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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

Ciprian Maricon posted:

Bellerin is injured? Jesus. Maybe that's why he looked a big poo poo this weekend.

Just let the doctors shoot those dudes full of steroids Wenger you stubborn old oval office.

Which match were you watching? Montero gave him trouble once or twice but otherwise he was running around like normal. Wenger said it was a slight groin problem so I suspect he is resting Bellerin for the derby on Sunday.

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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

Ciprian Maricon posted:

They always look worse when there is a bit of defending to do. Bellerin's heroic run back to take the ball from Gomis aside they always have groan inducing moment or two when there is a lot of defending to do.

I'm not sure its a fair criticism of the players, its certainly fair to say both players are instructed to go up a lot more and contribute to the attack and both Bellerin and Monreal really look great when they are making wonderful runs, playing 1-2, crossing etc. I think it would be asking an awful lot for a player to do able to do both tasks really well.

Still that leaves whole matches or patches of time where they look lacking in defensive nous. Bellerin certainly got caught out a lot by Montero at Swansea and last night against Bayern Monreal looked like he belonged in MLS.

That seems the role of a modern fullback though so I guess maybe I need to recalibrate what I consider good defensive work from that position. But when I see Bellerin or Monreal struggle like the later did at Bayern I wish the club had the option of a more old school fullback to really contribute to a solid defense.

The way Bellerin and, to a lesser extent, Monreal play is just the way of modern fullbacks, especially so in Arsenal's case. It's a tradeoff of less security on counter-attacks for more attacking threat. They provide the width that allows players like Sanchez and Ramsey to tuck inside where they prefer to play. The days of defense-first fullbacks is over.

I think your criticism of Monreal is a bit harsh as he's been the model of stability for the past couple of seasons. He started out poorly after his transfer but I can't recall, last night aside, any matches when he's been entirely outclassed. He doesn't attack as much as Bellerin or even Gibbs and plays more defensively as a result.

Last night Arsenal probably would have benefited from a Pulis setup of 4 CBs, but it's not in Arsenal's nature to park the bus like that. They'll always try to go toe-to-toe with their opponents and even matches where they've ceded possession, like against Bayern or either Manchester club, they still attack as often as they can. They're defensive organization has definitely improved, but they'll never revert to a fully defensive setup, despite the occasional hidings like last night.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

The Big Taff Man posted:

Yeah I think we had a similar discussion about Shaw at the start of the season

*up pops a smiling sassasin blaming shaw for both goals against swansea*

Hell, I blamed Shaw for those goals, too, but that's the inherent risk in using your fullbacks to attack. It's a risk that is generally offset by maintaining possession further up the pitch where the odds of scoring are high. That risk is usually mitigated by the nearest centerback going out wide to deal with the ball while your defensive mid covers.

Speaking of Swansea, if not for the awful offside trap Mertesacker was trying to play, you'd blame Bellerin for being out of position had Gomis also not been a wasteman.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit
As long as the defense doesn't play a suicidal offside trap and Debuchy doesn't get sent off then Arsenal will be fine. There's more than enough attacking threat to rip Spurs to pieces. The question is whether we'll see another Danny Rose special or not.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit
Probably Man City-Liverpool on Saturday. Tottenham-West Ham might have been worth watching on Sunday if McCarthy hadn't maimed Payet.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

TwoDogs1Cup posted:

Vardy is cool and good imo

Hope he breaks the record next week

Anyone who doesn't want to see that happen hates football.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

Broletariat posted:

Looks like ^^^^ is actually happening.

Gonna be an entertaining 3 months.

Depends on when Ramsey is fit again. Fortunately for Arsenal, their next three matches are against Norwich, Sunderland, and Villa, so Coquelin's absence won't be felt as harshly yet.

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

quiet enjoyment posted:

Oh Jesus Christ no. God we need to buy badly.

Panic buying won't help anyone. We should only buy if there's value in the market and the right player is available!!

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Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit
Also, those teams aren't pushed as hard and as often as PL teams. When you're up 3-0 at halftime you know you can just kick it about a bit in the second half and the other team isn't likely to make a comeback.

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