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Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
Weed Status: legal but in a kind of disappointing way



Welcome to the Canadian politics megathread!

If you're just joining us, our country is a fairly geographically diverse and regionally segmented population of about 35 million. Approximately 68% of the voting population just elected a Liberal majority government. This returns us to the historical average of about 70% of people who actually give a poo poo to vote every few years.

How Things Stand

On November 4th, new Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will swear in a new cabinet. He has promised to keep the portfolio numbers down, and appoint a record number of women to these positions. He has also promised to move swiftly on areas of concern, which I will outline below. This being a majority government, the Liberals now have a guaranteed four years in power unless they choose to contravene the fixed election law for some bizarre reason. This gives them the kind of mandate that can radically change the country - or, more likely, moderately revamp a few election planks while finding insane new ways to screw up.

The Liberal platform has been interesting, since they seem to have taken stands on several things that seem contradictory- such as unwavering support for Keystone XL's NEB assessment, while also pushing for strengthened assessments and opposing the appropriation of native land for Northern Gateway. The platform is best viewed at Trudeau Metre, which not only lists every plank in the Liberal platform, but the progress made on each.

What we can all agree on is there is a renewed sense of purpose in Canada for having rejected Stephen Harper, even from some of the defeated NDP. The other parties are licking their wounds, and there will be lots of talk about leadership races to replace Harper. Mulcair has not signalled that he would step down, but, with a decimated seat allotment, we're not sure what will happen in a few years.

The Issues

There are so many ways that the Conservatives have been messing with Canada that I'm unsure of where to start. The following list may reflect my bias:
  1. The Federal Relationship with the Provinces: Possibly the biggest flaw in the outgoing government's plans were the provinces hating on their legislation. From Notley's (Alberta's) pipeline intransigence, to Wynne's new Ontario pension plan, nothing seemed to work. The Conservatives barely talked to the premieres. Trudeau plans to be much more genial, and impressed me on Vice when he spoke of the difficulties in forcing top-down solutions on the Confederation. However, planning to be stymied by Quebec's special relationship with the ROC is going to sting.
  2. The Senate: :ughh:
  3. Various Forms of Care: Will pharmacare, day care, health care (mulcair) see any major deviations? We don't know! The Liberals have been remarkably quiet on what they will do in these portfolios, short of a Trudeau one-off that he wouldn't impose anything. Perhaps bunnyofdoom could bring out the party line.
  4. Bill C-51 will be reformed: Trudeau has stated that the information sharing provisions need to be continued, but that he will see to it that a warrant is sought for bulk data collection. He will also have an all-party panel that will review all secret information and report directly to him. Needless to say, this has anti-spying opponents of the legislation complaining it's entirely rubberstamp nonsense, and they're right. SIRC is toothless, and C-51 is basically giving WAY too much leeway to the security establishment. It should be repealed.
  5. Other Conservative Legislative Detritus: The Liberals have promised to repeal anti union bills, Canada Post reforms, et al. It's a list that effectively will reverse the past four years of Conservative legislation, but is notably missing reforms for the Child Pornography Witch Hunt Act (C-13) and the Look Over There Act (Barbaric Cultural Practices), which the Liberals supported. Thankfully, I will no longer be a second class citizen for having a British passport, since the Liberals have also promised to remove that part of Bill C-24. Bill C-50 (Citizen Voting Act) and that firearm transportation one are both going to be axed as well.
  6. ISIS, Syria and Iraq: The one area where I'm afraid no party in Canada has any appreciation for complexity, Trudeau has already moved on taking us out of the fight and into an advisory role. If you support the Kurds in Northern Iraq with training, hell mend ya when those chickens come home to roost.
  7. The Economy is Hamstrung: The Canadian economy is in a peculiar position - we are highly exposed to the volatility of the American market, we have a huge housing bubble, and oil is maintaining the low price. Not to mention other global factors (such as emerging market credit bubbles), we are staring down the barrel of a machine gun right now. Please also see the the Canadian Debt Thread for more woe.
  8. Free Trade: Old election issues are new again. The Trans Pacific Partnership is a bad joke. We have bilaterally negotiated agreements that do not contain the ISDS clauses that have made Canada "The Most Sued Nation in the World", Harper jumped into it at the 13th round, long after everyone else had. I have no reason to believe that if the USA ratifies (it may not) Trudeau wouldn't support this as he has FIPA (with China) and CETA (with Europe).
  9. Democratic Reform: Hopefully, the democratic reform of this government will be in favour of actual, you know, democracy. Trudeau has pledged that in 18 months we will see some form of new voting system. The current thread favourites are Straight Transferable Vote, or Mixed Member Proportional. It will be confusing as gently caress, but let's hope the thread pulls through.
  10. The Veterans: Will probably see a lot of cuts reversed, as detailed in the Liberal platform. :unsmith:
  11. Weed: Says they'll legalize weed. Don't all start lighting up at once. Colorado has already warned that it isn't as easy as it sounds, but decriminalization should be the first step. If it's going to be legal, Trudeau could do this ASAP.
  12. Military Procurement: I can't believe this is still an issue. Planes, jeeps, helicopters, ships, even uniforms. Every single one a loving mess with no end in sight.
  13. The Return of Keynes: Trudeau has abandoned the balanced budget rhetoric, and promised a slight budget deficit in order to increase spending in key needed areas. This spending won't even increase the GDP to debt ratio over that time, but will it actually be enough to get Canada off its heels? Canada needs massive investment in modernization, infrastructure, and has a displeased public service. It may need more than 30 billion over three years to fix.
Like I said, this list could be infinitely long to try and fix what the Conservatives broke, like science, the census, public servants' free speech.. Suffice it to say that I couldn't possibly imagine a better tool to keep abreast of it than a well-worn copy of the platform, this thread, and a good notebook.

