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CharlesM posted:Umm. Hyundai Motor Company was founded in 1967 and first came to the U.S. in 1986 with the Hyundai Excel. I am humbled, and you are exactly right. I'd forgotten about the glorious Excel! Love, Vitalis
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So, are there any cars that do not have a glaring defect that may or may not kill you or cripple you with a huge repair bill?
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Nov 11, 2015 18:24
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Maybe a schwinn traveler?
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Nov 11, 2015 18:39
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Never mind you guys, I bought a 2013 Hyundai Sonata for $12000 and by "bought" I mean financed through the bank. It had 60k. Did I make a bad decision and should I feel bad?
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Nov 11, 2015 21:08
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Yes.
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Nov 11, 2015 21:26
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Nov 11, 2015 21:40
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Nov 11, 2015 21:45
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Seriously do you live in the US because if so most states have a 24 hour cooloff period where you can renege and you should totally loving renege.
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Nov 11, 2015 21:52
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Yea u hosed up you're supposed to buy a Hyundai brand new if at all
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Nov 11, 2015 21:54
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Well for that price you could get a new Hyundai and their warranty, which is the only reason to buy a Hyundai.wilfredmerriweathr posted:You should feel very bad by the way. Your mother is shaking her head and your dad needs to have a talk with you about purchasing decisions and fiscal responsibility. This but unironically Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 21:56
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You should feel very bad by the way. Your mother is shaking her head and your dad needs to have a talk with you about purchasing decisions and fiscal responsibility. You bought a used car from a dealer, for shame.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:00
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Geirskogul posted:Yes. Bajaha posted:YES Yes.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:05
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But the Kelly blue book says that I paid a fair price.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:07
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Geirskogul posted:Well for that price you could get a new Hyundai and their warranty, which is the only reason to buy a Hyundai. It's ten years or 100k miles pretty sure so he has 40k more miles of warranty and the car is actually really nice as a daily driver. Instead of buying some older Honda which is probably a loose gently caress of a car since everyone drives those things into the ground. Really if he's going to spend several hours of his life somewhere every week it might as well be somewhere not covered in layers of dirt and snot from the previous five owners like a 2005 Honda would be. Well done op you bought a car that doesn't feel outdated the moment you bought it. It's an amazing feeling.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:07
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starry skies above posted:But the Kelly blue book says that I paid a fair price. Wait are you serious? Not about the price, I mean, but about believing KBB?
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Nov 11, 2015 22:09
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Geirskogul posted:Wait are you serious? Not about the price, I mean, but about believing KBB? Is Truecar.com better?
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Nov 11, 2015 22:11
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it really doesnt matter what car you get if you dont know how to drive or care about real ones now the op has a potato on wheels like every other bitchboi
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Nov 11, 2015 22:12
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Go to Craigslist/Kijiji/Gumtree/Your equivalent. Do a search for that model and year of car. Mentally average out the top 20 "By owner" results (ignoring any postings that mention "invested" or that don't have the original wheels or paint on the car), then add $1000 (for cars less than 5 years old). Compare this to the "By Dealer" results, and obtain the number halfway between the two. This is usually an actual, fair price to walk into a dealer with. Bacon Hat posted:it really doesnt matter what car you get if you dont know how to drive or care about real ones Kinda this is the reason we're all saying "Yes," though. Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 22:14
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Geirskogul posted:Go to Craigslist/Kijiji/Gumtree/Your equivalent. Do a search for that model and year of car. Mentally average out the top 20 "By owner" results (ignoring any postings that mention "invested" or that don't have the original wheels or paint on the car), then add $1000 (for cars less than 5 years old). Compare this to the "By Dealer" results, and obtain the number halfway between the two. So what's the fair price for his new car? That's a lot of steps.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:18
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there was a really good jalop a few months ago about never giving people that dont care car buying advice. there is a good 95% chance they will outright ignore you or just buy what whatever their family, dealer or the tv tells them they want
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Nov 11, 2015 22:22
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The price is fair enough, but the car is just old enough to not really be mentally worth that much (for a potatocar), but not old enough to be interesting or desirable. Halfway through a warranty (if the warranty transfers; Hyundai can be super picky about honoring it if you do things like miss documenting an oil change/get it done at a random shop they randomly don't like), nearing its first big service, and full of unknowns. And seriously, what I posted takes literally 5 minutes to do, and if you're buying a car, that's not a lot of time at all. Bacon Hat posted:there was a really good jalop a few months ago about never giving people that dont care car buying advice. here is a good example of how they will outright ignore you or just buy what whatever their family, dealer or the tv tells them they want
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Nov 11, 2015 22:23
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Darth123123 posted:So what's the fair price for his new car? That's a lot of steps. About 10 grand, depending on options. Assuming its the basic model in outstanding condition. This took 30 seconds on Edmund's by the way.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:27
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:About 10 grand, depending on options. Assuming its the basic model in outstanding condition. Why is that site better than kbb? Not being an rear end, just curious. I have to buy my son a car next year. He wants a Silverado lol.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:31
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Because it's based on actual sales and real-life depriciation, not the magical fantasy land rear end-numbers that the KBB people use. I mean, even a broken clock is right twice a day etc etc, but 99% of the time KBB is either waaaaaaay too high or...way too high.
