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He literally owns a packers share and then you say he doesn't seem like an idiot.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:05
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seiferguy posted:The Mariners are doing a conference for introducing Scott Servais, so far he's said this: Scott Servais is a cool dude
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Oct 26, 2015 20:12
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Groucho Marxist posted:I would maybe quit following baseball forever if my team decided on a 5 year tank The Cubs were nearly on that plan, I guess it was more like a 4 year tank.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:16
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The Cubs' draft plan didn't "work out" anyway if you look at their picks. Honestly, same goes for the Astros and the Astros really really tried hard to game things knowing that the #1 pick is what you really need.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:21
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Dr. Tommy John posted:He literally owns a packers share and then you say he doesn't seem like an idiot. People pay money for sports memorabilia, not sure how this makes you an idiot. Other than probably the 20% who bought it because they thought it really meant something. All my friends who own one know it does nothing and it's just hanging on their wall in a frame.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:29
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http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/155574080/alex-anthopoulos-addresses-media-wraps-up-15 N: Anthopoulos gets asked about the status of his contract which is up in five days, doesn't want to talk about it. V: I hope he stays.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:31
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Groucho Marxist posted:I would maybe quit following baseball forever if my team decided on a 5 year tank some teams are so good at it you don't even know they're doing it on purpose
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Oct 26, 2015 20:33
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:A team that thinks it can compete doesn't flip Carlos Gomez and Mike Fiers for prospects. But Santana has already been contributing and I'm assuming you will see Phillips in September. You flipped him so you could compete sooner because you weren't going to resign him. They need to figure out how to get Nelson, Jungmann, and Peralta to click. You should be trying to compete within 3 years, but yes, it is a very difficult division in its current state so I can see why fans of the Reds/Brewers would think this is a crazy idea.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:47
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Dr. Tommy John posted:He literally owns a packers share and then you say he doesn't seem like an idiot. I don't know much about Packers' fandom, but I had a coworker who was from the area talk about how the Packers were about to release new stocks and that he needed to get on it. I even said "why bother buying it? It doesn't give you any rights" and he basically said "unless you're from Wisconsin, you wouldn't understand." And this was a manager who made serious financial decisions for the company. Sports fans are irrational, some more irrational than others. And the Packers being a full-on socialist organization being owned by the people is somewhat cool. And as a Seattle fan, I have no ill will towards the Packers, because I'll always have the Fail Mary and the NFCCG.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:57
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Thom P. Tiers posted:But Santana has already been contributing and I'm assuming you will see Phillips in September. You flipped him so you could compete sooner because you weren't going to resign him. They need to figure out how to get Nelson, Jungmann, and Peralta to click. You should be trying to compete within 3 years, but yes, it is a very difficult division in its current state so I can see why fans of the Reds/Brewers would think this is a crazy idea. Doug Melvin's playoffs every 3 years plan is what put us into the situation where our farm was empty and things needed to be torn down. I'd rather suck for 5+ years resulting in a team that's competitive for at least 5 years than rush a rebuild and continue to be a mediocre team that depends on unsustainable hot streaks to even appear to compete. Although I agree with you that pitching is the biggest problem. The Brewers have a ton of hot-and-cold power bats that can drive in a lot of runs over a whole season, but the pitching hasn't been able to keep them in the close games. I'm too lazy to count them, but there were quite a few games that were 0-0 for 5+ innings with the brewers scoring 1 run late in the game (usually off a dinger) and then the pitcher melting down the next inning. I read some analysis that showed that if even 50% of those games had had the pitcher lock down the next inning after the Brewers score, we would have at least had a winning record this year.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:01
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seiferguy posted:I don't know much about Packers' fandom, but I had a coworker who was from the area talk about how the Packers were about to release new stocks and that he needed to get on it. I even said "why bother buying it? It doesn't give you any rights" and he basically said "unless you're from Wisconsin, you wouldn't understand." And this was a manager who made serious financial decisions for the company. It's basically a donation to fund stadium improvements and supporting that area of Green Bay (around Lambeau). Voluntary stadium tax donations as opposed to mandatory ones and you get a cool piece of paper to frame and also make bad jokes about going to the shareholders meeting next year and demanding changes. If he literally bought it thinking he was getting some sort of cool rights in an NFL team then yea he is an idiot, but it's a small minority who actually believe that.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:02
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Dr. Tommy John posted:He literally owns a packers share and then you say he doesn't seem like an idiot. Person is cool and good, does cool and good things and buys cool and good stuff, is an idiot.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:02
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Thom P. Tiers posted:It's basically a donation to fund stadium improvements and supporting that area of Green Bay (around Lambeau). Voluntary stadium tax donations as opposed to mandatory ones and you get a cool piece of paper to frame and also make bad jokes about going to the shareholders meeting next year and demanding changes. All he said was a Packers shareholder, and said it tepidly because he probably felt like he had just offended everyone in the room when he said it.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:05
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Doug Melvin's playoffs every 3 years plan is what put us into the situation where our farm was empty and things needed to be torn down. I'd rather suck for 5+ years resulting in a team that's competitive for at least 5 years than rush a rebuild and continue to be a mediocre team that depends on unsustainable hot streaks to even appear to compete. I feel like Doug Melvin's plans were "we can win with this team" every single year no matter what he did or didn't do in the offseason. He made no effort to rebuild ever during his reign as GM (except for the initial rebuild when he got there in 2002). He took over a bad team in 2002, made it into a decent team by 2007, one that could compete for several years, and then ever since 2012 he just kept thinking he could turn whatever he had into a competing team, and never really showed why he thought that. Basically what I'm saying is it needed to be torn down in 2013 and he didn't do that, so now they are stuck with a rebuild in 2016 instead.