Sources for News

I personally rely on a couple of things to get my news. First of all, if you can sign up to the iPolitics Brief (may require a subscription, but mine has expired and I still get it), you are guaranteed at least basic knowledge of what to search on Google News that day. Our major national news sources are, sadly, the National Post, Macleans, Globe and Mail, and the CBC. For partisan news on the left and right, you will want to check out Rabble.ca and Sun News Network, respectively. I also make judicious use of Blogging Tories. Good regionals include the Tyee for BC, Toronto Star, Ottawa Citizen, and I guess Cyberpresse or Le Devoir for Quebec?

Alternative news includes the CANADALAND podcast, the National Observer, and iPolitics.

Opinion editorials to watch include Chris Selley's pundit round up, Aaron Wherry, Paul Wells, Andrew Coyne, Johns Ibbitson and Ivison (I'm not convinced they're different people), Dan Gardner... this list is pretty leftist, but Coyne makes up for all of the others.

The rest of the time I use RSS feeds, Google news search alerts, and Twitter. If you're handy, you can use RSS feeds and your Twitter account in conjunction with something like Flipboard (as I do) to find articles that are making big waves. Watch #cdnpoli for a while to get an idea of the best twitter feeds to watch for serious retweeters, then follow them and watch who they're retweeting. Easy, and your smartphone can keep you up to date at all times.

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Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

quote:

Good Monday morning to you.

As the Conservative Party scrambles to fashion a future without the leader that defined it for nearly a decade, its moderate, Red Tory wing is manoeuvring to reconstitute the party as a centrist, national force that re-brands the Conservative label after years of what they describe as Stephen Harper’s toxic leadership. On Nov. 5, former prime minister Brian Mulroney will deliver a speech at Toronto’s Albany Club in which he is expected to make a case for post-Harper soul searching, which, as the party’s internal factions mobilize for control, translates as enough time to prevent the Reform wing of the party from taking over. Our Lisa Van Dusen has more.

“Whatever else political opponents may say about Justin Trudeau’s approach to reducing carbon emissions, they’re not likely to curse his lack of inclusiveness.” In addition to inviting the premiers to Paris next month for the United Nations summit on climate change, the prime minister designate has also invited Green Party Leader Elizabeth May and intends to invite NDP Leader Tom Mulcair, as well as whoever is leading the Conservatives at that point. As Joan Bryden reports, it’s all in stark contrast to Stephen Harper’s approach, which was more about exclusion.

For her part, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne would like to see Trudeau work towards a major climate change deal with the U.S. and Mexico. “I think the more agreements we can get across jurisdictions, the better off we will be,” she told CTV yesterday. “And so my hope would be that he will be in conversation with those North American leaders. That can only support our position in the global discussion.”

Although Parliament is unlikely to reconvene before Christmas, when it does, there will be clear priorities. Among them? Tax cuts and new benefit cheques, Ralph Goodale tells Global.

As for who might be leading the Conservatives by then, Rob Nicholson has announced he’s throwing his hat into the interim role ring.

The Huffington Post’s Althia Raj has this look at the Liberals’ historic climb to power — and how the long writ did them a favour.

