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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:kids are, er, supposed to be in school, so maybe trying to keep them out is actually bad. just imo. When I got in a fight in middle school I got three days off. A year later or so some dumb poo poo figured it was a good idea to push me in homeroom, lol I didn't even hesitate to punch him, gimme them three days bitch
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I said come in! posted:An officer is required to read you your miranda rights if you are being arrested. only gotta do if if she is going to be interrogated. wikipedia posted:The Miranda rule applies to the use of testimonial evidence in criminal proceedings that is the product of custodial police interrogation. Miranda right to counsel and right to remain silent are derived from the self-incrimination clause of the Fifth Amendment. Therefore, for Miranda to apply, six requirements must be fulfilled:
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Oct 27, 2015 17:19
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:I wasn't aware that was the case in South Carolina. It isn't the case under Federal law, or they would have taught that at FLETC, and it wasn't the case in California, the only American state in which I ever arrested anyone. This must be some peculiarity to SC, although I strongly suspect that it actually isn't true anywhere in the country. How many black people have you murdered?
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Oct 27, 2015 17:20
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Cops really should try to fit a lot more "please," "pretty please," and "aw, c'mon now, why not" into their law enforcement tool bag.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:20
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I said come in! posted:How many black people have you murdered? not enough
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Oct 27, 2015 17:21
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gizmojumpjet posted:Cops really should try to fit a lot more "please," "pretty please," and "aw, c'mon now, why not" into their law enforcement tool bag. sarcasm aside, an easier way for cops to stop loving up so much is if they would leave people the gently caress alone unless there's actual risk of someone being hurt.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:21
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:nor does it look like what he did was particularly likely to result in injury he flipped her chair over with her in it. how is that not "likely to result in injury"?
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Oct 27, 2015 17:22
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ITT we are armchair policemen/lawyers maybe?
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Oct 27, 2015 17:23
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I said come in! posted:sarcasm aside, an easier way for cops to stop loving up so much is if they would leave people the gently caress alone unless there's actual risk of someone being hurt. sarcasm aside I unironically agree with him and whenever the situation allowed I would always lecture people about how hot it was and how I didn't want to have to do stuff please don't make me do stuff
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Oct 27, 2015 17:23
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I said come in! posted:An officer is required to read you your miranda rights if you are being arrested. She was being handcuffed, therefore being arrested. An officer can't just handcuff you for shits and giggles. Moridin920 posted:I'm pretty sure there's nothing a high school student sitting at a desk could do short of pulling out a gun/weapon (which obv didn't happen) that would justify what that cop did. This is also on the tame side of how you will be handled for resisting a police officer, whether you're white or black. Calling the police officer to the classroom in the first place was the mistake if you didn't want force used, and the second mistake was her deciding to not comply with the officer. Champenema posted:Black chick gets a police beatdown for using cellphone in class, recorded on white kid's cellphone. In class. Machai posted:he flipped her chair over with her in it. how is that not "likely to result in injury"? Khorne fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 17:23
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Machai posted:he flipped her chair over with her in it. how is that not "likely to result in injury"? did the chair have spikes in it or something looked to me like he had positive control over her body the whole time so I'm not seeing how the chair falling over is a danger to her
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Oct 27, 2015 17:24
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gizmojumpjet posted:Cops really should try to fit a lot more "please," "pretty please," and "aw, c'mon now, why not" into their law enforcement tool bag. I don't see what harm some common courtesy could do. It's certainly better than the complete adversarial relationship with civilians the police seem to nurture. TacticalUrbanHomo posted:I'm not reading all of that this wasn't a lawful arrest so I think we're mostly on the same page but from a professional point of view while it was more force than I would have used because I'm personally lazy and don't have a huge hardon for yanking people around she apparently wasn't injured nor does it look like what he did was particularly likely to result in injury so idgaf about the use of force in and of itself so much as I do that the use of force was unlawful. It probably looks worse than it was, yeah. I'm just saying 'more force than necessary' seems to be a common theme lately. Maybe it's just news media bringing it up more or something but idk. I saw a video of some police in my hometown hitting a (white!) woman in the head repeatedly that they already had pinned on the ground (she wasn't wearing her seatbelt apparently, and also I'm assuming got mouthy about it) and it was extremely unprofessional looking. All it did was make me draw comparisons between the police and a gang, and it made me mistrust them even more. There's obviously a problem in this country and handwaving away each individual situation is kind of a weak rear end band-aid solution.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:24
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Khorne posted:Have you two ever dealt with a police officer in real life? I'm a white middle class male.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:25
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gizmojumpjet posted:Cops really should try to fit a lot more "please," "pretty please," and "aw, c'mon now, why not" into their law enforcement tool bag. I hear you, man. Whenever I see an 80 pound teen girl sitting in her desk objecting to having her phone confiscated I know the only weapon in my tool belt is a savage beating. I asked my daughter to do the dishes and she said "in a minute" so I had no choice but to piledrive that little poo poo through the Spanish announcer's table.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:25
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:I hear you, man. Whenever I see an 80 pound teen girl sitting in her desk objecting to having her phone confiscated I know the only weapon in my tool belt is a savage beating. This is 100% socially acceptable if you're wearing a uniform. haha.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:27
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:did the chair have spikes in it or something there is a floor under it that she could have very easily hit her head on she could have gotten tangled up in the chair-desk and twisted/broken a limb
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Oct 27, 2015 17:27
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:I hear you, man. Whenever I see an 80 pound teen girl sitting in her desk objecting to having her phone confiscated I know the only weapon in my tool belt is a savage beating. If you were a better parent, you'd have a better daughter. At some point in the past you incentivized that sass mouth and now you're reaping the whirlwind.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:27
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They arrested the kid who recorded it too, finally some justice
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Oct 27, 2015 17:28
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Khorne posted:Have you two ever dealt with a police officer in real life? Lmao. They won't read you your rights most of the time if they aren't looking to use what you say against you, and even if they don't they will say they did. In this kind of scenario if they read her rights it will be later while she is being escorted somewhere. But she isn't being arrested, just removed from the classroom and probably sent home or put in detention. I have? Like I said I've been arrested before and I also said they don't have to read you your rights at that time so idk what you're quoting me for  Khorne posted:This is also on the tame side of how you will be handled for resisting a police officer, whether you're white or black. 11 year old me had his head repeatedly slammed with brake checks when he got picked up one night. 12 or 13 year old me also had a concussion from being tackled and a bit more damage from being grinded into a brick wall post-tackle. Don't gently caress with the police is a lesson you'll learn quick in life if you decide to gently caress with the police. "I had my head slammed repeatedly and concussed by the police so therefore this was fine." Some weirdo rear end logic there buddy.
