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Ross Angeles posted:Declan can you break down Malik Pope from SDSU for me because he owns He's really bad at actually playing basketball and chad ford needs to chill
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Ross Angeles posted:He hasn't looked good at all so far and it's really weird He was bad last year too.
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Nov 19, 2015 15:56
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He averaged like 5 and 2 last year on pretty crappy percentages for a 6'10" dude and struggled to get minutes.
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Nov 19, 2015 17:45
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I'm pretty sure Chad Ford is the biggest reason anyone thinks of Pope as a big prospect right now and he has a tendency pump up toolsy guys when it's early in the draft cycle, even if they haven't done much on the court to back it up. See also: Chris Walker.
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Nov 19, 2015 19:24
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That is the reason he is bad but it doesn't make his current badness less true.
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Nov 19, 2015 20:59
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The passing is as advertised, and the rest of his skill set seems lot farther along than it was supposed to be. He's a lot more smooth with the ball in his hands than I thought he'd be based on the little bit I'd seen before, which is a nice surprise. If he tightens up his jumper he can probably play on the wing, which is good because he can't really play in the post right now for the most part and is really skinny. His defense kinda sucks aside from being able to block some shots, but that's always slow. Same with the not being able to play off the ball thing. He hasn't really had to very much.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:52
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C. Everett Koop posted:In terms of young guys, I saw LeBron in his senior year of high school and it was obvious that he was a man among boys (literally) then, and he didn't give two shits about defense, so giving demerits to Simmons on that account is kinda whatevs. Other than Davis due to his shot-blocking, who was the last big-time guy to hit the draft and be known for their D anyway? It happens a lot with big guys. The most notable example post-LeBron would be Oden in terms of draft hype, but it was also true of Karl Anthony Towns way back uhhhh...last year. And for wings Wiggins was probably farther along defensively in college than he was offensively, although it's been the opposite so far in the pros.
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Nov 24, 2015 20:16
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euphronius posted:Huge gamble for #1 that he learns to shoot. I think less so given that there isn't really anything approaching a sure thing behind him (with the caveat that I know literally nothing about Dragan Bender beyond that he has a really dope name)
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Nov 25, 2015 01:26
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Rick posted:So he doesn't have a funny name but Kris Dunn looks really darn good. He's really good. I thought he hosed up not leaving last year since he'd have probably been a late lottery pick, but he can do even better than that this year if he keeps it up
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Nov 28, 2015 17:23
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Declan MacManus posted:If you have a superlative prospect, they are often able to shore up their shooting or if they can't then they can compensate in other areas. He hit like 35% of his threes last year, although not on a ton of attempts
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Nov 28, 2015 19:58
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Redgrendel2001 posted:43 points All right at the rim against a pretty crappy team, but still pretty great.
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Dec 3, 2015 05:01
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I only watched Henry Ellenson once and he got thoroughly owned by Jarrod Uthoff and Adam Woodbury so psh.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:09
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I love Sabonis The Younger. He isn't super polished but he's big and plays so loving hard. He rebounds like a motherfucker.
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Dec 10, 2015 19:37
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NickRoweFillea posted:So Buddy Hield Is a like 6'2" shooting guard who is pretty old for a draft pick.
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Jan 5, 2016 06:16
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Those guys are mostly point guards and Valentine is probably like a mid first rounder too
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Jan 5, 2016 06:37
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Dejan Bimble posted:I thought Ben Simmons was just supposed to be a future all star with questions about his shooting and engagement, he looks a little bit better than that He still can't really shoot but he's better at everything else than expected
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Jan 10, 2016 08:02
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I've been hating on this draft, and I still think it's really shallow, but Simmons and Brandon Ingram is really really good top 2
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Jan 19, 2016 02:10
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It's almost like there is a reason people are skeptical of prospects who make a big leap as a senior
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Jan 21, 2016 06:53
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Probably Magic posted:I mean, it's not like Buddy was bad last year. He wasn't but he's taken a huge jump in efficiency this year and that becomes less meaningful when trying to project someone's NBA future the older the player is and the longer he's been in school because there are a lot of inherent advantages to being older and more experienced than a large portion of the guys you're competing against. I don't think he's going to be a terrible NBA player or something, I just think he's more like a mid first round type guy who will probably top out as a good off the bench gunner. There are legitimate explanations for his stock being lower than you'd expect it to be for a guy who is as productive as he's been this season. MourningView fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Jan 21, 2016 19:13
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He is extremely fun to watch and I will be happy if he's good.