In Edmonton Mill Woods, the election’s still not over. A judge has ordered a recount in Conservative Tim Uppal’s loss to Liberal Amarjeet Sohi. Uppal, the incumbent, lost by 79 votes.

In Montmagny—L’Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, Liberal Marie-Josée Normand is asking for a recount in her loss to Conservative Bernard Généreux. He took the seat by just 265 votes.

On Friday, 43 New Democrats gathered around the phone for a teleconference with Tom Mulcair to talk about how their smaller caucus moves ahead after a thumping on election night. National campaign director Anne McGrath will be putting together a committee to do a post-mortem of the campaign, and defeated MP Paul Dewar has been named a senior transition advisor.

A decision is expected soon as to whether Trudeau and his family will move back into his childhood home at 24 Sussex or stay elsewhere until much-needed renovations are done. Former prime minister Jean Chretien told CTV’s Question Period that it’s about time the prime minister’s official residence got some tender loving care.

Chretien also had advice for Trudeau when it comes to foreign policy: “Talk to everybody and try to offer a solution.” That includes Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Many in the international community certainly seem keen on the fact they’ll be talking to him. As CP’s Mike Blanchfield reports, Werner Wnendt, the German ambassador, says his country welcomes Justin Trudeau’s post-election declaration to the world that Canada is “back.” They’re looking forward to his participation on climate change and diplomacy. Said one unnamed diplomat: The simple fact that he is not Harper “will be terrific.”

In provincial news, Alberta is expected to unveil the largest deficit budget in its history when the legislative session kicks off tomorrow. With slumping oil prices at play, the government was aiming for a $5.5-billion deficit this year and balanced books by 2019-2020. But finance minister Joe Ceci has hinted it will come in just shy of $6.5 billion for 2015-16 and take a little longer to balance the books.

Here and there:
  • Ethan Hawke joins the leadership of the Paq'tnkek First Nation and the Mi'gmawei Mawiomi Assembly for a water ceremony to protest oil and gas development in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
  • Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. releases its fourth quarter housing market outlook report.
  • Statistics Canada releases registered apprenticeship training programs, 2013.
  • The Vancouver Board of Trade will host a keynote address by New Brunswick Premier Brian Gallant.


In an interview with 60 Minutes that aired last night, Joe Biden said he didn’t run for president because he couldn’t win. He also wouldn’t have gotten into the race just to stop Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. "I've said from the beginning, 'Look, I like Hillary. Hillary and I get along together,'" he said. "The only reason to run is because ... I still think I could do a better job than anybody else could do.”

Getting out ahead of the report of an inquiry into the Iraq war, former British prime minister Tony Blair offered a qualified apology yesterday for using misleading intelligence and the failure to prepare for the aftermath of the invasion. But he didn’t apologize for the war itself and that’s spurred fury and claims of a cover-up.

There were elections in six countries yesterday, including Guatemala, where a TV comic was elected president. Here’s a look at what happened where.

In Featured Opinion:

In keeping with the theme of ‘real change,’ here’s something that wouldn’t have come out of the Conservative camp. Justin Trudeau has Facebooked a woman with a public response to a post she penned on election night. Shortly after the Liberals’ win, Casandra Fletcher wrote a letter to Trudeau, and included a top 10 list of things she hopes he can achieve while prime minister. Despite telling him that she "voted against the alternative" rather than for him, Trudeau thanked her for her vote "no matter the reason why you marked your ballot as you did.” Her post has been shared more than 46,000 times and Trudeau said he hopes she stays as engaged in the process as she is now. He added: “Feel free to send me another top 10 some time down the road!"

With that, have yourself a great day.
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Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Can we stop talking about the election soon?

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
stoppin in on the first page of the upcoming 4-year thread to say I don't think things are going to be all that great

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
A refresher on what is going on in British Columbia as we speak:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/email-scandal-1.3284856

quote:

The B.C. government is coming under heavy fire following the release of a report that revealed a culture of deleting emails in order to skirt freedom of information laws.

Speaking on CB.C.'s B.C. Almanac Thursday, NDP leader John Horgan expressed disbelief at the level of suppression of information B.C.'s Privacy Officer, Elizabeth Denham's report uncovered.

"[Cadario has] been cited as having no records," Horgan said. "Working in a location for two years and not one single email? You, the second most powerful person in the premier's office and you don't use email? That's hard to get your head around."

Denham's report, Access Denied, found that Michele Cadario, deputy chief of staff in the premier's office, routinely deleted emails in contravention of laws protecting the public's right to hold politicians accountable for their actions.

