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Christianity and Judaism have both had systems of religious law and managed to secularize eventually, believing Islam can't despite being very similar to its Abrahamic predecessors is just dumb. Political Islam is political, it's driven by political forces and the solution must be political too. For the most part it didn't even exist until after World War II.
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Mr Hootington posted:Are you saying Christianity and Judaism are no longer politicized? Have you ever been to a church? We no longer have Christian or Jewish theocratic governments (please don't let Ben Carson with the election  ) and most Christian-majority countries put some amount of effort into keeping Jesus out of government. Several hundred years ago, most of Christendom lived under Catholic canon law, which is basically the same poo poo as sharia in a different wrapper. Muslim-majority countries at one point were largely secular, until repeated American and Soviet political fuckery pretty much made radical Islam the only viable ideology left after the superpowers co-opted, corrupted, or destroyed all others. Iran had a bona fide democracy until the US rewarded them for their bold democratic experiment by overthrowing it and installing their pet tyrant in its place.Political Islam has nothing to do with Islam being "incompatible with secularism" or other such nonsense, it is a condition that was created only a few decades ago and could go away if the West stopped constantly inflaming it. If Christians and Jews can live under democracy, so can Muslims, the religions are not really all that different.
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Nov 26, 2015 18:15
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SedanChair posted:Is this more moral authority? Where can I apply to get some of it? Become a rented Negro and promote the subordination of black people through respectability politics and patronizing speeches. However your moral authority will extend to other black people only.
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Nov 28, 2015 00:03
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Omi-Polari posted:This is dumb instead read Shadi Hamid who is one of the smartest American experts on Islamism: This is gibberish. Christianity not only has had a concept of explicitly Christian states (basically all of Europe north of the Balkans since basically forever), but Catholicism had its very own caliphate in the form of the Holy Roman Empire, which lasted over a thousand years, and had emperors who were treated as avatars of Christendom and crowned by the pope. Oh yeah, "Christendom", that was totally a thing, and it was exactly the same thing as the Dar al-Islam. And no, just because the House of Habsburg were not themselves clerics did not mean they were basically a Catholic caliphate--most of the Islamic caliphs were kings and emperors whose rule was legitimated by holy men, not holy men themselves--Ottoman caliph Mehmet the Conqueror (perhaps the most famous of all caliphs for his conquest of Byzantium) was pretty much the same sort of man as the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V who ruled a few decades later (and ol' Chuck didn't even give you the option of jizya--it was Christianity or death, peasant). quote:For this reason, among others, the equivalent of ISIS simply couldn’t exist in Christian-majority societies.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War This war was caused by various armies of religious fanatics attempting to create religiously pure states based on a sectarian divide within Christianity. The Protestants of the 17th century practiced an extremely radical, iconoclastic, violent form of Christianity and the Swedes in particular had a reputation for performing barbaric tortures on Catholics during the war. In the end around eight million people died.
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