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Flowers For Algeria posted:Today is Wednesday, October 21st 2015. Some 80 people have perished or will perish in the United States of America beause of guns today. Good point. Before the invention of guns, there was no crime or murder.  Flowers For Algeria posted:There have been a couple shootings on street corners, a bunch of suicides with guns, a few gun-related accidents resulting in death today, and some cops shooting people. Murders on street corners are never motivated by anything other than the presence of guns. Suicides are impossible without guns. Cops are racist murdering shitheels that get away with extrajudicial executions all the time, though they murder folks without guns just dandy. (This is actually true and I'll give this point to you. FTP.) Flowers For Algeria posted:A good fraction got killed by people they knew and who had no criminal record. Criminals can only kill non-criminals with guns, and they only do so because of guns. Such murders never occurred before guns. Flowers For Algeria posted:Owning a gun was actually the number 1 cause of death for these people Yes, owning guns is a cause of death, I see it on the mortality stats all the time. Wow, such strong points. What amazing rhetoric.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:45
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Nintendo Kid posted:Having 4 guns is a hoard, deal with it. I know it's generally accepted that the increasing violence radiation causes more speed and aggression with every gun found on the map, but if you review the strategy guide it's very much more distinct: it's not until the tenth pickup when the gun owner gains rapid fire and ten seconds of invulnerability. You can tell when the enemy icon starts to flash.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:45
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Nevvy Z posted:Did we ever get a rational argument against sensible restrictions on the press, religion, and all other human rights beyond MY RIGHTS? I guess we never did......
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Oct 21, 2015 20:45
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Oct 21, 2015 20:46
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They only like hoarding guns for the eventual possibility of a
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Oct 21, 2015 20:46
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When poo poo hits the fan I'm gonna be king of gun mountain and then you'll all see how awesome and virile I am. YOULL ALL SEE!
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Oct 21, 2015 20:50
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If there is a race war I'm siding with the Mexicans as my papist brothers.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:50
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LeJackal posted:Suicides are impossible without guns. like did you miss the last fifty times it was pointed out that guns are far and away the easiest way to kill yourself? also, kill yourself.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:52
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LeJackal posted:Good point. Before the invention of guns, there was no crime or murder. You seem to have missed the other part, the one in quotes. Flowers For Algeria posted:When a gun fires the bullet that ends a life, the gun is partly responsible for the death. Not guilty, because it is an inanimate object, but responsible. It is involved. It is the cause of the death. The death occurred because of the gun. And yes, owning guns is a cause of death - well, at least, it has a measurable impact on death rates. Also you ought to reread what I say when I say: "A good fraction got killed by people they knew and who had no criminal record."
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Oct 21, 2015 20:53
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LeJackal posted:Good point. Before the invention of guns, there was no crime or murder. Humans often have an impulse to kill themselves or others, and guns make it a lot easier and more likely to succeed. It's obvious you aren't letting yourself admit this basic point and it makes you look unhinged.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:53
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Nevvy Z posted:Did we ever get a rational argument against sensible restrictions beyond MY RIGHTS? There is no better argument for anything in this lovely world, so no. No point in bothering. Friendly reminder: it's on you to justify why something should be outlawed, not vis-a-vie. And you need a better reason than "you might do something bad" as that is not the same thing as "definitely did something bad" ergo QED. Checkmate.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:55
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DeusExMachinima posted:There is no better argument for anything in this lovely world, so no. No point in bothering. lol
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Oct 21, 2015 20:56
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DeusExMachinima posted:There is no better argument for anything in this lovely world, so no. No point in bothering. But MY RIGHTS isn't a point against intelligent regulation of guns. It's, maybe, a point against a total ban of guns, if and only if you consider gun ownership to be a right. Which I don't, and most civilized countries don't, but the US, sadly, does not. Anyway, the Second Amendment does not preclude the existence of gun regulation, enven moreso since rights always exist within a certain framework.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:57
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It's obvious you all fear guns out of ignorance. Not like me, I own guns and they have been demystified unto me as Prometheus brought fire to man.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:57
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LeJackal posted:Its perfectly reasonable for a chef to own four knives. its perfectly reasonable for [person] to own four [bombs]
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Oct 21, 2015 20:57
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There was no constitutional right for slaves not to be enslaved for a long time and slave owners were perfectly happy with that, so the logic checks out, I guess? Up until they were given their rights not to be enslaved nobody at all bothered to help them or even work towards it since it was a futile, pointless gesture. It was only until the amendment passed, perhaps sprung from the quill of god himself, that it became a cause worth fighting.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:01
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Nevvy Z posted:Did we ever get a rational argument against sensible restrictions beyond MY RIGHTS? Gun hoarders are so insane that they think they have anything more to gain, and therefore should gain more. Meanwhile the amount of people willing to even own a single gun continues to slowly lessen. Thanks for posting further evidence that there's no need for it to be legal to purchase new guns. Just make them yourself if you really need it!