Highway of Tears email deletion referred to RCMP by B.C. privacy watchdog
Access Denied: Elizabeth Denham's full report

Denham also found that a staffer in the transportation ministry, George Gretes, could face charges after he lied under oath when he denied that he intentionally deleted emails and records connected to the Highway of Tears.
Delete, delete, delete

"People need to understand that it's not just about politics," Horgan said. "We're supposed to have freedom of information so the public understands why their government was making decisions on their behalf.

"Instead what the B.C. Liberals have done is make a culture of delete, delete, delete. They're scouring their computers at the end of the day so the public doesn't know what they're up to."

Also speaking on B.C. Almanac, freelance investigative journalist and FOI expert, Bob Mackin, said he believed today's revelations would prove to be "just the tip of the iceberg".

He also questioned the appointment of former B.C. Privacy Officer David Loukadelis as an advisor to help the government get back on track.

"He's been brought in at the expense of the taxpayer when they already have Elizabeth Denham who's already made so many recommendations that have fallen on deaf ears," he said.

"Why don't they just adopt everything she's already said?"

This is in light of the fact that the BC Liberals in 2013, went on a tirade about former NDP leader, Adrian Dix and his doctoring of an internal memo when he was working in the previous NDP government. Of course, news articles about the attack exist but campaign videos have been removed.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Good new thread.

Do you have links to articles from security / privacy people who say that the suggested c51 changes don't go far enough?

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

JawKnee posted:

stoppin in on the first page of the upcoming 4-year thread to say I don't think things are going to be all that great

Don't blame me I voted Marxist-Leninist

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

quote:

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-will-defend-move-to-declare-ttc-an-essential-service-in-court-challenge-1.2628181

Ontario will defend move to declare TTC an essential service in court challenge

TORONTO -- Ontario's Liberal government said Monday it would fight a union attempt to strike down a 2011 law that declared the Toronto Transit Commission an essential service and took away its workers' right to strike.

The Amalgamated Transit Union asked the Ontario Court of Appeal to declare the TTC's essential service designation unconstitutional. The measure bans strikes and lockouts at Canada's largest public transit system.

"The right to bargain with your employer about the value of your skills, knowledge and effort is meaningless if you cannot legally withhold your labour as part of the bargaining process," said ATU local 113 president Bob Kinnear.

He accused the government "of using the power of the state to force people to work against their will" and said the union expected the case to eventually end up before the Supreme Court of Canada.

"The Charter of Rights and Freedoms would be hollow if it could be ignored because it may be inconvenient to get around the city when the transit system is down," added Kinnear.
But Labour Minister Kevin Flynn said 1.5 million people rely on Toronto's transit system every day, and in the government's opinion, it remains an essential service.

"Certainly in a cosmopolitan area like this, in this day and age, the transit system of a major city is an essential service," he said. "That view was shared by the Ontario legislature and it continues to be our view."

Flynn said the province enacted the TTC essential service designation four years ago at the request of Toronto city council, and the government "intends to defend itself" in court.
The union said the Supreme Court broke new ground in February with a ruling involving the Saskatchewan government that found the right of public sector workers to strike was an essential part of the collective bargaining process.


"We did pay attention to the ruling and wondered what the future may hold as a result of that," said Flynn. "Whether that prompted this action today, whether there is a direct relation between the two or whether there is a relationship that can be proven in court, we have yet to see."

The New Democrats said they generally oppose essential service legislation because "it's a pretty heavy-handed thing to take away people's bargaining rights," but the Progressive Conservatives support the idea.

PC Leader Patrick Brown said he'd also like to see the government add the essential service declaration to GO Transit, which transports about 250,000 commuters into and out of Toronto every weekday.

The same arguments made to declare the TTC an essential service would apply to people from Barrie, Kitchener-Waterloo, Hamilton and Niagara who use GO trains and buses to get to work or school every day, he added.

"A lot of people rely on the GO to get to work too, so obviously that's a conversation that has to be had," said Brown.

But Flynn said the Liberals have not considered declaring GO Transit an essential service like the TTC.

"I think people have other options to get into the GTA," said Flynn. "It's once they get into the 416 area specifically that the TTC comes into play in such a big way."

More fallout from the SCC decision in February to side against essential services legislation. I've read 4 other terribly brief articles about the same thing, and this was the first to actually point to the SCC decision as being behind the court challenge. Booooooring

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
List all the promises jt will actually keep.

