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shyduck
Oct 3, 2003


Jordan7hm posted:

Uhhhh Jake has 44 shots. His problem is not that he's not shooting.

He's like 7th in the league in shots.
I actually didn't realize this. He's still forcing poo poo though.

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Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

Aphrodite posted:

Maybe Crosby's actually not very good and has just been overperforming for 10 years.

well Crosby was the next Great One but now that Connor McDavid is here and HE'S the next one and it lowers Crosby's hockey power levels

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Guys go through wonky stretches once in a while. Jamie Benn is probably not going to score on nearly 30% of his shots all season, Voracek is probably not going to score on 0% of his. Voracek is a volume guy, at some point stuff will start going in for him.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Jamwad Hilder posted:

well Crosby was the next Great One but now that Connor McDavid is here and HE'S the next one and it lowers Crosby's hockey power levels

plus you gotta factor in jack eichel hitting the league at the same time, there's only so much hockey talent to go around and young guys get priority

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Greatness is a finite resource.

It's formed by putting Truculence under high pressure over several decades. If not for Michel Therrien and Whatever Ottawa's Coach's Name is, we could see Greatness fully depleted in our lifetimes.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
basically the nhl is thunderdome, or the hunger game, or some other young adult murder dystopia, and we only have room for one Really Good Canadian Boy at a time

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Jordan7hm posted:

Guys go through wonky stretches once in a while. Jamie Benn is probably not going to score on nearly 30% of his shots all season, Voracek is probably not going to score on 0% of his. Voracek is a volume guy, at some point stuff will start going in for him.

Look all I'm saying is you can't prove Jamie Benn isn't a diminutive alien invader who stole Jakub Voracek and Sidney Crosby's hockey powers through the use of a magic puck.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

Koopa Kid posted:

Similarly Crosby's averaging half a shot less per game than his career average, which at 11 games is essentially a rounding error. He's not shooting any more or less than he ever has.

His stats are a little inflated by a 9 shot game he had where he decided to say gently caress it and shoot with abandon. But yeah he's actually not shooting all that much less than he ever has. It's just that his stupid passes have a magnifying glass on them now with the lack of production he's experiencing.

I don't know what his PDO is but it seems like he's had some terrible luck too. Absolute robbery by goalies, sticks exploding when he's in good shooting position, etc.

I'm sure he'll come around when the powerplay does, though.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Koopa Kid posted:

Similarly Crosby's averaging half a shot less per game than his career average, which at 11 games is essentially a rounding error. He's not shooting any more or less than he ever has.

Well he had zero or one shots for a few games to start off the season, then went nuts and put up a bunch in one game after that. Averages aren't the best thing to use at this point.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

Faksa up on the 2nd line with Spezza and Hemsky which I don't really understand as that line wasn't having many defensive issues and that's where Faksa shines but maybe the Eternal Patience of Mattias Janmark and a couple shifts with the Klingberg/Goligoski pairing can break Nichushkin out of this.

And also Cody Eakin is there. But I think that has more to do with giving him less 2nd line minutes and more PK minutes.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Ginette Reno posted:

His stats are a little inflated by a 9 shot game he had where he decided to say gently caress it and shoot with abandon. But yeah he's actually not shooting all that much less than he ever has. It's just that his stupid passes have a magnifying glass on them now with the lack of production he's experiencing.

It's not so much that he's shooting less, it's that there have been several glaring incidents already of Crosby having a good look and passing it up to force a pass to someone.

It might be something about Johnston's retarded system but I haven't seen Malkin doing it nearly as much.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Aphrodite posted:

Look all I'm saying is you can't prove Jamie Benn isn't a diminutive alien invader who stole Jakub Voracek and Sidney Crosby's hockey powers through the use of a magic puck.

I'd watch the poo poo out of a hockey analogue to Space Jam, yes indeed.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

Colorado game aside, Benn has the Shane Doan-like ability of being more focused when pissed off, not less. But if the game calls for shinny scoring, Tyler Seguin is your linemate. It's a nice little system they've got going there.

