Terror Attack in Paris: no one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark

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Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

well we frequently have enraged internet losers going on mass murder rampages in america but you don't see us deporting somethingawful

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fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

Home-grown French citizens probably.

Immigrants tend to want to get away from the violence and death of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al.

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

My Imaginary GF posted:

Rather, it may result in proactive, rather than purely reactive, security policy being implemented in France.

So, a police state rather than a liberal democracy.

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Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Grondoth posted:

That sounds big. Does it sound big to anyone else?

This feed is looking straight at the theatre. It's not "in the streets"

Volkerball posted:

5 if the place republique report was true.

Getting no information on this or on the reports of an attack at Les Halles.

Hollande speaking right now.

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Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

Radicalized citizens are overwhelmingly more likely. See the Charlie Hebdo attack.

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Grondoth: Feb 18, 2011

Knifegrab posted:

I think its just that gunfire is louder than most people realize, sounds just like normal real gun fire to me, that poo poo is brutally loud, especially in an echo chamber of big concrete buildings. Its scary for real. I hope everyone is safe.

I meant clearly rifles, not pistols. But I guess that's self-evident.

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

You realize the last times there's been attacks it's almost always been citizens or 'immigrants' in the sense that they came over when they were like five and lived there all their lives, right?

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GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Hollande speaking right now

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Wrestlepig: Feb 25, 2011; my mum says im cool; Toilet Rascal

It's probably not refugees unless you mean disenfranchised descendants of people who came ages ago, it has gently caress-all to do with people who left Syria because they don't like ISIS.

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SoggyBobcat: Oct 2, 2013

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

Most likely radicalized French nationals, like the Charlie Hedbo attacks.

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Knifegrab: Jul 30, 2014; Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

pylb posted:

Probably muslims, but why necessarily immigrants?

Because almost all of the terrorist attacks in france have thus far been perpetrated by muslim immigrants was my understanding, or at least thats how its been presented to me, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

OK thanks for clearing that up. So its not that its not a muslim issue, its that its not an immigrant issue. Strange I would have expected the opposite to be true but any way you slice it, its assholes all the way down.

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My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Tesseraction posted:

So, a police state rather than a liberal democracy.

America is a police state for terrorists, and a liberal democracy for upstanding citizens. These two are not contradictory points.

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Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

"State of emergency on the entire teritory, borders closed" - Hollande

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Calico Heart: Mar 22, 2012; "wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"

snakeandbake posted:

All muslim immigrants should be assumed to be armed and dangerous. Agreed.

Breaking news this evening as every muslim immigrant in Paris took 60 people hostage

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Kro-Bar: Jul 24, 2004; USPOL May

Hollande is calling in military backup.

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Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Kro-Bar posted:

Gunfire reported at the Louvre, per CNN.

Jesus.

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Jagchosis posted:

the prison raid was in hawjia iraq which is not very far from the front line between isis and kurdistan, while jihadi john was in raqqa syria, which is isis's main city there

My spider sense tells me these are not contiguous zones.

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Abandoned Toaster: Jun 4, 2008

Knifegrab posted:

I'm confused, do you not think this was perpetrated by muslim immigrants? And if it wasn't who did it? I'm not baiting just curious.

There have been cases where the terrorists were born-and-bred citizens of the country in question or converted later in life. :ssh:

Also we both know that not all immigrants are refugees.

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Knifegrab posted:

Because almost all of the terrorist attacks in france have thus far been perpetrated by muslim immigrants was my understanding, or at least thats how its been presented to me, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

You've been 'presented' this wrong, the last attack was entirely French citizens.

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Didn't France say after 9/11 that it would respond to a massive terrorist attack with nuclear weapons?

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Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

Hollande right now:

State of Emergency.
Borders closed.
The military is moving in on Paris.

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Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Hollande's announcements are not half-measures. State of Emergency, borders closed, military on the move.

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Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Tesseraction posted:

My spider sense tells me these are not contiguous zones.

There was a botched raid in Raqqa a year or so ago to try and get Foley or one of those guys. Location is really not an obstacle.

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Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Fojar38 posted:

Didn't France say after 9/11 that it would respond to a massive terrorist attack with nuclear weapons?

And who would they bomb, the suburbs? Don't be absurd.

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

My Imaginary GF posted:

America is a police state for terrorists, and a liberal democracy for upstanding citizens. These two are not contradictory points.

There is a proper argument to be made here, but now is not the time, MIGF.

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Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Hollande just closed the borders

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

France just closed its borders
https://twitter.com/thomas_wiegold/status/665302098427285504

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Aspergeoisie: Jun 6, 2009; by R. Guyovich

Evil Fluffy posted:

Reality like you being human garbage?

I didn't say refugees are committing these atrocities. I was suggesting that the Islamic extremists who did very likely infiltrated Europe with the refugees, as Europeans police and intelligence agencies have warned about for months. Wow so edgy wow.

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A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Fojar38 posted:

Didn't France say after 9/11 that it would respond to a massive terrorist attack with nuclear weapons?

Any attack carried out with firearms and conventional bombs can hardly be called a massive terrorist attack.

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BetterToRuleInHell: Jul 2, 2007; Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop

Drunk Canuck posted:

Obama really has nothing to do with this

Obama has to come out on this and save face when his interview about ISIS being contained airs the same day terrorists coordinated an large scale terrorist attack.

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Fojar38 posted:

Didn't France say after 9/11 that it would respond to a massive terrorist attack with nuclear weapons?

That doesn't sound like something they'd say at the time but regardless, even if they did it's not like 'a dude said a thing' is an ancient blood oath they're bound to. poo poo may well get bad for people in the aftermath but I THINK we can cross 'nuclear winter' off the list.

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System Metternich: Feb 28, 2010; But what did he mean by that?

Fojar38 posted:

Didn't France say after 9/11 that it would respond to a massive terrorist attack with nuclear weapons?

lol, do you think they're going to blow up Raqqa? Spoiler: they won't, there's nothing to blow up but desert and civilians. This isn't Tom Clancy

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pathetic little tramp: Dec 12, 2005; by Hillary Clinton's assassins; Fallen Rib

How sad are peoples' lives that they're capable of being radicalised by ISIS? Whenever these attacks occur in the west, it generally seems to be radicalised people. Do they just rile people up against Assad and that's it?

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My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Lemming posted:

Hollande just closed the borders

The man knows good politics.

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Calico Heart: Mar 22, 2012; "wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"