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Oct 21, 2015 21:01
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Flowers For Algeria posted:But MY RIGHTS isn't a point against intelligent regulation of guns. It's, maybe, a point against a total ban of guns, if and only if you consider gun ownership to be a right. Which I don't, and most civilized countries don't, but the US, sadly, does not. Anyway, the Second Amendment does not preclude the existence of gun regulation, enven moreso since rights always exist within a certain framework. DeusExMachinima posted:Friendly reminder: it's on you to justify why something should be outlawed, not vis-a-vie. And you need a better reason than "you might do something bad" as that is not the same thing as "definitely did something bad" ergo QED. Checkmate. If other countries disagree with the above whether the subject is guns, hate speech, whatever, they can feel free to get poo poo on by the greatest country on Earth.  NNick posted:its perfectly reasonable for [person] to own four [bombs] It is in fact entirely legal on the federal level as well as all the cool states and always has been.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:01
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Flowers For Algeria posted:You seem to have missed the other part, the one in quotes. So without a gun, a criminal would be unable to murder? Without a gun, a suicide could not kill themselves? Pictured below: murders made impossible due to absence of gun.   NNick posted:its perfectly reasonable for [person] to own four [bombs] Watch out, there's a whole stand FULL OF EXPLOSIVES!  Lemming posted:Humans often have an impulse to kill themselves or others But those urges to commit murder only occur in the presence of guns, I though. 
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Oct 21, 2015 21:02
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Ddraig posted:There was no constitutional right for slaves not to be enslaved for a long time and slave owners were perfectly happy with that, so the logic checks out, I guess? What? I mean, what? This isn't true at all. Abolition was a movement even when the Constitution was signed, and it was growing fast. Hell, even when the Constitution was created, the founding fathers knew that Slavery was going to be a very touchy subject pretty soon, because both France and Britain were already on their way to abolishing slavery. Hell, 1772 was when the British Abolition movement really gained steam. LeJackal posted:So without a gun, a criminal would be unable to murder? Without a gun, a suicide could not kill themselves?  Nobody is saying that all murder will stop if guns are regulated, but it sure would put a dent in it.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:03
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CommieGIR posted:What? Too bad they weren't like the cool countries like the US. RIGHTS!
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Oct 21, 2015 21:04
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DeusExMachinima posted:If other countries disagree with the above whether the subject is guns, hate speech, whatever, they can feel free to get poo poo on by the greatest country on Earth. Well, first of all, we're not talking about "outlawing" guns, please reread my post. Second, the reasons why guns should be controlled have already been repeated over and over in this thread, please refer to my post where I link guns to surnumerary deaths. It's not simply "you might do something bad", it's "statistically, when given unrestricted access to this tool, people have a tendency to do something bad way more often". Also, there's a reason why "we never thought he could do anything like this" is a staple of the commentary of gun-related tragedies. Third, lmbo at "the greatest country on Earth". You're not making GBS threads on anyone when your own population is the one suffering from internal policy. Wait, no, maybe you're also making GBS threads on Mexico. But it's mostly on yourselves.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:07
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NNick posted:its perfectly reasonable for [person] to own four [bombs] So close, and yet so far. I mean, unlike guns, bomb collections really do have additive effect: having more explosive devices, especially in one place, increases both the likelihood of a massively destructive event and its severity. The other examples, like guns, do no such thing, even if you're trying to draw some sloppy  weapons of war comparison.The idea that someone collecting a bunch of guns is significantly more of a problem than someone having one gun isn't the dumbest pearl clutching on the anti-gun side, but that just says a lot about its competition since it's still pretty drat dumb. To be fair, like most reactionary soundbites I imagine a good number of those who say it know that, they just hope it will resonate with low-information supporters who aren't invested enough to think it through.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:08
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LeJackal posted:Watch out, there's a whole stand FULL OF EXPLOSIVES! I am glad we have established you selectively use language to try to make your point since you can't logically defend your positions  Edit: Killer robot posted:So close, and yet so far. I mean, unlike guns, bomb collections really do have additive effect: having more explosive devices, especially in one place, increases both the likelihood of a massively destructive event and its severity. The other examples, like guns, do no such thing, even if you're trying to draw some sloppy I guess mass shootings don't count as a "massively destructive event"
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Oct 21, 2015 21:08
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LeJackal posted:But those urges to commit murder only occur in the presence of guns, I though. Oh wow you're sure arguing in good faith! Wow your good and coo!l
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Oct 21, 2015 21:09
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LeJackal posted:So without a gun, a criminal would be unable to murder? Without a gun, a suicide could not kill themselves? No, but their ability to do it would be severely hampered! Let me post the table again because maybe your eyes glazed over it for some reason. But, after all, repetition is at the basis of teaching so I don't mind posting it again.  Are you able to read it, or do you need an explanation on what the words mean?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:10
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Lemming posted:Oh wow you're sure arguing in good faith! Wow your good and coo!l If you're in this thread and I'm the one shocking you with 'bad faith' it says very little about your ability to read. These threads are pretty much condensed bad-faith seams rich in personal insults, flawed logic, and barely concealed racism.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:12
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Killer robot posted:So close, and yet so far. I mean, unlike guns, bomb collections really do have additive effect: having more explosive devices, especially in one place, increases both the likelihood of a massively destructive event and its severity. The other examples, like guns, do no such thing, even if you're trying to draw some sloppy But gun ownership has been repeatedly shown as unsafe for the owner, and as being at the root of an elevated death rate amongst gun owners.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:12
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LeoMarr posted:
Actually, the government is monitoring and tracking the sale and transportation of ammonia nitrate now... you loving moron. http://www.dhs.gov/ammonium-nitrate-security-program-notice-proposed-rulemaking
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Oct 21, 2015 21:12
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LeJackal posted:If you're in this thread and I'm the one shocking you with 'bad faith' it says very little about your ability to read. Concealed racism... you mean, coming from the people who support gun availability and therefore more black people death?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:13
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A Winner is Jew posted:Actually, the government is monitoring and tracking the sale and transportation of ammonia nitrate now... you loving moron. And how many bombings has it sopped? NONE!!!??? Probably. lol stupid liberal fertilizer grabber Correlation does not equal causation!
