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Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

the film Crimson Peaks by Guillermo del Toro

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Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
zizeks jokes are funny, but he needs to work on some new material

dad gay. so what
Feb 18, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
get a room, nerds

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
im a lacan man myself, i think it's given me a very good perspective on how to watch bondage porn and hentai

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010

hey folks i saw you were talking about zizek. can you help me understand what the differences between hegel and marx and lacan and derrida are because i tried to watch his video series and all i got out of it was that they're all utopian thinkers and that zizek likes weird sex jokes like the one about mary magdalene having her vag healed by jesus and that represents a lacanian wound somehow???

Lawrence Gilchrist fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Oct 24, 2015

Horniest Manticore
Nov 23, 2013

Hello, you!
Lipstick Apathy
critical theory has reached its logical conclusion in tumblr. i hope theorists are proud of what they've done

WIFEY WATCHDOG
Jun 25, 2012

Yeah, well I don't trust this guy. I think he regifted, he degifted, and now he's using an upstairs invite as a springboard to a Super Bowl sex romp.
smells like a piss thread, looks like one too

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006

MAGNUM
Zizek is great because when somebody makes a really long, bad post you just read it in his voice and it becomes ten times better.

MaliciousBiz
Mar 28, 2010

I Pay to Poast on Internet
same, except freddy got fingered

Michael Bayleaf
Jun 4, 2006

Tortured By Flan
haha yeah I read uhhh zikzak as well

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Lawrence Gilchrist posted:

hey folks i saw you were talking about zizek. can you help me understand what the differences between hegel and marx and lacan and derrida are because i tried to watch his video series and all i got out of it was that they're all utopian thinkers and that zizek likes weird sex jokes like the one about mary magdalene having her vag healed by jesus and that represents a lacanian wound somehow???

They are not utopian thinkers.

Hegel was an idealist philosopher who examined the nature and principles of the movement/development of consciousness and self consciousness and how consciousness comes to know itself through encountering and resolving contradictions so to speak. His thinking is fundamental to avoiding stupid asperger logic trains of thought which divorce from reality

Marx used some of the principles and logic of Hegel to examine material phenomenon and from that discovered the hidden and seemingly mysterious inner workings of capitalism and the ways in which our relations to each other and to property and to commodities forms a self-sustaining system of class domination and ideology

Lacan re-interpreted the fundamental insights of psychoanalytic theory which were discovered by Freud. Lacan understands the subconscious as having its own internal logic which functions according to the structure and rules of language. His model of consciousness proposes that we are fundamentally linguistic beings and the Oedipus complex is a metaphor for the development of the socially integrated speaking being.

Derrida was a deconstructionist examining the nature of meaning as it is embedded in language and uses critical methods to peel back the layers of meaning in a text. This figure is the one I know least about so idk man maybe try reading something about him?

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Dr. Tim Whatley posted:

smells like a piss thread, looks like one too

That's your moistache ur smellin bruh

DoctorStrangelove
Jun 7, 2012

IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT MEIN FUHRER!

I don't know much about Zizek but I remember when Hellthread got moved to DnD there was this one guy in there who quoted Zizek in every one of his posts and it was really pathetic.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Commie NedFlanders posted:

They are not utopian thinkers.

Hegel was an idealist philosopher who examined the nature and principles of the movement/development of consciousness and self consciousness and how consciousness comes to know itself through encountering and resolving contradictions so to speak. His thinking is fundamental to avoiding stupid asperger logic trains of thought which divorce from reality

Marx used some of the principles and logic of Hegel to examine material phenomenon and from that discovered the hidden and seemingly mysterious inner workings of capitalism and the ways in which our relations to each other and to property and to commodities forms a self-sustaining system of class domination and ideology

Lacan re-interpreted the fundamental insights of psychoanalytic theory which were discovered by Freud. Lacan understands the subconscious as having its own internal logic which functions according to the structure and rules of language. His model of consciousness proposes that we are fundamentally linguistic beings and the Oedipus complex is a metaphor for the development of the socially integrated speaking being.

Derrida was a deconstructionist examining the nature of meaning as it is embedded in language and uses critical methods to peel back the layers of meaning in a text. This figure is the one I know least about so idk man maybe try reading something about him?

i read this in zizek's voice and imagined him pausing every 2 seconds to sniff or grab his nose or his hair and suddenly it became not boring

flerp
Feb 25, 2014
im gay for psychoanalysis of 1800s fiction

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

The Saurus posted:

i read this in zizek's voice and imagined him pausing every 2 seconds to sniff or grab his nose or his hair and suddenly it became not boring

its really loving weird how well my brain actually hears the zizek accent and coke sniffs and interrupting himself when i read words

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
Zizek's books way too loving expensive like drat nigga dont u know the only people wanna read your books is poor as poo poo

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Oberleutnant posted:

Zizek's books way too loving expensive like drat nigga dont u know the only people wanna read your books is poor as poo poo

Look we're the revolutionary vanguard here okay we can't have the drat plebs reading our books they can't be trusted

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

DoctorStrangelove posted:

I don't know much about Zizek but I remember when Hellthread got moved to DnD there was this one guy in there who quoted Zizek in every one of his posts and it was really pathetic.

