to invade Britain and the US. Yeah, that is a good point, but one that is completely overcomeable with modding. It looks like the thread is going with Option B (which I seriously never anticipated  ), so this is kind of a moot discussion.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:56
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b What's a let's play without thoroughly breaking history?
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Oct 13, 2015 00:15
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C, the most a-historical of the choices! To explain, during the Czech "crisis" the Soviets tried to convince the British-French alliance to declare on Germany. Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the German attempt to cool Stalin off, which worked since the Soviets were promised half of Poland. CoffeeQaddaffi fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Oct 13, 2015 00:19
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A White Guy posted:Um, only 30% of our oil production? The Azerbaijini oil fields are still vastly more important than our Siberian reserves, but don't discount how hugely important Siberia is to Russia - especially in terms of Rares. If it works anything like how it does in EU4, I think I'd be perfectly happy trading a chunk of our oil production to make the low manpower country take shittons of attrition.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:26
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B Power to the people, never negotiate with the fascist running-dogs. 
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Oct 13, 2015 00:46
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C Because Communism is for every friend!
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Oct 13, 2015 01:04
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Alright, I finished the secondary event chain, which took a little longer than I thought it would. There was one amusing bug where the entire world would get the alliance event, so consequently, the entire world was allied with the Soviet Union. New update later tonight. I'll close the voting at 8 PM PST.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:18
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gently caress everything, C
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Oct 13, 2015 03:52
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team overhead smash posted:We are the best timeline. We are ruled by the rarely encountered benevolent Stalin who gives a third of his country's industrial output to helping anarchists and socialists in Spain.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:58
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Voting Closed! A. 4 B. 1 C. 8 The Bs have it, we're rejecting the pact with Nazi Germany. New update very soon!
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Oct 13, 2015 03:59
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 monstrous post incoming We are the Soviet Union. These are the trails and travials of the People's Vanguard from August 1st, 1939, to October 20th, 1939. On August 6th, the Germans formally propose a pact to divide Eastern Europe between themselves and the Soviet Union. Stalin, GOONSKI, and Molotov raise their eyebrows at such an offer, before rejecting it out of hand. It would be insane, they declare, to suddenly make nice with their chief ideological enemy! In response, Hitler, who has staked everything - his party, his leadership, his rhetoric - at this point on his future impending war, issues the final order.  (I'm still trying to get around the mental gymnastics propagandists on both sides would've had to gone through to justify an alliance in the media). Germany mobilizes for war. In the Soviet Union, GOONSKI and Stalin realize that now that they've rejected the Germans, they've pitched in with the Allies. The only logical next step is to appeal to an old enemy. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.   On August 7th, the day after rejecting the German proposal, the Soviets make their own proposal to the Poles - a non-aggression pact and an alliance, versus Germany.  oh poo poo. The Poles respond with a firm no. They will face Germany alone. Molotov, in a fit of rage, smashes his desk into pieces. Regardless, the clouds of war hover on the horizon.  Stavka High Command orders a general mobilization of all reservists. Europe now stands poised on the brink of war.  At 3 AM on September 2nd, the German deadline ultimatium for the acceptance of conditions demanded in the diplomatic note earlier in the year expire. Germany and Poland are now at war, and by extension, the UK and France are as well.  This gives the Germans some really fat bonuses. They don't stand a chance and there's nothing we can do about it. Germany will show the world a new type of war, a war unlike anything previously experienced.  Basically everybody starts mobilizing at this point. Ethiopia mobilizes, then Belgium, then Italy, and so on and so forth. Everywhere around the world, the alarms bells of war ring louder. Canada joins the Allies, and Denmark begins to mobilize their diminutive army.   Australia pitches in with the Allies. The entire Commonwealth is preparing for war.  By September 10th, large streches of Poland have been lost to the intial German offensive. A Polish counter offensive is under way in Prussia.  5 days later, the Polish counter offensive is stopped cold. The Germans have largely broken through in Southwestern Poland.  By September 22nd, Western Poland has been lost.  A little slower than I would've thought. By October 2nd, Warsaw itself is on the frontlines.  And by October 5th, Warsaw is lost. Poland is not finished yet (87% surrender progress), but the end is very near.  I have no idea how Germany does this. The AI is really dumb sometimes, there is really no reason the French should lose a province with level 10 forts, ever. In the West, the Germans have broken through the Maginot line.  