Edit: Made more prescient by the fact that Seguin is actually backchecking when he realizes he's not gonna get shots through and between him and Klingberg, forwards are getting set up very very well.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Eric the Mauve posted:

It's not so much that he's shooting less, it's that there have been several glaring incidents already of Crosby having a good look and passing it up to force a pass to someone.

It might be something about Johnston's retarded system but I haven't seen Malkin doing it nearly as much.

That sounds like pretty standard Crosby, actually.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

cenotaph posted:

That sounds like pretty standard Crosby, actually.

So is it defenses looking for and cutting off the backhand pass quicker, the backhand pass coming out slower because his linemates aren't where he wants them, or both?

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -

yellowcar posted:

Michel "Baby mouth" Therrien

Funny, that's what I always call our mayor here in the fine fine lovely of sheaaattle


Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004

DOOMocrat posted:

So is it defenses looking for and cutting off the backhand pass quicker, the backhand pass coming out slower because his linemates aren't where he wants them, or both?

I think part of it is that Kunitz has declined hard, so he's not an effective "trigger man" (if that's what you'd call him) anymore. Hornqvist seems to be better at getting to rebounds or deflections than being on the receiving end of a tight pass. This is just observation so maybe it's all confirmation bias, but it also seems like the Pens D are less engaged offensively and on the cycle than in years past, which makes it easier to keep the Pens forwards to the outside where the chances are just going to be worse. It also seems like Crosby doesn't look quite as explosive as before, but again it's hard to tell if that's real or not.

I actually agree with one of the Toronto announcer's comments, that it would be nice to see Crosby and Malkin out on a line together again, in certain situations (e.g., after a PK, o-zone faceoff). Other than MAF I think Malkin has had the best start to the season, and maybe he could help 'jump start' Crosby if they played together in the right situation.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



cenotaph posted:

Well he had zero or one shots for a few games to start off the season, then went nuts and put up a bunch in one game after that. Averages aren't the best thing to use at this point.

I think averages are exactly the thing to use actually, since uneven distribution is typical of this stuff and the sample size is tiny even without delving into "well in that ONE game" anecdotal evidence that more or less proves the rule that fans are overreacting to random events. Like, that's what I'm getting at.

TrixR4kids
Jul 29, 2006

LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE? YOU AIN'T GET THAT FROM ME!

Pornographic Memory posted:

Crosby's third on the team in shots, which is pretty good when you consider that the two guys ahead of him are Kessel and Letang, one of whom was brought in explicitly because he's a great and prolific shooter, and Letang is a great offensive defenseman who is currently playing an absolutely bonkers number of minutes per game. The real issue is that something is making Crosby and Letang have about the same shooting percentage. I read this article breaking down where some of Crosby's potential problems might lie, like his linemates - it said basically that Crosby is the only guy on his lines that can carry the puck into the zone without dumping it in. Dupuis, Kunitz, and Hornqvist all dump the puck in the majority of the time they try to make a zone entry (something like 60% of the time, loving 70% for Kunitz) which suuuucks.

Yeah this is one definite issue I have with their play recently and I feel like it's something that can be pinned on Johnston. That and basically everything else related to the neutral zone.

LumpyGumby
Feb 22, 2012

"Here's the world famous hockey player sitting in the penalty box for slashing..."
-Snoopy Brown
42g - 65a - 107pts
106gp - 317PIMS
People who ordered from aliexpress, what was the turnaround on the shipping? I ordered one of the new Avs jerseys and just was curious about how long the wait might be.

Also of note, the NWHL has been having trouble filling their jersey orders. I still don't have an ETA for my Whale order yet. I want to support your league!!

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Blackhawks roster full of no-names manages to break the Kings streak, way to go whoever you kids are.