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Oct 26, 2015 21:08
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Dr. Tommy John posted:He literally owns a packers share and then you say he doesn't seem like an idiot. This was funny and I'm sorry people got their feelings hurt
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Oct 26, 2015 21:16
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i honestly had no idea that packers shares being dumb and mockable was a take, let alone a hot one
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Oct 26, 2015 21:29
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I guess I missed the joke
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Oct 26, 2015 21:32
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Kris Bryant wins NL Rookie of the Year. By Sporting News... Popete fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Oct 26, 2015 23:32
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Groucho Marxist posted:I would maybe quit following baseball forever if my team decided on a 5 year tank If you're the Reds or the Brewers what's the alternative, hoping that the 3 teams you finished between 26 and 33 games behind this year all simultaneously explode into fine mist or have massive young talent regressions while you luck into a 90+ win year with what you have right now + whatever you pick up in free agency and what your farm can develop in the next year or two? If the division were one good team and 4 interchangeable ~.500 teams you can hope and wish yourself into July contention but looking at any reasonable projection of the NL Central from now until 2020 what series of miracles need to happen for either Milwaukee or Cincinnati to finish 1st or 2nd?
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Oct 26, 2015 23:53
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The Berzerker posted:http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/155574080/alex-anthopoulos-addresses-media-wraps-up-15 He was on McCown a week ago and said something to the effect of him thinking that a GM's contract details should never be leaked, which is why he is saying they are "private conversations" here. I don't think there should be any worry that he's leaving.
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Oct 26, 2015 23:55
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It is extremely improbable that the same three teams in a division will all win 97+ games in a season for five straight years. You go for your window based on how far away your talent is, not being afraid to try because other teams are good.
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Oct 27, 2015 00:16
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Groucho Marxist posted:It is extremely improbable that the same three teams in a division will all win 97+ games in a season for five straight years. You go for your window based on how far away your talent is, not being afraid to try because other teams are good. Yeah, the window metaphor is you opening your own, not closing everybody else's.
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Oct 27, 2015 00:26
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The Royals spent a solid two years getting crushed by the sabermetric set for going for it, and have won consecutive pennants. The Mets got absolutely crushed by the sabermetric set for going for it just this year after getting absolutely crushed by the sabermetric set for not tanking hard enough, and they just won the pennant. The Astros, who are the "success" of the tanking franchises, got nearly none of the assets on their first playoff team from the actual tank itself. And their two tank for 1-1 drafts (2013 and 2014) are both looking shaky as heck, albeit at a very early stage. This isn't the NBA. And the hard tank only "works" for one team at a time anyways because the systemic advantages are only at 1-1 under this CBA.
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Oct 27, 2015 00:52
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Dunno which thread this goes in, but Torii is retiring: http://www.startribune.com/longtime-twins-star-torii-hunter-decides-to-retire/337283601/ I assume MLB/ESPN hosting gigs are in his future as he decides if he wants to try out coaching. Otherwise I get the hunch he's got a lifetime "Special Ambassador" spot open with the Twins.
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Oct 27, 2015 00:56
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Thom P. Tiers posted:I feel like Doug Melvin's plans were "we can win with this team" every single year no matter what he did or didn't do in the offseason. He made no effort to rebuild ever during his reign as GM (except for the initial rebuild when he got there in 2002). He took over a bad team in 2002, made it into a decent team by 2007, one that could compete for several years, and then ever since 2012 he just kept thinking he could turn whatever he had into a competing team, and never really showed why he thought that. FWIW I have never been able to get a solid bead on whether the Brewers' insistence on trying to sneak into the playoffs as a wild card with a mediocre team was on Melvin or on ownership. They both were publicly in support of bumbling about with a 78-win quality team, though, so it doesn't really matter that much. That's why I feel like this year happening was a good thing for them in the long run, because now the organization seems to realize that signing solid but aging pitchers in a rotating door of desperation isn't the way to actually consistently compete. So yeah, the tear down needed to happen earlier, but at least it happened at all.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:20
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Carlosologist posted:Alex Gordon will probably be closer to 20M per year given how well he's hit over the last five years. Durability isn't an issue either, no idea why that anonymous GM thinks Gordon is only worth 12-13M given that offense is still at a premium Remember when Alex Gordon was on track to being a Frenchy-level bust? Baseball's weird.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:34
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jeffersonlives posted:The Royals spent a solid two years getting crushed by the sabermetric set for going for it, and have won consecutive pennants. Both the 2014 Royals and the 2015 Mets also benefited from regression - in the Royals case, the first AL season in the two WC era that went to a sub-90 win team and in the case of the Mets having a +11 improvement season at the same time the Nats had a -13 win collapse (not to mention an overall weak East that allowed a 90-win division champion since the 89-win Phillies in 2007.) Neither team was more than 9 games out of a playoff spot the year before. Since the advent of the 10-team playoffs the average playoff team has 92.9 wins. The average WC team has 91 wins. The lowest win total was 86. If you're a team like the Royals (86 wins 2013, within striking WC distance) or the Mets (potential for amazing rotation via young/recovering arms + taking advantage of a softer than expected division) you can reasonably pull the trigger on winning now. If you're the Brewers and you're 30 games back right now, even a 2013-level Red Sox one year turnaround (28 wins) doesn't even get you a Wild Card spot without regressions from the rest of the division. That is a team that under even unreasonable circumstances is 2-3 years away from contending/lucking their way into a WC spot and that assumes their farm is strong enough to develop MLB talent, the office is willing to spend on the FA market (or trade away the farm in July for a rental) and the teams ahead of you do not also improve.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:39
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Geoff Peterson posted:Dunno which thread this goes in, but Torii is retiring: who's going to fill that void left on the Minnesota Twins' bad opinion production?