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Jan 22, 2016 22:12
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ButtWolf posted:Has anyone watched Gary Payton II play? Stat-wise, he looks similar to his father. Just wondering if the eye test shows the same. That would be cool to literally have a Glove clone. Defensively he looks a lot like his dad. He's really long and athletic and gets a ton of steals. He's also a great shot blocker and rebounder for his size. He's not even close to his dad offensively though. He can't shoot at all, and doesn't always look like the most natural point guard, although he's gotten a little better in that regard (his shot selection used to be absolutely horrible but it seems to have improved a lot this year). He's still pretty raw for a 23 year old, but he's interesting from a tools perspective. He'll get drafted. Could be late first but probably more like early second.
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Jan 26, 2016 18:33
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I really like LaVert aside from the injury thing
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Jan 31, 2016 18:12
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Hand Row posted:What are your guys thoughts on Ellenson? I think I would be pretty happy to get him at 7 or later. I need to watch him again because the only time I've seen him play this year was against Iowa and he was awful.
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Feb 6, 2016 21:18
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Declan MacManus posted:Not a fan of Ellenson higher than 10 or so. Garbage defender and his jump shooting is overrated at this stage. Yeah people talk about him like he's going to be this elite stretch 4 but he's not even cracking 30% from three this year. It seems to be the typical deal where people just assume any white dude who isn't a center can shoot.
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Feb 14, 2016 09:12
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Henchman of Santa posted:So I'm watching Bryn Forbes hit 11 threes in a game and I've gotten to wondering if he can make the league in a JJ Redick lite role. Am I just being a homer? He's gotta at least get a look in Summer League, right? No, yes, and probably, respectively
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PotatoJudge posted:Questions about Big 10 prospects: Diamond Stone is a way better offensive player than Hammons, especially when you consider that he's a lot younger and presumably has more room to grow and develop. I don't get the comparison between those two at all aside from both being tall guys from the Big Ten. Hammons has improved a lot offensively but Stone might be the best player in the conference on a per minute basis and he's only a true freshman. And I dunno about less range. He doesn't take a ton of jumpers but he's a really good free throw shooter which tends to be a good sign when it comes to projecting range at the next level. It's not like Hammons is drilling a ton of threes. He has a good percentage this year but he's shot 10 of them all season.
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Mar 4, 2016 00:10
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I like Jamaal Murray and would take him top 5*. He's not a point guard in the slightest but dude can score and shoot and 6'5" is fine for a shooting guard. Skal is still super raw but he looks a lot better lately and it seems like Cal is letting him show more flashes of the perimeter game he's supposed to have. He looked lost early on but lately you can at least kinda see what people saw in him. I think anywhere from 10 down he's worth a shot. *1. Simmons 2. Ingram 3. Poeltl 4. Murray 5. Bender (I know almost literally nothing about Dragan Bender)
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Hand Row posted:Billups is who I have heard the most. Nah, he's not as good at running a team as Billups was. Maybe like Eric Gordon pre-injury problems?
