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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:It has been my experience that in general a lot of people who just tell you to DEAL WITH IT, often cannot deal with much themselves. Typically they make many youtube videos about how other people need to deal with it, and also how women are dumb whores.
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Agag posted:Typically they make many youtube videos about how other people need to deal with it, and also how women are dumb whores. Mmmmmmmno it kind of goes for a LOT of people if not most people
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Oct 22, 2015 23:05
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The world is as I say it is* and you just need to DEAL WITH IT *(Except for when it's not shut up you assholes  why won't any girls touch me? )
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Oct 22, 2015 23:05
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The feminists will never silence me. I will continue to film myself talking about what's wrong with women. (Why doesn't anyone love me? )
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Oct 22, 2015 23:10
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Is it possible to inform women they are wrong without it being "mansplaining"?
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Oct 22, 2015 23:36
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Uncle Wemus posted:Is it possible to inform women they are wrong without it being "mansplaining"? Why risk it?
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Oct 22, 2015 23:37
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Uncle Wemus posted:Is it possible to inform women they are wrong without it being "mansplaining"? Why the gently caress do you care what they think? gently caress you're beta bro
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Oct 22, 2015 23:42
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Most women are witches who practice magic and worship the Dark Lord. They travel in groups known as "covens" and open up small portals to hell in the woman's restroom. They use their evil ways to charm men to convince them that things like comic books, football parties, and video games are bad while things like the "Kardashians", expensive brand name shoes, and well done steak are good. Be wary, friends.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:47
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Applewhite posted:lol at that point just admit you don't want to give out candy at all. Because feminists are so fat they probably ate it all already.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:51
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Its fun to watch crazy internet people take feminist waaaay too goddamn far. Its funnier watching nerds respond to that. Like Sargon of Akkad getting into a debate with a feminist, getting schooled, then retreating to twitter to bitch about the feminist behind her back. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y43ZpfUswk
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Oct 22, 2015 23:53
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The Taint Reaper posted:Because feminists are so fat they probably ate it all already.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:53
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Gammatron 64 posted:I used to be on board honestly, but all those loud humorless weirdos have totally driven me away from it. Why though? I wouldn't want to hang out with the stereotypical internet feminist either, but it's a mistake to reject someone's ideology just because you have a problem with their personality. If you're feeling up to it, I'd suggest reading actual feminist philosophy (not buzzfeed or whatever). There's a huge diversity of thought and a lot of nuance that tends to get wiped out in internet echo chambers. For example, you don't seem to have met any self-identified feminists who believe that "equality" shouldn't be the ultimate goal of the movement, but we do exist and I'd be happy to talk about it.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:54
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Archer666 posted:Like Sargon of Akkad getting into a debate with a feminist, getting schooled, then retreating to twitter to bitch about the feminist behind her back. Where was this?
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Oct 23, 2015 00:08
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loquacius posted:Not many city homos enjoy sexual relations with women. I'm beginning to suspect you're not being entirely truthful with us vis-a-vis your position in the city homo hierarchy. poo poo time to cheez it
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Oct 23, 2015 00:11
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Dacke posted:Where was this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAwHrTowO0 She comes on around 1:28:00. Its hilarious to watch him sputter and freak out because she's asking him questions regarding his stances, then when asked for sources he doesn't provide anything.
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Oct 23, 2015 00:13
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Pththya-lyi posted:
we both know its yes on both counts creating imaginary subclasses of people within a capitalist social order who fight against each other over ever decreasing cultural and economic scraps. this is where "privilege checking" and victim one upping originates if you want to know why the left in the US is fractured and dead? there is your reason http://socialistworker.org/2015/04/15/privilege-and-the-working-class
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Oct 23, 2015 00:19
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Pththya-lyi posted:Look I know that a lot of feminists are obsessed with trivial crap, but that's hardly unique among ideologues. Look at all the different brands of socialists and communists who've spent over a century fighting with each other over how to apply Marxist theory! Mao Tse-Tung told his followers to be just as obnoxious to the people around them as any stereotypical Tumblrite. Does that mean we should reject socialist ideals? Maoism, Leninism/Stalinism and Trotskyism is a fascist political tendency and the left should discard every aspect of it.
