Helsing posted:

Great, you're convinced that the culture you grew up in is the best culture ever. That's an almost universal intuition among human beings. I have it to in fact. But so what? Other than whatever satisfaction you apparently get by posting these hard truths you've gleaned here on the internet what exactly does it matter that you think "the west" has a better culture than Islam? How is that relevant to this discussion of Islamophobia?

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Western culture also got to genocide two entire continents of people and pretty much screwed over another without any real repercussions.

Black Baby Goku posted:

I can think of way worse things than racism and colonialism happening in the Middle East.

Tei posted:

These american natives were killing each another when the europeans paid a visit. The europeans were better, because they had a more cooler culture that paid attention to science and engineering. Better weapons, better doctors, better ships.

SedanChair posted:

Is there a religion better than Islam?

Mandy Thompson posted:

Fundamentalism is a backlash against racism and colonialism. Daesh is a creation of western powers as was the Taliban.

Tei posted:

I have already given you a answer. But you was not happy because It involved scrolling on your browser window, maybe visiting the past page of posts.

So here the one you want. For you.

Christianism seems better than Islam.

I am not expert in religions, so maybe I will get you wrong, hope you can correct me If I make a mistake.

It seems gays are tolerated in the christian religion I think the Pope recently said something about that.

If anything, it seems the line with gays is more tolerant than with islam.

Again, correct me If I am wrong. Thanks for your post. Sorry If I make mistakes in mine.

Ddraig posted:

If we're putting forth suggestions for "religions better than Islam" I'd like to nominate Sikhs. They're a pretty chill bunch of dudes, with an excellent history of equality for women, do not view science as anathema (their creation myth is pretty much the Big Bang) and as a plus for bigots look enough like Muslims that you can kick the poo poo out of them if you have a hard time spotting Muslims.

Swan Oat posted:

Islam is the light, Islam is the way

Black Bones posted:

Tell us more about Christianism and Christianists, Tei

quote:

The word Christianism is being used as a descriptive term for Christian political conservatives mostly in the United States, for the ideology of the Christian Right, meant as a counterpoint to "Islamism".[1][2] Writing in 2005, the New York Times language columnist William Safire attributed the term (in this novel usage) to blogger Andrew Sullivan, who wrote on June 1, 2003, page 19,[3] "I have a new term for those on the fringes of the religious right who have used the Gospels to perpetuate their own aspirations for power, control and oppression: Christianists. They are as anathema to true Christians as the Islamists are to true Islam."[1] The bloggers Tristero and David Neiwert used the term shortly after.[4][5] Sullivan later expanded on his usage of the term in a Time magazine column.[6] Uses of the term can be found dating back to the seventeenth century, but these are unrelated to its modern meaning.[1]

This meaning of Christianism has started to gain a foothold in the United Kingdom too, according to one commentator.[7]

This Americanism circumvents the etymology of the suffix "-ism" which means "doctrine, theory, system of principles" (the other meanings are not applicable to religions) whereas the suffix "-ity" means just "state, quality or condition". In other Latin-based languages such as Castilian,[8] Galician and Catalan and from other countries such as Portuguese, French, Occitan, Italian, etc. the suffix "-ity" (-idad, -dade, -té, -ità) means Christians as a group, their geographical distribution, and their shared cultural identity, what in English is called Christendom, with its own suffix being of Germanic etymological roots.

Black Bones posted:

Tell us more about Christianism and Christianists, Tei

Cat Mattress posted:

Given that a key argument of people recruiting for the cause of bigotry against Muslims is that they're trying to erase Western culture and replace it with Islamic culture through the twin weapons of mass immigration and terrorism, you should find it extremely relevant.

It's about as relevant as the depiction they make of Islamic culture, which apparently consists entirely and exclusively of genital mutilation, sexist and religious oppression, and the interdiction of all forms of entertainment except for slicing body parts out of people called "criminals" by a bunch of scary bearded weirdos.

Helsing posted:

What are they saying should be done about this fact?

Tei posted:

One of these things (of many) is privacy. Defend personal privacy.

Tei posted:

I will respond, but you will not like the answer:

Identity what make it a good civilization, and protect it. One of these things (of many) is privacy. Defend personal privacy. You want another one, freedom of expresion, like cartoon artists work.

Real people believe all cultures are equal, and thats ignorant and bland, boring and dangerous for our survival and well being.

Cat Mattress posted:

Helsing posted:

Can you be specific? This answer leaves me no closer to understanding your position. What does "defend personal privacy" mean in practice?

Tei posted:

SedanChair posted:

"Would you like to use your rite-aid rewards card?"

"Why so I can CEDE CULTURAL VICTORY TO DAESH?!"