Here's my list:

jet sanchEz
Oct 24, 2001

Lousy Manipulative Dog

jm20 posted:

More fallout from the SCC decision in February to side against essential services legislation. I've read 4 other terribly brief articles about the same thing, and this was the first to actually point to the SCC decision as being behind the court challenge. Booooooring

I find this very interesting, I presume Saskatchewan appealed the ruling? It never made sense to me that transit is an essential service----cops and EMS and doctors, sure, but a bus driver?

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx
draft doug ford

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

jet sanchEz posted:

I find this very interesting, I presume Saskatchewan appealed the ruling? It never made sense to me that transit is an essential service----cops and EMS and doctors, sure, but a bus driver?

For people without cars, it can be a pretty essential service.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Jordan7hm posted:

Good new thread.

Do you have links to articles from security / privacy people who say that the suggested c51 changes don't go far enough?

They are merely adding committees to the bill, it's terrible. Keep in mind the Canadian Bar Association says the bill is hot garbage.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/05/08/Bill-C-51-Oversight/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/parliament-must-reject-the-anti-terror-bill/article22932072/

https://cdnantiterrorismlawaudit.wordpress.com/

http://www.macleans.ca/authors/john-geddes/two-profs-take-on-the-harpers-anti-terrorism-bill/

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.
:woop: :woop:

Let's take this baby to page 420 and then Trudeau will legalise weed.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀

Generation Internet posted:

Don't blame me I voted Marxist-Leninist

Marxist-Leninist and Communist combined still got fewer votes than the Libertaraian party.

If you moved all the Libertarians to any one riding they could get a seat. You'd have to move the Marxist-Leninists to Labrador to get that.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

jet sanchEz posted:

I find this very interesting, I presume Saskatchewan appealed the ruling? It never made sense to me that transit is an essential service----cops and EMS and doctors, sure, but a bus driver?

A lot of people need to take the bus to work. If they can't work, they can't get paid. They can't afford to take a taxi across Toronto in rush hour. If they can't get paid, they can't eat food or heat the house.

Speaking of doctors, Ontario's are launching a charter challenge to get binding arbitration like doctors enjoy in 8 other provinces.

Ontario MDs plan charter challenge against provincial government

quote:

Ontario doctors plan to launch a charter challenge against the provincial government, which has twice this year unilaterally cut their pay.

The province unilaterally cut fees across the board for all doctors by 2.65 per cent in February and 1.3 per cent in October.

The province has rebuffed the doctors’ request for a binding dispute resolution process, most recently on Tuesday when the OMA leadership met with Health Minister Eric Hoskins.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!
Also, mailboxes.

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

Cultural Imperial posted:

List all the promises jt will actually keep.

Here's my list:

cynicism is pretty easy

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
no worries I'm sure weed will be legal any day now

MohawkSatan
Dec 20, 2008

by Cyrano4747
I'm as cynical as anyone else, but I gotta say, I'm vaguely optimistic about most of this. Except guns of course. Reversing the single positive bit of firearms legislation we've seen since the long gun registry go killed kinda sucks, but at least it's back to the status quo rather than getting worse. The 'assault weapons' thing in the Liberal platform is kinda worrying too, but whatever. If we start seeing some proper funding for social services, it might be worth it.

Tan Dumplord
Mar 9, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Maybe we should roll in the inability for management to in any way diminish contract benefits for essential service workers?

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

I just had a terrible thought.

Jason Kenney is widely expected to become the next Conservative leader.

There's a distinct, non-zero probability that we could go from Prime Minister Justin to Prime Minister Jason.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
What are the chances Christine Elliott tries for the federal CPC leadership? She's got the connection to Flaherty who was pretty popular, while being relatively moderate. On the other hand she already lost the Ontario leadership race, might be hard to garner support after that.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

I've only ever had community mailboxes.

Can we get Canada Post to roll out door to door delivery everywhere else? :allears:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
The next 4 years are most likely going to be terribly unremarkable.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

If you don't have door to door mail you need to move in from your bumfuck village or subsidy dependent suburbia you live in and start contributing to society. Door to door delivery is the reward you get for living a slightly less gross existence.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

EvilJoven posted:

The next 4 years are most likely going to be terribly unremarkable.

Trudeau's Canada: It's like Anna Nicole Smith's anus.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I'd rather you moved out of your bum gently caress hamlet into a subsidized suburb. gently caress your rural ~hobby farm

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Is WiFi more dangerous than smoked salmon

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009

Baronjutter posted:

If you don't have door to door mail you need to move in from your bumfuck village or subsidy dependent suburbia you live in and start contributing to society. Door to door delivery is the reward you get for living a slightly less gross existence.