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Oct 23, 2015 00:20
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Communism is a complete failure and socialism is utopian and unrealistic. hth
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Oct 23, 2015 00:28
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women are awful men are awful everyone is awful
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Oct 23, 2015 00:32
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAwHrTowO0 Jesus she walked all up and down his rear end... it wasn't even the sources, he just couldn't manage a coherent argument for half the poo poo he was trying to explain
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Oct 23, 2015 01:02
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Blazing Ownager posted:HAhahahah at "promotes rape culture" on the little kid's pirate outfit. tbf it is a little weird and disconcerting that we variably romaniticise or cartoonishly parody a group of people who really were violent, murdering, raping psychopaths, but I don't think a child's halloween costume is really the place to fight that battle
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Oct 23, 2015 01:06
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Dacke posted:Jesus she walked all up and down his rear end... it wasn't even the sources, he just couldn't manage a coherent argument for half the poo poo he was trying to explain He also contradicts himself several times and explodes several times. Around 2:21:00 he just abandons any pretense and starts ranting about feminists being idiots, which is my favorite part. His videos are a guilty pleasure of mine because of gems like this. The guy is such an idiot while setting himself up as a smart person, its amazing.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:10
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Applewhite posted:I would argue that while systemic ingrained pervasive misogyny is loathsome to be sure, as well as insidious in its subtlety, it's still possible for a woman (most women, in fact) to live a happy, fulfilled and productive life in American society. Ok but this is a case of misplacing your ire. You find the behavior and actions of said feminists to be contemptible. But you are not making any kind of statement beyond "if you're lucky then things are good (from my male perspective) when it comes to critiquing the actual tenets behind feminism. In other words, by connecting the feminist movement with these "objectionable" people, you're making a logical fallacy by not approaching the idea, but rather the character of these people. I think that your perspective and following statement (as a man, I am assuming, sorry if I'm wrong) is and was guided by the systemic culture of misogyny that you reference in the same paragraph. Since we exist within the system, we naturally think within the curves and corridors which make it up. Stepping out of the system is what lets your truly analyze it and understand it. I suppose that means comparing it with some other system, or perhaps asking questions about some of the most basic assumptions and things you take for granted. If we don't do this, then of course we will never believe and act towards a betterment of the women in this country.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:33
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GeneX posted:authoritarian Marxism is a complete failure and libertarian socialism is realistic and has succeeded throughout history to various degrees of success.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:35
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I am still not going to have drinks with angry feminists, it's just going to be a really bad time.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:42
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Uncle Wemus posted:Is it possible to inform women they are wrong without it being "mansplaining"? Mansplaining is simply a particular case of one person explaining to another person "how they should be feeling" but they do not share the same experiences or perspectives, but they disregard that and move on with the implicit assumption that their experiences and perspectives perfectly explain the situation. So yes you can tell a woman she is wrong if you are considering all perspectives and experiences in a rational manner and are making correct judgements based on those things.
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Archer666 posted:He also contradicts himself several times and explodes several times. Around 2:21:00 he just abandons any pretense and starts ranting about feminists being idiots, which is my favorite part. never link to that video or anything having to do with gamergate again tia
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:i'd rather die I think it's fun to talk to people I disagree with, or are just belligerent, on some interesting topic that has plenty of room within to grow my knowledge, especially if you're drinking. But I think you're imagining people who would not be conducive to that kind of useful and fascination discourse.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:54
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With Ralph gone this thread can go on forever
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capitalism is also a complete and utter failure yet people keep trying it in many ways it really is like a macrocosm of the lottery
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memy posted:With Ralph gone this thread can go on forever Ralp failed
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:capitalism is also a complete and utter failure yet people keep trying it You're coalescing many distinct efforts by many different people with many different goals in mind into one idea of "people trying capitalism" when in fact in reality things are very confused. By reducing the machinations of our government and of those who influence govt. policy into one simple phrase like you have, you transform the issue into an ideological one rather than something that can actually be solved through rational discourse and compromise.