Yeah the dude isnt even that influential in his field, hes just in a lot of pop culture


Hes like the dick dorkins of philosophy

Twerkteam Pizza
Sep 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

Horniest Manticore posted:

critical theory has reached its logical conclusion in tumblr. i hope theorists are proud of what they've done

I don't think you understand what critical theory is, unless you mean literary criticism?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Oberleutnant posted:

Zizek's books way too loving expensive like drat nigga dont u know the only people wanna read your books is poor as poo poo

it seems to me like Zezik wouldn't agree with copyrights, on a philosophical level. so i think :filez: is ok in this instance, a revolutionary act even

Ape Fist
Feb 23, 2007

Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.
He's a fun guy at parties.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Psychoanalysis is trash garbage that many philosophers still cling to because they are opposed to the idea of arriving at knowledge through experimentation rather than just thinking about it, and so are stuck drat near a century in the past behind modern psychology. Also because they're just so into trying to sound smart by dropping endless unnecessary references to classic literature that they can't appreciate scientific writing's focus on communicating simply and clearly, meaning they have completely ignored all progress in understanding the mind since that became a scientific rather than philosophical pursuit.

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Moon Atari posted:

Psychoanalysis is trash garbage that many philosophers still cling to because they are opposed to the idea of arriving at knowledge through experimentation rather than just thinking about it, and so are stuck drat near a century in the past behind modern psychology. Also because they're just so into trying to sound smart by dropping endless unnecessary references to classic literature that they can't appreciate scientific writing's focus on communicating simply and clearly, meaning they have completely ignored all progress in understanding the mind since that became a scientific rather than philosophical pursuit.

Lol wrong.

Modern psychology is dominated by insurance companies and an autistic Dick Dorkins reliance on positivism

People who are into psychology are taught to dismiss psychoanalytic theory without ever even reading it and they overwhelming do this because they are tools

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser

Commie NedFlanders posted:

Lol wrong.

Modern psychology is dominated by insurance companies and an autistic Dick Dorkins reliance on positivism

People who are into psychology are taught to dismiss psychoanalytic theory without ever even reading it and they overwhelming do this because they are tools

personally id like to see a nice lubed up kohut wrestling langs, both fighting over the right to be the first to declare autists just weren't loved by their moms enough only for kahneman to hoist his fat jew body over the corner ladder, explain them a little something called "regression to the mean", and peoples elbow them while they cry about countertransference

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
personally i'd love to write science fiction about mirrors and mechanisms and have people debate just what i meant by meconnaissance for forty years even though nobody i ever treated got better

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Commie NedFlanders posted:

Lol wrong.

Modern psychology is dominated by insurance companies and an autistic Dick Dorkins reliance on positivism

People who are into psychology are taught to dismiss psychoanalytic theory without ever even reading it and they overwhelming do this because they are tools

We are usually taught it alongside other alternative psychology practices, however having both an ethical and intellectual commitment to the scientific method just about everyone realises it is a primitive and redundant theory that has nothing to offer outside of historical value. There are plenty of very intelligent contemporary philosophers that could offer a useful alternative perspective on psychology, if they were willing to abandon redundant theory kept alive only by their worship of dead intellectuals. It reminds me of how progress in physics was held back for centuries because people couldn't stop sucking Aristotle's cock.

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
have you ever read story by robert mckee? now THATS a good analytic text...imho humble opinion

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
"no no, cellular time and firing rates can't possibly capture the je mais du gans of ego cathexis," i say as i stand over wundt's bleeding form. "what does this blood splatter look like to you, you gently caress? what does it look like to you, you gently caress? what does it loving look like to you, you gently caress?

Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
what the do you mean predictive power based on arbitrarily applied relational object constructs has no carryover output to non-arbitrary object constructs? look, i made the unconscious into an algebra, an algrebra!

cthulusnewzulubbq
Jan 26, 2009

I saw something
NASTY
in the woodshed.

Lord Binky posted:

haha yeah I read uhhh zikzak as well

wiffle ball bat
Oct 2, 2015

by Shine
i think im starting to come around on your gimmick op. it is not without its charms.

lite frisk
Oct 5, 2013
taints gettin' reaped itt imo


i mean the op's taint. yea.

dZPnJOm8QwUAseApNj
Apr 15, 2002

arf bark woof
freud basically launched a parallel history of philosophy which, though it purports to describe events and structures in the real world, is more about recognizing its own patterns and is therefore less and less effective at doing so. psychoanalytic insights (esp when applied to politics as zizek does) are pretty weak imo

dZPnJOm8QwUAseApNj
Apr 15, 2002

arf bark woof
mandatory nonsense for intellectuals but still mandatory

lite frisk
Oct 5, 2013

Mein Eyes! posted:

mandatory nonsense for intellectuals but still mandatory

"It used to be a Greek failing to want to know how many oarsmen Ulysses had, whether the Iliad or the Odyssey was written first, and whethere too they were by the same author, and other questions of this kind, which if you keep them to yourself in no way enhance your private knowledge, and if you publish them make you appear more a bore than a scholar."

"... and countless further theories that are either false or a very close to lies? For even if you admit that they say all this in good faith, even if they guarantee the truth of their statements, whose mistakes will thereby be lessened? Whose passions restrained? Who will be made more free, more just, more magnanimous?"

--ya old man Seneca

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Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Moon Atari posted:

We are usually taught it alongside other alternative psychology practices, however having both an ethical and intellectual commitment to the scientific method just about everyone realises it is a primitive and redundant theory that has nothing to offer outside of historical value. There are plenty of very intelligent contemporary philosophers that could offer a useful alternative perspective on psychology, if they were willing to abandon redundant theory kept alive only by their worship of dead intellectuals. It reminds me of how progress in physics was held back for centuries because people couldn't stop sucking Aristotle's cock.

Did you ever read any books by Freud or Lacan in any class towards getting your psych degree?

I certainly didn't

Horniest Manticore
Nov 23, 2013

Hello, you!
Lipstick Apathy

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

I don't think you understand what critical theory is, unless you mean literary criticism?

this is really problematic

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Coolie Ghost
Jan 16, 2013

sensible dissent dispenser
should have only read skinner and his students, then jerked off sunstein and thaler at the same time for a better educamtion

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