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Hang on, baby. Before we go any further I'm gonna need your John Hancock on a few of these forms, that is, if you're ready to gently caress. Please sign here, here, and here.... and date here.
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SHISHKABOB posted:The kid is right: stopping every ten minutes and getting a yes is stupid as gently caress. But you shouldn't ridicule the idea of actively seeking consent. I don't know why you think we're in disagreement. I'm not ridiculing the idea of active consent, I haven't at any point in the thread. My argument is there are other ways to get and give consent beyond the merely "explicit verbal." The right look, the right touch, the right smile should be considered enough in hot and heavy situations.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:12
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What I do to imply consent is at every escalation of the sex act, I give out a really guttural "ohh yeaaaahhh" and I encourage my partner to do the same.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:13
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SHISHKABOB posted:The kid is right: stopping every ten minutes and getting a yes is stupid as gently caress. But you shouldn't ridicule the idea of actively seeking consent.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:14
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remember when chappelles show did a skit about this like a decade ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4568PIRnk terrible quality video but  oh heh it's rashida jones
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Oct 15, 2015 14:14
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Applewhite posted:I don't know why you think we're in disagreement. Shishkabob is a massive loving idiot just ignore him
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Oct 15, 2015 14:14
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I'm Crap posted:great that's what everyone else was saying too numbnuts, but keep making more moralizing stupid unfunny posts anyway Seriously. I stand by my earlier assessment that Shishkabob is actively looking for reasons to take offense.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:15
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Sintax posted:What I do to imply consent is at every escalation of the sex act, I give out a really guttural "ohh yeaaaahhh" and I encourage my partner to do the same. Did he snap into your slim jim
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Oct 15, 2015 14:15
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I'm glad I've managed not to rape anybody in my life even though I didn't go through the formal written consent process, according to the internet I'm the only person in the history of the world to have achieved this feat.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:17
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Sintax posted:What I do to imply consent is at every escalation of the sex act, I give out a really guttural "ohh yeaaaahhh" and I encourage my partner to do the same. Kool-Aid Man had this poo poo figured out decades ago 
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Oct 15, 2015 14:18
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autism and women. that'd be a good book name
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Oct 15, 2015 14:18
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Aiden Ryan is going to get back to school after prom night and be known as a total goober in the sack.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:19
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Applewhite posted:Seriously. Shishkabob actually cannot read at all
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Oct 15, 2015 14:20
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Prawned posted:I'm glad I've managed not to rape anybody in my life even though I didn't go through the formal written consent process, according to the internet I'm the only person in the history of the world to have achieved this feat. Actually a lot of adults are still virgins.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:21
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corpuscollossus posted:Expecting people to pause at regular intervals to get verbal consent is not reasonable. It's not how sex goes. I feel like in the larger context of the article that is not really what they are actually teaching, it's more just explaining the idea of checking you're both into the escalation, and even giving them tips for how to make that more natural. Sure, as adults we probably don't need to be as formal as all that but for young kids it could be pretty useful, I can actually see it leading to better sex in general given that it promotes communication. There can be some weirdness and strange redefinitions of consent that start to creep into college campus feminism stuff, but I don't see any of that here.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:22
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Moola posted:Shishkabob actually cannot read at all Ouch, that's gonna come back to bite him in the rear end at sex contract time. Shishkabob: "I didn't consent to anal!" Judge: "I'm sorry but is this not your signature on these documents?" Shishkabob: "I...it is, your honor." Council for the plaintiff: *facepalm*
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Oct 15, 2015 14:24
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Moon Atari posted:I feel like in the larger context of the article that is not really what they are actually teaching, quote:“What does that mean — you have to say ‘yes’ every 10 minutes?” asked Aiden Ryan, 15, who sat near the front of the room. quote:“Pretty much,” Ms. Zaloom answered. quote:“Pretty much,” Ms. Zaloom answered. quote:“Pretty much,” Ms. Zaloom answered. quote:Ms. Zaloom
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Oct 15, 2015 14:28
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So did you read the entire last sentence of what you quoted or just the first two words?
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Oct 15, 2015 14:31
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So the problem is that women are apparently taught to fear saying no (not sure who by, maybe I missed that bit in Sex Ed class) and so they have to say yes at frequent intervals. Um... so are women not capable of lying? If they are, then we'd better break out the lie detectors too! "May I continue intercourse?" "What? Yes!!" "Are you sure?" "God yes come on...." "Can't be certain... can I stick these pads on you, just need my lie detector to confirm you mean it" (Men, of course, cannot be raped) TBH, there's an easy way to avoid this problem: don't have sex with this type of person. Why would you even want to? Wouldn't the perpetual scowl be a bit of a bonerkill?