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The funniest part about kbb vs Edmund's is that people who know cars and take care of theirs usually sell their cars for something approaching the Edmund's value (because Edmund's is based on real data) but the dispshit sellers that don't know cars (this includes dealers by the way, who are almost uniformly uninformed and have no idea about their product) will refuse to sell for less than blue book. So find someone who is willing to sell for around the Edmund's value and you'll usually end up with a vehicle that has been well taken care of.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:42
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what kind of car are u getting op? Me, I drive a 2005 mustnag
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In all sincerity I appreciate the advice I got in this thread. Even if I didn't ultimately follow it it's still good that I came across it and I may in turn pass it down to others. Sharing knowledge is good.
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starry skies above posted:In all sincerity I appreciate the advice I got in this thread. Even if I didn't ultimately follow it it's still good that I came across it and I may in turn pass it down to others. Sharing knowledge is good. starry skies above posted:Thanks for all this advice I completely ignored! I'll be sure to come back and complain in six months when something goes horribly wrong on my overpriced used hyundai that has too many miles on it for a 2-3 year old used car, ignore your advice on how to fix it myself, and whine about getting reamed by a dealership for $3k in repairs I could have done myself for $500 or had a decent shop do for $1500 Fixed that for you. I don't know why I'm writing this, since I know you won't listen, but; Seriously, if you can, take the car back. That money almost buys a brand new Accent, and yes while it's a little smaller you'd be far better off in a brand new Accent than a Sonata that's done 60k miles in two years, especially since you're roughly 5k to 10k miles from having to replace the timing belt and water pump which is a $1k+ service ($3k if you're dumb enough to take it to the dealership). You have paid about $3k too much for that car, which is 25% of the entire purchase price. Next time you want car advice, come post in the AI car advice thread, then perhaps consider actually taking our advice. literally a fish fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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starry skies above posted:Is Truecar.com better? Truecar and KBB are ran by sending out questionnaires to dealers and asking them how much they sell / have paid for used cars and then printed. That's it, not an honest value of a car, just how much they can make people pay for it
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Booblord Zagats posted:That's it, not an honest value of a car, just how much they can trick OP into paying for it
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Booblord Zagats posted:Truecar and KBB are ran by sending out questionnaires to dealers and asking them how much they sell / have paid for used cars and then printed. That's it, not an honest value of a car, just how much they can make people pay for it Quote?
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literally a fish posted:Fixed that for you. I don't know why I'm writing this, since I know you won't listen, but; This seems Reasonable. Especially the AI part. Dude was having fun I suspect.
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poo poo, I never thought about the 60k in two (three, tops) years. That car has been ridden hard.
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Darth123123 posted:Quote? I do a lot of new-hire vetting for some upscale dealerships in AZ, NM and NV. Also a good friend of mine from high school runs a Ford dealership. When I went to buy my car last October, several of them gave me the exact same advice on not taking KBB/True car values as gospel, one of them showed me his form to report sales numbers to give them regional calibration on the zip-code
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Take our (AI's) word for it. I can't show you a quote but this is pretty basic "car guy" knowledge. Note that some people will consider themselves car guys because they buy nice new cars at the dealer and have the dealer do all the service but I mean actual car guys, the kind that own multiple used cars and buy and sell them for fun. Edmunds = go KBB = no Geirskogul posted:poo poo, I never thought about the 60k in two (three, tops) years. Especially given the warranty. Beat the poo poo out of it, then trade it in on a new one is probably the mentality of the first owner. "Hey, it's under warranty!"
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Take our (AI's) word for it. I can't show you a quote but this is pretty basic "car guy" knowledge. Note that some people will consider themselves car guys because they buy nice new cars at the dealer and have the dealer do all the service but I mean actual car guys, the kind that own multiple used cars and buy and sell them for fun. Ok? But where is the funding for Each? Kbb seems manufacturer ? Edmunds?
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It is privately held. They have been publishing automotive information booklets since the 60s and now provide info via their website. It appears to be a family business. Edmunds isn't the gospel either, but it should be your first stop. Get an idea of a fair price from them, then cruise craigslist (by owner! not dealer) and ebay motors to get a feel for how prices are in your area. You'll usually notice that cars listed for a price close to what edmunds gives you sell pretty quickly, whereas ads asking "blue book" will often stick around for a month or more. That should tell you something. Some vehicles, like the Toyota Tacoma in mountain states, will usually go for more than the edmunds price, but it's definitely the place to start and has been accurate for me 90% of the time. KBB is more or less a dealer scam to make it seem like they aren't loving you. It seems like truecar is a good resource for new car buying as it gives you info about what other folks have paid in your area, but I've never used it and thus cannot vouch for it. wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:It is privately held. They have been publishing automotive information booklets since the 60s and now provide info via their website. It appears to be a family business. Tyvm
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