Tei posted:

- You probably should not use your real name in social networks like Facebook. Doing so open yourself to get a lot of data indexed that will get in bad hands or use against you.
- You should not register your phone to identity accounts on the internet with a phone that can be used to identity you.
- If you are asked to get a card to buy poo poo. Consider that if you pay everything you buy with this card, you are giving a profile of what you buy. Some day in the future that information can be used against you, to make your credit score worse, to deny you a life insurance.
- You should use the https version of websites when you connect trough a wifi network or in a lan.
- Consider using less know services. If everyone email is in gmail, is easier for a nation state to attack your privacy. Consider using alternative email services like gmx, do some search and find your own. You can mix system, like ask for something in a sms and receive it in a email.
- When you are using a social network, don't talk in public about where you will go in the holydays. Probably is not a good idea to use them for political talk. If you have something political to say, is probably better to create a blog.
- If you buy a hostname and a hosting service, try to use anonimization services, so people can't get your details with a simple whois.
- Bet gentle with police. They are there to help you. But don't give unnecessary info that will not help them find criminals. If you think they are targeting you, shut the gently caress up and contact a lawyer. Law is complicate, you will need a lawyer not to have a problem with this type of poo poo. Really, police is cool people, but they see too much poo poo, so they end thinking everyone has hidden poo poo, so they don't / can't really think honest people exist.
- If you have a secret, don't tell anyone. If you have a secret and you tell somebody, is not a secret anymore.
- ...don't write what you don't want people to read. don't record what you don't want to people to see. This include pictures of your tits you plan to send to your boyfriend.
- Ask permission before sharing photos/videos/stories with other people.
- Don't tell anyone about how you build your passwords. What type of passwords you use.
- Try to not make spelling mistakes. They will allow in the future algorithms to undo anonymization by using characteristics misspelling like traits in a fingerprint.

I can continue, but I am not a expert and is taking too long to write this poo poo. If you ask for more, I will try to provide more.

SedanChair posted:

Is this more moral authority? Where can I apply to get some of it?

Tei posted:

- You probably should not use your real name in social networks like Facebook. Doing so open yourself to get a lot of data indexed that will get in bad hands or use against you.
- You should not register your phone to identity accounts on the internet with a phone that can be used to identity you.
- If you are asked to get a card to buy poo poo. Consider that if you pay everything you buy with this card, you are giving a profile of what you buy. Some day in the future that information can be used against you, to make your credit score worse, to deny you a life insurance.
- You should use the https version of websites when you connect trough a wifi network or in a lan.
- Consider using less know services. If everyone email is in gmail, is easier for a nation state to attack your privacy. Consider using alternative email services like gmx, do some search and find your own. You can mix system, like ask for something in a sms and receive it in a email.
- When you are using a social network, don't talk in public about where you will go in the holydays. Probably is not a good idea to use them for political talk. If you have something political to say, is probably better to create a blog.
- If you buy a hostname and a hosting service, try to use anonimization services, so people can't get your details with a simple whois.
- Bet gentle with police. They are there to help you. But don't give unnecessary info that will not help them find criminals. If you think they are targeting you, shut the gently caress up and contact a lawyer. Law is complicate, you will need a lawyer not to have a problem with this type of poo poo. Really, police is cool people, but they see too much poo poo, so they end thinking everyone has hidden poo poo, so they don't / can't really think honest people exist.
- If you have a secret, don't tell anyone. If you have a secret and you tell somebody, is not a secret anymore.
- ...don't write what you don't want people to read. don't record what you don't want to people to see. This include pictures of your tits you plan to send to your boyfriend.
- Ask permission before sharing photos/videos/stories with other people.
- Don't tell anyone about how you build your passwords. What type of passwords you use.
- Try to not make spelling mistakes. They will allow in the future algorithms to undo anonymization by using characteristics misspelling like traits in a fingerprint.

I can continue, but I am not a expert and is taking too long to write this poo poo. If you ask for more, I will try to provide more.

Effectronica posted:

I don't know why reminiscence of modern scientific understanding is a moral point in a religion's favor. Is it because many supposed nonreligious atheists are actually practitioners of the atheistic religion of scientism?

SlipUp posted:

I heard about the Colorado Springs shooting today. I haven't read or watched anything, but I find it disturbing no Christians have condemned the attack. Apparently It might not have been specifically targeting PP, but that white dude is definitely a Christian and those crazy extremists think their enemies are going to burn for eternity and that the bible advocates violence in the name of their god, whatever that was.

Mandy Thompson posted:

I condemn the attack.

SlipUp posted:

I heard about the Colorado Springs shooting today. I haven't read or watched anything, but I find it disturbing no Christians have condemned the attack.

SlipUp posted:

Easy enough for you to say under complete anonymity. Isn't true that you could just lie to my face and your god will forgive you later?

PT6A posted:

Me too, and I don't mean this sarcastically in the least. We should very much see the Catholic Church, for example, condemning this action. We should see other pro-life organizations condemning this action. When something is done in your name, whether or not you're responsible, you've got to get out there and deal with it.

I hate being accused of Islamophobia, because I hold all religious traditions to the same standard (and, yes, when atheists do insane thing, it's our responsibility to call that out very loudly as well). Considering context, it's clear to me that Islam is no worse than any other religion, it's just that the people who practice it have a much greater chance of being completely out of their loving minds at this particular point in history (note that, for many centuries, the opposite was true, vis a vis Christianity).

SlipUp posted:

Okay that was exhausting enough after three posts, i seriously don't know where people can keep an endless well of hatred and bigotry and lead healthy lives.

Mandy Thompson posted:

You are being really presumptuous about who I am and what I believe. This is the same callousness and sanctimony I started the thread to condemn. Nothing justifies murder and I believe in the right of women to bodily autonomy whether that be for an abortion, for birth control, or for changing their gender presentation. I am also a devout Christian who believes that we are all children of God. To me, there is such a thing as corporate sin, the collective sins of patriarchy and white supremacy.