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Oct 15, 2015 14:32
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SHISHKABOB posted:The kid is right: stopping every ten minutes and getting a yes is stupid as gently caress. let me echo everyone above in saying that you're an utter dumbass and this is all anyone has been saying this whole time, you complete fuckup
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Oct 15, 2015 14:32
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Moon Atari posted:So did you read the entire last sentence of what you quoted or just the first two words? Lighten up.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:33
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Mrs. Zaloom? lmao
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Oct 15, 2015 14:35
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social vegan posted:10 minutes? lol
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Oct 15, 2015 14:35
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I hope it still sucks for them. That's half the fun of it.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:36
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if this topic upsets you, you've never had a normal relationship. seek help
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Oct 15, 2015 14:36
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Moon Atari posted:I feel like in the larger context of the article that is not really what they are actually teaching, it's more just explaining the idea of checking you're both into the escalation, and even giving them tips for how to make that more natural. Sure, as adults we probably don't need to be as formal as all that but for young kids it could be pretty useful, I can actually see it leading to better sex in general given that it promotes communication. There can be some weirdness and strange redefinitions of consent that start to creep into college campus feminism stuff, but I don't see any of that here. Mostly agree. My only issue with it is when the teacher says 'pretty much', it sends out a warped message to a class of (mostly) virgins about how things go during sex, much in the same way drug education went for me in school in the early 90s. I had the impression that drugs were pushed by knife-wielding pimps and that my brain would be turned into gel. When you inevitably get drugging, you find a lot of normal people having a great time and maybe don't drug as responsibly as you should because you realise this gay life is a lie. Sex education needs to empower girls to voice it when they're uncomfortable and ensure the guys know that their awkward fumbling might be okay up to a point, but understand that there's limits and to be sensitive to when they're pushing them.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:39
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Applewhite posted:Literally my only complaint. Applewhite posted:I don't know why you think we're in disagreement. Well then, from your mockery of the article I would have thought otherwise.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:40
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I think it's a good idea, although sometimes the notary gets a bit pissy about house calls
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Oct 15, 2015 14:41
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"Hey guys if she pushes you away maybe ask if shes ok, hey girls if he's doing stuff you're uncomfortable maybe mention it" would probably be reasonable. However the whole "hey can i kiss you" "hey can I undress you" "hey can i engage in foreplay" "hey can i get on with the sex already" is dumb and hilarious.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:41
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Has this thread been ruined by insufferable pedants yet?
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Oct 15, 2015 14:43
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Well I am now imagining a dude all like 'areyoustillintothisareyoustillintothisareyoustillintothisareyoustillintothis' the entire time while the girl is mechanically answering 'yes....yes....yes.....yes....yes'. The consent app records constantly and if it hears a pause will instantly call the police and set off nearby wirelessly connected alarms, which have of course been installed everywhere.
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ashgromnies posted:lol yes listening to a person with a muslim name about sex, i am sure they are not totally repressed and in favor of stoning anyone who engages in non-marital sex I spent the night with a Muslim girl once. I didn't know she was Muslim until i woke up the next morning to a pair of Korans on the nightstand. That one really freaked me out. I don't know why she had two of them, maybe I was supposed to take one on my way out?
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Nodelphi posted:Has this thread been ruined by insufferable pedants yet? Did you even read the OP?
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i actually did learn this from movies and poo poo when i was a teenager. my earliest sexual encounters were ridiculed with requests to do poo poo, and (surprise surprise) girls hate that. this also glosses over the fact that some girls like to say "no" to people they want just so they wont feel like sluts for having sex
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LegoPirateNinja posted:i actually did learn this from movies and poo poo when i was a teenager. my earliest sexual encounters were ridiculed with requests to do poo poo, and (surprise surprise) girls hate that. A big part of this seems designed to change girls behaviour as much as it is men's, they just can't acknowledge that too explicitly or they'll be accused of victim blaming.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yes but they are ok with the converse: if someone doesn't say yes, then you should continue. im pretty sure the fact that the girls wanting to have sex again and talk to me afterwards is evidence enough that it was consensual are you supposed to do this every time am i supposed to ask my girlfriend whenever i try to kiss her? is she supposed to do the same to me?? this is DUMB, stop defending it
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LegoPirateNinja posted:i actually did learn this from movies and poo poo when i was a teenager. my earliest sexual encounters were ridiculed with requests to do poo poo, and (surprise surprise) girls hate that. I attended a presentation in college called "May I Kiss You?" which was essentially the "explicit positive verbal consent" thing. My girlfriend and I thought it sounded like a good idea and tried it. Shortly thereafter we both agreed that it was stupid and went back to having sex like normal people.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:50
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I have never had sex. I'm 35.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:51
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i love old man slipknot hoagie, he never asks if i want it like the boys do, he just takes me and ravishes my body the way it was meant to be.
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serious norman posted:I have never had sex. I'm 35. Strangely enough, you're still a rapist by current standards.
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