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Troutful posted:Why though? I wouldn't want to hang out with the stereotypical internet feminist either, but it's a mistake to reject someone's ideology just because you have a problem with their personality. I think the basic idea behind feminism is a good one, just like how Marx had some good ideas here and there. I also believe that your typical feminist has pretty good intentions. However, like many ideologies, it often gets twisted into something vicious and ugly and the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. I don't hate women. I think they should be treated equally. They should get paid the same. Remember that old adage to treat others how you wish to be treated? I'm all behind that. But then I see a belligerent tumblrite or incendiary clickbait articles from places like Jezebel, XOJane or the Mary Sue. I'll see feminists shame men for being attracted to women that they're "objectifying them" then turn around and oogle some hunk on TV. Blatant hypocrisy and double standards just don't sit well with me. Rape on college campuses is a real problem, but I don't like being viewed as a potential rapist and monster just because I'm a man. I'd never do that. I'm not even capable of that - consensual sex is awkward and uncomfortable enough for me, if I tried to gently caress someone who was actively resisting I'd probably have a panic attack, be racked with guilt and contemplate blowing my brains out. I don't pretend that women don't face a lot of problems in today's society. They face a ton of them. But I also don't like being told my problems and feelings don't matter because I was born a white male. I'd say that men and women face different sets of problems. Our gender roles are hosed up and bad. I'd probably agree with feminists on 90% of what they say. But I just have a hard time backing it because like it or not, tumblr, clickbait, slut walks and so on has become the face of feminism, even if you don't subscribe to that particular brand. MRAs and PUAs are and will always be the worst of the worst, but I believe a lot of radfems are more like them in ways they wouldn't want to admit, in spite of being archenemies. I think all this aggression and "internet gender wars" stem fundamentally with a lack of understanding and empathy toward the other sex. I'm not siding with Gamergate or any of those clowns. I'm specifically avoiding taking ANY side because I'm so tired of all these gender wars.
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I'm mainly attacking the concept of "check your privilege." Imagine you're at work and a guy grabs your rear end. You feel violated and disgusted. But then someone says "well, it's not like you got beheaded for driving a car in Saudi Arabia" or "well, at least you're not a child soldier in Africa." Isn't that a little insulting, dismissive and lacking of empathy? How would you feel if you went through something like that, but I told you that your feelings don't matter because some other people have it worse? I have a hard time backing the movement as it is today when I'm told that as a straight white male, I should feel guilty and ashamed, just because I exist and other white males have done and continue to do terrible things. I was raised Catholic, I have enough guilt, thank you very much. When the majority of feminists stop viewing me as a potential enemy just for existing, maybe then I can jump back on board.
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idk the feminism that says women should have the same rights as men, like voting and having jobs and getting college degrees, and having access to birth control and abortion and stuff, and being able to go out at night without worrying about being assaulted... that was good stuff and i'm fully on board with that. the feminism that says all sex that wasn't preceded with complex consent forms notarized by a lawyer is rape, or that misandry isn't a thing, or that if you have privilege you can't have opinions on things, or that all body types are beautiful and you should stop erasing my demigender arospec theta-omnisexual identity.... that feminism doesn't really do it for me. gonna say it's not really my cup of tea. hth
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The Whole Internet posted:idk the feminism that says women should have the same rights as men, like voting and having jobs and getting college degrees, and having access to birth control and abortion and stuff, and being able to go out at night without worrying about being assaulted... that was good stuff and i'm fully on board with that. ok yeah that basically sums it up better than I did, thanks. we're in the same boat here
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Pththya-lyi posted:Look I know that a lot of feminists are obsessed with trivial crap, but that's hardly unique among ideologues. Look at all the different brands of socialists and communists who've spent over a century fighting with each other over how to apply Marxist theory! Mao Tse-Tung told his followers to be just as obnoxious to the people around them as any stereotypical Tumblrite. Does that mean we should reject socialist ideals? Actually I think its pretty good reason to reject people who identify themselves as specific brands of communist like Marxist/maoist/Stalinist or whatever, while maintaining the valuable parts of their philosophy and incorporating that into an actually functional ideology. I think it would be a bad idea to accuse anyone who disagrees with those groups of being capitalist filth. The same logic is true of feminism.
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SHISHKABOB posted:You're coalescing many distinct efforts by many different people with many different goals in mind into one idea of "people trying capitalism" when in fact in reality things are very confused. By reducing the machinations of our government and of those who influence govt. policy into one simple phrase like you have, you transform the issue into an ideological one rather than something that can actually be solved through rational discourse and compromise. my rational discourse is "eat the rich" and my compromise is that the faster they are killed the less their suffering will be
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