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Oct 21, 2015 21:13
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Reminder that DREADED GUN HELLHOLE Australia's gun ownership rate is a little over 50% of America's.Killer robot posted:
I didn't say it's more of a problem. I just said it's a sign of hoarding tendencies. Reminder that the average guns per gun owner in America is 4.1 - considering how many people out there only have one gun, there's some serious hoarding to bring up the average that high. 70 to 71 million Americans owning 290-300 million or more guns. And hoarding tendencies well, aren't the TFR crew all about "supporting mental health"?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:13
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Well, first of all, we're not talking about "outlawing" guns, please reread my post. So you don't want to prohibit any types of firearms or accessories?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:14
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LeJackal posted:If you're in this thread and I'm the one shocking you with 'bad faith' it says very little about your ability to read. What makes you think I'm shocked? I could already tell you weren't arguing in good faith, you just made it extra obvious there. "Everybody else is shitposting so I'm shitposting" is also a pretty loving idiotic justification when the people arguing in bad faith are almost entirely gun nuts like yourself.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:14
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Nintendo Kid posted:Reminder that DREADED GUN HELLHOLE Australia's gun ownership rate is a little over 50% of America's. And what better way than to give the mentally ill their own GUNS. It's like you're stupid or something.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:14
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MariusLecter posted:And how many bombings has it sopped? NONE!!!??? Probably. lol stupid liberal fertilizer grabber At the end of the day bombs don't kill people, people kill people! Guess we shouldn't bother regulating them.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:15
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Nintendo Kid posted:And hoarding tendencies well, aren't the TFR crew all about "supporting mental health"? It's a catch .22 - people with mental issues shouldn't be allowed to own guns, people who want to own guns have mental issues.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:15
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DeusExMachinima posted:So you don't want to prohibit any types of firearms or accessories? Prohibiting some wouldn't be "outlawing guns". But at any rate I fully support the strict regulation of handguns, among others, yeah.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:17
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Flowers For Algeria posted:But gun ownership has been repeatedly shown as unsafe for the owner, and as being at the root of an elevated death rate amongst gun owners. So far as I've seen no one's demonstrated or even concretely asserted a link between (non-zero) number of guns owned and danger to the owner or others. Just many have implied it every chance they've gotten.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:20
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Flowers For Algeria posted:It's a catch .22 - people with mental issues shouldn't be allowed [political freedom], people who want to vote for the other party have mental issues. Flowers For Algeria posted:It's a catch .22 - people with mental issues shouldn't be allowed [religious freedom], people who want to worship some other god have mental issues. Flowers For Algeria posted:It's a catch .22 - people with mental issues shouldn't be allowed [expressive freedom], people who want to differ in their beliefs have mental issues. Flowers For Algeria posted:Concealed racism... you mean, coming from the people who support gun availability and therefore more black people death? I see, black people can't be trusted with firearms. I'm glad that in regressing to racist policy we've also regressed to the paternalistic racism. Instead of seeing the broken and racist systems of corporate welfare, for-profit prisons, racial-driven Drug War and economic genocide being perpetuated against minorities as the real issue. Flowers For Algeria posted:But gun ownership has been repeatedly shown as unsafe for the owner, and as being at the root of an elevated death rate amongst gun owners. Keep repeating the lie, eventually people will think its true. Lemming posted:What makes you think I'm shocked? I could already tell you weren't arguing in good faith, you just made it extra obvious there. "Everybody else is shitposting so I'm shitposting" is also a pretty loving idiotic justification when the people arguing in bad faith are almost entirely gun nuts like yourself. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
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