Though it is odd to watch Svedberg slowly become not bad. I was ready to write him off after game 1. He still isn't "good" but he's getting a lot of ice.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

LumpyGumby posted:

People who ordered from aliexpress, what was the turnaround on the shipping? I ordered one of the new Avs jerseys and just was curious about how long the wait might be.

Also of note, the NWHL has been having trouble filling their jersey orders. I still don't have an ETA for my Whale order yet. I want to support your league!!

My brothers came in at around 2 weeks.

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...
Brad Boyes returned from two games as a healthy scratch to play under ten minutes of ice time and notch a goal and an assist. This was unpredictable, after he had points in his two games before being scratched for Rich Clune.

I think Babcock's in on the tank job.

darkwolf220
May 14, 2009

SOON :stare:

The last Coyotes game was Saturday. The next one is not until Thursday. What the hell schedule makers?

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012

darkwolf220 posted:

The last Coyotes game was Saturday. The next one is not until Thursday. What the hell schedule makers?
The Senators once had an 8 day layoff in the middle of the season because of some quirk of the schedule.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

xzzy posted:

Blackhawks roster full of no-names manages to break the Kings streak, way to go whoever you kids are.

Though it is odd to watch Svedberg slowly become not bad. I was ready to write him off after game 1. He still isn't "good" but he's getting a lot of ice.

Yeah those kids Toews and Kane were really somethin tonight

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...
I think they try to leave a bit of a gap in the schedule when the World Series is going to happen. Rangers schedule was Sat-Sun-Fri-Tues-Sat-Sun. The slight layoff also coincides with the start of the NBA season. I know they adjusted the time slots/days of games a little to fit more in the TV slots that did well, and I think teams may try to get the schedule to work around other events.

shyduck
Oct 3, 2003


The Flyers might be playing like the worst team in the league right now

toe knee hand
Jun 20, 2012

HANSEN ON A BREAKAWAY

HONEY BADGER DON'T SCORE

shyduck posted:

The Flyers might be playing like the worst team in the league right now

Guess we'll find out next week when they play the Avs.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



Koopa Kid posted:

I think averages are exactly the thing to use actually, since uneven distribution is typical of this stuff and the sample size is tiny even without delving into "well in that ONE game" anecdotal evidence that more or less proves the rule that fans are overreacting to random events. Like, that's what I'm getting at.

I just think the sample size, like you say, is too small to draw any meaningful conclusions from. Not that the eye test is what you want to draw conclusions from, I just don't think there are any to be drawn at this point.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


darkwolf220 posted:

The last Coyotes game was Saturday. The next one is not until Thursday. What the hell schedule makers?

Kings had three three-day breaks in October.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Coots could be back tonight, just in time for the Flyers to lose to the Oilers

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black
N: McDavid has more assists than any Flyer has points (save for Streit, they are equal)

V: Flyers bad.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

For all the crap I was giving Virtanen yesterday, credit where credit is due: he was excellent last night. Driving the net hard, had a couple nice passes and with a bit of luck could've walked away with a 3 or 4 point night. His first career goal was a really nice one too. That's the player we need him to be, hopefully it's a sign of things to come.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

LumpyGumby posted:

People who ordered from aliexpress, what was the turnaround on the shipping? I ordered one of the new Avs jerseys and just was curious about how long the wait might be.

I think mine took like, 2-3 weeks

Infidel Castro
Jun 8, 2010

Again and again
Your face reminds me of a bleak future
Despite the absence of hope
I give you this sacrifice




shyduck posted:

The Flyers might be playing like the worst team in the league right now

The lovely thing is the Flyers legit outplayed Vancouver for the first two periods last night. 3rd period though? :barf:

Vicas
Dec 9, 2009

Sweet tricks, mom.
Please save us, Obi-wan Couturier, you're our only hope

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Obi-Sean is already there!

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Coots gonna lead us to a strong 3-4 goal performance tonight.


...during which we'll get shithoused by giving up 7.

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SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I never in my life thought I'd dread an Oilers game, but here we are.

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