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straight up brolic posted:lol at comparing a dude with a 40 inch vertical to Jeff Hornacek. From what I've seen there's not a very good comparison for Murray, maybe a better shooting OJ Mayo??. 6'4 guys who are both athletic and can shoot are fairly rare.f If he has a 40 inch vert he doesn't play like it. Lack of explosiveness is probably his biggest weakness (that's not just me either, it's in literally every scouting report of him that's d I've seen), the Hornacek comparison actually isn't that bad. He doesnt get to the rim a ton (when he does drive he tends to settle for a little floater, which he's actually pretty good at) and his free throw rate is just so so. You very rarely see him get all the way to the hoop and finish over or through people. He and Kentucky exploded after Cal started playing him almost entirely off the ball, running him around a ton of screens, and letting him light it up from outside MourningView fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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Mar 15, 2016 15:02
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"Everyone" in this case being "DraftExpress", who doesn't even really do a mock in the traditional sense this early in the process, they just have Ingram as their top ranked player right now. Simmons is not the absolute lock he was two months ago and there's a lot of grumbling about his effort, but most people still have him projected to go first, I think. Ingram has been closing the gap for most of the season and could pass him with a really good tournament (although I think Duke could get bounced fairly early) but Simmons is still probably the favorite to go first right now.
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Mar 15, 2016 16:53
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Rick posted:I watched most of Simmons games the last 1/4 of the season and I honestly don't think his effort was that bad. He was at times openly frustrated with his teammates, but, deservedly so I'd argue. One of the national commentators put it very nicely, when he said he didn't think that Simmons teammates embraced the opportunity to play with someone like Simmons this season. Of course, the Sixers and Lakers might worry about this since they're gonna be a frustrating situation next year . . . He is really lazy defensively. But offensively I'm mostly inclined to agree. A lot of the "lack of aggression" he got hammered for (and remember Wiggins got poo poo on for the same thing) was bad coaching and playing with crappy guards who chucked up a ton of bad shots (though Simmons does legitimately seem kinda terrified to take a jump shot which is a genuine worry). And he may have checked out a bit and started looking ahead to the NBA at the end of the year when it became clear they weren't going anywhere but I have a hard time blaming him too much. He shouldn't have had to play college basketball in the first place
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Mar 15, 2016 19:44
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A skinnier, taller, and less crazy Royce White sounds exactly like the sort of dude who should be a number 1 pick. The issue with him was never skill. He and Draymond were basically the exact same player in college.
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Mar 16, 2016 01:50
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He can score though. He averaged almost 20 a game on a team that pretty much everyone agrees didn't do enough to get him the ball (along with 11 rebounds and 5 assists as a power forward) He just can't shoot well yet. And if you're eliminating someone from number one pick contention solely because they don't have a great jumper yet, congrats on passing on LeBron James.
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Mar 16, 2016 14:40
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The blind man was cheating to sign him to a way below market deal. gently caress him and good on Carlos for getting paid
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Mar 20, 2016 20:06
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Kyrie played like 10 games for Duke he doesn't count
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Mar 20, 2016 21:34
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No the hipster dude on Stephen F Austin is not going to be a first round pick
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Mar 20, 2016 21:39
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ButtWolf posted:Wasnt Jalen Brunson really highly touted? Havent heard m7ch about him this year. He's fine for a freshman. He was a big recruit but not like top 10 or something. I don't think he was expected to be one and done
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Mar 20, 2016 23:10
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ButtWolf posted:I had seen a lot of mixtape stuff last year so i presumed top 10. He looks pretty good. Like literally every prospect who is even moderately notable gets a bunch of mixtapes and they all look good in them because that's the whole point of a mixtape. He's a 6 foot dude who averaged 9 points and 2.5 assists a game on meh percentages; he's not really an NBA prospect right now. MourningView fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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Mar 21, 2016 05:37
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The random free throw in the Vesley mixtape is still funny even after watching that tape like 500 times
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I like him but he's probably like a back half of the first round guy at best because of the things you mentioned. He's below average athletically by NBA standards, has short arms relative to his size, and doesn't do much offensively outside of the post. I think he can find a place in the league though. He plays his rear end off and rebounds like a motherfucker.
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