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If only kids had more respect and colored folks knew their place like the old days.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:28
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:did the chair have spikes in it or something Sir, you've obviously never had a school desk fall on you. That poo poo is not just a chair lol. (WWI trench warfare re-enactments with the desks were fun but goddamn the injuries.)
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Oct 27, 2015 17:29
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I said come in! posted:I'm a white middle class male. Moridin920 posted:"I had my head slammed repeatedly and concussed by the police so therefore this was fine." Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 17:29
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quote:Calling the police officer to the classroom in the first place was the mistake if you didn't want force used, See, this is the problem. This shouldn't be the paradigm for how police will handle a situation. The very fact that we all know cops will get violent immediately so don't call them unless some poo poo is really going down is hosed up.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:31
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:did the chair have spikes in it or something I've fallen in one of those desks before and if my arm was under the right bar between the desk and the chair I would have likely seriously hurt myself.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:31
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:did the chair have spikes in it or something Also: Khorne posted:Calling the police officer to the classroom in the first place was the mistake if you didn't want force used, and the second mistake was her deciding to not comply with the officer.
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Excuse me, little girl. I'm a grownup authority figure who should be able to control his emotions in nonthreatening scenarios, seeing as how I was given a badge and a gun. Can you please hand me your phone? "No. I have done nothing wrong." *roundhouse kicks that piece of poo poo through a storefront window and down an escalator in order to keep the streets clean and the good citizens of this fair town safe*
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Khorne posted:Calling the police officer to the classroom in the first place was the mistake if you didn't want force used, and the second mistake was her deciding to not comply with the officer. well er I guess that's true but from a law enforcement perspective the biggest mistake was initiating force against a citizen who was not committing any crime
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Oct 27, 2015 17:32
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Its true. Don't call the police if you don't want to see someone get hurt.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Excuse me, little girl. I'm a grownup authority figure who should be able to control his emotions in nonthreatening scenarios, seeing as how I was given a badge and a gun. Can you please hand me your phone? Didn't you know? Don't call the police unless you are prepared for violence. TacticalUrbanHomo posted:well er I guess that's true but from a law enforcement perspective the biggest mistake was initiating force against a citizen who was not committing any crime tbh it seems like most police officers are on board with this. It's the fact that the bad ones routinely get protected that pisses most people off.
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phasmid posted:I doubt he intended to flip her desk over or lose his grip. He did not have control, that's a big part of why this is unsettling. that's interesting. how did you make that assessment?
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Oct 27, 2015 17:33
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I'm the kid with his phone out filming the girl getting body slammed for having her phone out.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:that's interesting. how did you make that assessment? e. quote
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Moridin920 posted:tbh it seems like most police officers are on board with this. It's the fact that the bad ones routinely get protected that pisses most people off. that's because america has this bottom-up view on law enforcement that is pants-on-head retarded. coincidentally, this is also why america doesn't have a functional education system. maybe in a hundred years or so americans will learn. here in australia there's no such thing as county or municipal law enforcement. the only thing sheriffs here can do is issue summons and other menial poo poo. phasmid posted:By watching him pick her up and throw her away bodily. so you just made it up, gotcha.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:35
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Moridin920 posted:Didn't you know? Don't call the police unless you are prepared for violence. I wonder how long until someone tries this as a legal defense. Reasonable expectation of bodily danger from the police and responding with deadly force. Hell, at this point someone probably already has and I'm just not aware of it.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:36
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I've been told repeatedly that the best way to redirect a misbehaving student is to ask them to assist you in presenting the lesson or give them another job to do in the classroom so they feel important and get the positive adult attention that they crave so much. Why didn't the teacher try that? He's the real villain here.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:38
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Moridin920 posted:It probably looks worse than it was, yeah. I'm just saying 'more force than necessary' seems to be a common theme lately. probably because people are more likely to film things that look dramatic than things that do not, though american local police generally do have substandard training and zero accountability and should probably have their unnecessary redundant existence abolished.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:39
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Skeleton Ape posted:It's weird that cops in schools are just a normal thing now. there was a cop at my high school but i only saw him use spinning piledriver on students a few times
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Oct 27, 2015 17:40
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lol TUH you have bad opinions about guns AND about the police? How low can you go?
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I haven't gotten a chance to see the video or whatever happened before it but it wouldn't surprise me even a little bit if she was shooting off at the mouth and snapping her fingers and being a real big pain in the rear end.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:so you just made it up, gotcha. a bay posted:I haven't gotten a chance to see the video or whatever happened before it but it wouldn't surprise me even a little bit if she was shooting off at the mouth and snapping her fingers and being a real big pain in the rear end.
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