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Oct 27, 2015 01:44
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CubsWoo posted:Both the 2014 Royals and the 2015 Mets also benefited from regression - in the Royals case, the first AL season in the two WC era that went to a sub-90 win team and in the case of the Mets having a +11 improvement season at the same time the Nats had a -13 win collapse (not to mention an overall weak East that allowed a 90-win division champion since the 89-win Phillies in 2007.) Neither team was more than 9 games out of a playoff spot the year before. This is basically the exact same low info poo poo Dave Cameron was writing about the 2015 Rangers six months ago. It was funny then too
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Oct 27, 2015 01:44
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I enjoy the general sabermetric adherence to projected win curve, but ignorance of the real one.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:54
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Three 2015 playoff teams finished 15 or more games out of the playoffs in 2014. One of them was even the Cubs!
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Oct 27, 2015 02:00
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Dr. Tommy John posted:I enjoy the general sabermetric adherence to projected win curve, but ignorance of the real one. 
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Oct 27, 2015 02:05
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TheHoosier posted:some teams are so good at it you don't even know they're doing it on purpose Other than the Astros, the long term bad teams are just mismanaged and not outright trying to suck. The Mariners have sunk over a billion dollars in payroll since they last made the playoffs. Even the Marlins aren't tanking/rebuilding.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:08
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will_colorado posted:who's going to fill that void left on the Minnesota Twins' bad opinion production? Torii Hunter: racist scum, clubhouse dance machine, runner into-er of walls. I would have loved to have Span back over Hunter, but that's just me. In any case, he'll still get his statue or whatever outside Target Field, they'll retire his number, and hopefully all we'll hear from him is when he waves at the camera during Hrbek's promos.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:23
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lol if you think torii doesn't have a long and infuriating broadcasting career ahead of him
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Oct 27, 2015 02:32
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Accident Underwater posted:Other than the Astros, the long term bad teams are just mismanaged and not outright trying to suck. The Mariners have sunk over a billion dollars in payroll since they last made the playoffs. Even the Marlins aren't tanking/rebuilding. Honestly I find it extremely hard to believe ANY professional team in any professional sport would "tank" in this day and age. These guys are so drat competitive and egotistical there's no way they'd allow themselves to lose over and over again on the slim chance at a #1 draft pick that might not pan out. The idea of intentionally tanking is hilarious and we all like the joke, but I'd be shocked if they were doing it. Though the idea of the Padres or Brewers intentionally being poo poo year in and year out in an attempt at landing the Baseball Messiah is awesome
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Oct 27, 2015 02:32
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TheHoosier posted:Honestly I find it extremely hard to believe ANY professional team in any professional sport would "tank" in this day and age. These guys are so drat competitive and egotistical there's no way they'd allow themselves to lose over and over again on the slim chance at a #1 draft pick that might not pan out. The idea of intentionally tanking is hilarious and we all like the joke, but I'd be shocked if they were doing it. Though the idea of the Padres or Brewers intentionally being poo poo year in and year out in an attempt at landing the Baseball Messiah is awesome tanking in baseball is done by the ownership at the roster/lineup construction level, not by the players hth
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Oct 27, 2015 02:40
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Dr. Tommy John posted:tanking in baseball is done by the ownership at the roster/lineup construction level, not by the players hth yeah that's true. I was thinking about the 2011 Colts and thought " well gently caress, those players didnt mean to lose that many games, but man they were bad..." so yeah agreed.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:44
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Since the MLB draft is such a crapshoot you probably don't need a number one pick to grab a franchise player anyway. Clayton Kershaw - picked 7th 2006 Giancarlo Stanton - picked 76th 2007 Buster Posey - picked 5th 2008 Mike Trout - picked 25th 2009 Nolan Arenado - picked 59th 2009 Jacob deGrom - picked 272nd(!) 2010
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