Because only people who live in central parts of cities are real citizens :ironicat:

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Cultural Imperial posted:

Is WiFi more dangerous than smoked salmon

That depends on whether the salmon is gluten-free or not.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Baudin posted:

Because only people who live in central parts of cities are real citizens :ironicat:

Unironically agree w/ this

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

None of these comment on the proposed changes. Like, at all. Because they are from much earlier in the year.

The list of changes that I've seen pretty much is this:

quote:

— Guarantee that all Canadian Security Intelligence Service warrants respect the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This would roll back provisions allowing CSIS to disrupt terror plots through tactics that contravene the charter as long as a judge approves. Critics have called the provisions an extraordinary inversion of the judicial role to uphold — not sanction violations of — the charter;

— Require the Security Intelligence Review Committee, the watchdog over CSIS known as SIRC, to examine all activities the spy agency carries out under its new threat reduction mandate and have the committee provide an annual report to the public safety minister and Parliament on its findings;

— Establish a security-cleared, all-party, national security committee that would have access to any relevant information under the control of federal departments and agencies. This would help broaden review of security activities, given that each watchdog is now largely limited to keeping an eye on a single agency. For instance, SIRC can monitor CSIS activities but it is generally forbidden from peeking over the shoulder of other agencies, even if CSIS has dealings with them;

— Require the government to review all appeals by Canadians on the no-fly list. A person on the list can ask the public safety minister to remove their name, but the minister is not bound to reply. If no ministerial reply is made within 90 days, it is registered as an automatic decision not to remove the person from the list;

— Narrow overly broad definitions, such as "terrorist propaganda." The law gives judges the authority to order seizure of terrorist propaganda as well as its removal from Canadian websites. Such propaganda is defined, in part, as "any writing, sign, visible representation or audio recording that advocates the commission of terrorism offences in general.";

— Require the federal privacy commissioner to submit an annual report to Parliament on information sharing — a check on new provisions that significantly expanded the exchange of material across federal agencies about activity that "undermines the security of Canada.";

— Limit the powers of the Communications Security Establishment, Canada's electronic spy service, by requiring a warrant to engage in the surveillance of Canadians. CSE is already prohibited from targeting Canadians with its vast spying capabilities, but acknowledges it cannot monitor global communications in the modern era without gathering at least some Canadian information. Currently the defence minister can authorize CSE activities that would otherwise risk breaching the Criminal Code provision against intercepting the private communications of Canadians;

— Require a statutory review of the full anti-terrorism law after three years;

— Prioritize community outreach and counter-radicalization efforts by creating the Office of the Community Outreach and Counter-radicalization Co-ordinator;

— Once the Liberal bill is tabled, undertake broad public consultations to seek input from subject-matter experts and Canadians generally.

That seems like more than just adding oversight.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

Baudin posted:

Because only people who live in central parts of cities are real citizens :ironicat:

Idiots who settle down in suburbia and then contribute to congestion by car commuting are subhuman scum of urban centres.

"Why are the roads full of traffic and potholes!" *drives station wagon with no other occupant* :qq:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Baronjutter posted:

If you don't have door to door mail you need to move in from your bumfuck village or subsidy dependent suburbia you live in and start contributing to society. Door to door delivery is the reward you get for living a slightly less gross existence.

Since when do urbanites get door delivery? gently caress knows I never have, not in Calgary or in Montreal.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Dench comes before Mirren in the line of succession.

There's no way they're rolling back the areas they've already switched over to cmbs, but hopefully a few posties will get to keep their jobs under Trudeau the Younger.

Lassitude
Oct 21, 2003

PT6A you must be stoked that your man Nenshi was declared the Best Mayor in the World:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgary-s-naheed-nenshi-named-top-mayor-in-the-world-1.2217700

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
Good chunks of my mom's total suburbia gets door-to-door delivery (she has a community mailbox and has for over 15 years, whereas two streets away they get door-to-door), while I live in a rural village of 10,000 people that doesn't.

It's partly a rural/urban issue, but it's also fairly random.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


My apartment building in the middle of downtown Toronto has door to door delivery.

It weirded me out when I first moved in because I'd literally never seen that before in an apartment. It's always been a mailroom/wall o' mail boxes

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Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

I'm satisfied with most of Trudeau's platform but the picture for the canadian economy is so loving depressing that it's hard to feel hopeful.

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