Finally, on 16th October, after a desperate defense by the Poles around Lwow, the war in Poland is over, and the Polish government capitulates entirely.  And in the West, even more bad news, as the German breakthrough expands tremendously. It would seem everywhere German soldiers go, they triumph.  The only happy news in that Bleak October was from Spain. A Republican offensive had recaptured Madrid, and Republican Forces were threatening Burgos(the Nationlist capital) from the East and North. It looked as if the Republicans may very well win the war. Despite the happy news from Spain,GOONSKI was in a dark mood. Moscow was in an impossible predicament. It was either now, or never. The USSR would go to war, or it would sit this one out. Consequently, GOONSKI drew up plans for a massive offensive, the Wilno-Lwow Strategic Offensive.  In the first phase, three fronts, almost a million men, would rampage through Eastern Poland, occupying a line from Brest-Litovosk to the Carpathains. In the second offensive after the army had consolidated their position, the Russians would push the Nazis out of Poland alltogether. In the first offensive, the prime airfields of Brest-Litvosk and Lwow were the targets. As the border currently stands, most of the Russian airforce cannot support ground operations. Unfortunately, such a declaration of war in the West would mean war in the East, with Japan, who was still occupied in China. In the East, Soviet arms were decidely at a disadvantage. While reinforcements were rapidly moving east (3 corps of infantry right now), they would take up to 4 more months to arrive. Consequently, if Stavka was to strike now, it would need to prepare for a defensive in the east.  Unfortunately, there were not even enough men in the Far East to man the entire border in Mongolia and in Khaborvosky Krai. Additionally, the loss of Vladivostock was absolutely unacceptable - Vladivostock was a prime submarine base from which to raid Japanese naval convoys going too and fro from China. Consequently, the decision was made to hold Vladivostock at all costs.  Operational reserves were allotted to the areas to be held. The Russians would hold an easily defensible phase line extending from the Khentii Mountains on the western most side of the line, to the Sea of Okhotsk on the east. Here was the weakest part of the phase line, which was anchored in nothing but empty plains. Additionally, the operational reserves of the front would have to placed on the eastern most edge of the phase line to defend the only serviceable port in the Sea of Okhotsk  The port of Ulya, from which all of the supplies of the Vladivostock defence area would originate for the next two years until reinforcements could arrive to reopen the Siberian railway. For this task it was woefully underequipped. GOONSKI ordered its immediate expansion, but the 1st expansion would not be finished till May of 1940.  Near Vladivostok, soldiers began moving to their new defensive positions and digging in. Here, the brave defenders of the people would hold a fish-hook line extending from the fortified Vladivostok east to the sea. A mobile reserve of two light armored divisions would serve as the defensive reinforcements in case Japanese pressure served to be too much in any one area. If Japanese pressure became too great, the defensive area would fall back on a secondary defensive line, concentrating much more of the defenders in a smaller area. The weakest part of the defensive line would be in the west, on the plains facing Manchukuo. Though it appeared that the defenders were widely outnumbered, the incredibly defensive terrain would mean that the Japanese would suffer tremendous causalities to take the city. Additionally, the defenders had another advantage - the city had the only serviceable airfield for almost 400 kms in any direction. Finally, the defenders had the courageous and skilled Shaposhnikov leading them, another advantage that the Japanese would have to surmount. The armies of the massive Soviet beast began moving to their jumping off points. War is coming, and it is coming quick. You may be wondering why I didn't just guarantee Poland outright. The problem is that fighting on the turf of other Factions is...weird. Mostly in that, if I take a province from Germany, it returns to its original owner, Poland, which isn't supplying my troops. This generally means that it's absolutely impossible to fight on another factions turf against the Axis. I couldn't, for example, fight in France against the Nazis, because they wouldn't supply me. Plus, if you're gonna outright reject my offer of assistance, it would be kinda silly to help you anyway
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Oct 13, 2015 05:57
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Oh Poland. Would they have supplied you if they'd accepted the non-aggression and alliance pact?
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Oct 13, 2015 06:08
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Veloxyll posted:Oh Poland. Yeah. All of our supplies would've been drawn from Warsaw.
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Oct 13, 2015 06:19
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Poland, you idiots!  At least Spain worked out great for us! Fete the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and join the allies!
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Is Spain mostly a done thing now (so we can scale the help back a bit) or should we wait another 6 months for security? I'm assuming the Axis can't really afford sending IC to Franco right now, so Spain should be safe. How the bloody hell did pixel Hitler bust through the Maginot line? The whole loving point was that they couldn't just bust through it, they instead went around it, and no matter how strong a fortress line is cut supply lines are cut supply lines. The Saurus posted:Poland, you idiots! E: can we use Spain to open a second front in the west later on? Omobono fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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