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ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Who gives a poo poo about encryption? If someone is looking at your poo poo you are gonna know they're looking at your poo poo and you can just social justice warrior the gently caress out of them. :shrug:

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Don Tacorleone posted:

Snowden has a Twitter and he never tweets anything funny

gently caress that guy

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

ANIME IS BLOOD posted:

lmao stupid NSA bitches still couldn't pre-empt the paris attacks even with all their bullshit

defund them and tear down the HQ as a warning to the rest of the government

I think you might be confused as to the purpose of mass surveillance of the populace by our own governments.

Simstim
Mar 16, 2005

You just gave me a great idea buddy.
president: I want a wire tap
underling: on who, mr. president?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Simstim posted:

president: I want a wire tap
underling: on who, mr. president?


A reminder that the whole vacuum up everything made the whole Signal to Noise ratio worse for intelligence gathering.

With so much data being collected it was easy to lose the really important pieces of information.

For example despite the huge tech edge the US was not able to predict things such as the use of chemical weapons in Syria

NigelsPoppet
Jul 22, 2015
Did Snowden help ISIS more than the rest of the CIA?

I know him teaching The Tusken Raiders how to use encryption is a big deal but I remember the CIA sent a whole bunch of Anti-Air and Anti-Tank rockets and guns to anyone in Syria who could say "I love USA and I def want democracy here lol" with a straight face when the civil war picked up.

Who gets the gold star?

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
Remember that time when the PRISM leaks eroded worldwide confidence in American technology companies?

Also that time the NSA intercepted laptops in transit and installed spyware?

down n out
Sep 16, 2008

Nap Ghost

NigelsPoppet posted:

Did Snowden help ISIS more than the rest of the CIA?

I know him teaching The Tusken Raiders how to use encryption is a big deal but I remember the CIA sent a whole bunch of Anti-Air and Anti-Tank rockets and guns to anyone in Syria who could say "I love USA and I def want democracy here lol" with a straight face when the civil war picked up.

Who gets the gold star?

ISIS encryption bad

US-backed militia good

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

NigelsPoppet posted:

I know him teaching The Tusken Raiders how to use encryption is a big deal

lol

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


I cut myself shaving. Now I have blood on my hands. Allahu Akbar.

reignofevil
Nov 7, 2008
Our security through obscurity! How DARE you reveal what a sham it is! :argh:

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

reignofevil posted:

Our security through obscurity! How DARE you reveal what a sham it is! :argh:

I like how the NSA guys use government resources to stalk/track their ex girlfriends and even jokingly referred to it as love intel.

They only caught the above employees since they confessed during their security interview not through some interna audit or control system

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
ya lol edward snowden is responsible for all this no doubt

Vastarien
Dec 20, 2012

Where I live is nightmare, thus a certain nonchalance.



Buglord
Allah bless Snowden.

tomatoes and shit
Sep 17, 2015

So he wasn’t blowing the whistle on anything illegal; he was exposing something that failed to meet his own standards of propriety. The question, of course, is whether the government can function when all of its employees (and contractors) can take it upon themselves to sabotage the programs they don’t like. That’s what Snowden has done.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/edward-snowden-is-no-hero

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
JESUS, TAKE THE KEYBOARD

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

fakiebeanplant posted:

So he wasn’t blowing the whistle on anything illegal; he was exposing something that failed to meet his own standards of propriety. The question, of course, is whether the government can function when all of its employees (and contractors) can take it upon themselves to sabotage the programs they don’t like. That’s what Snowden has done.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/edward-snowden-is-no-hero

thanks for the link from 2013?

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Part of me thinks the NSA is already a couple of steps ahead as far as breaking or bypassing encryption goes. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if that wasn't the case.

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
nsa falling flat on their social media game

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
this is utter retard propaganda and the intelligence community is covering its own rear end because ultimately there's no real way to monitor all encrypted communication in modern times.

hell afaik one of the hardest methods to trace is when they log in to an MMO and chat in game

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

ANIME IS BLOOD posted:

snowden 4 president
you mean ron paul 'cuz that's where he put his money

Slow-Scan Shep fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 22, 2015

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

"ron paul '08" - edward snowden, 2007

tomatoes and shit
Sep 17, 2015

Moridin920 posted:

this is utter retard propaganda and the intelligence community is covering its own rear end because ultimately there's no real way to monitor all encrypted communication in modern times.

hell afaik one of the hardest methods to trace is when they log in to an MMO and chat in game

when did we decide that national intelligence was an all-or-nothing dichotomy where either

a.) we somehow intercept all encrypted communications

or else

b.) surveillance is utterly valueless

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

assange is a serial sexual predator (with right-wing connections), greenwald defended neo-nazi terrorists in court and snowden is an anborrent libertarian the left just can't stop slobbering over

manning is the only one who isn't a gigantic loving tool

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
omg! dick cheney is like a cool grandpa you wish you could have, george bush is that funny uncle who won't stop saying goofy stuff, and reagan is just like the storeowner down the street who always let you "help out" for a few quarters

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

fakiebeanplant posted:

when did we decide that national intelligence was an all-or-nothing dichotomy where either

a.) we somehow intercept all encrypted communications

or else

b.) surveillance is utterly valueless

idk man I think it's valuable to do something obv but it's just ridiculous to blame snowden for the paris attacks because 'he revealed how useless we are'

tomatoes and shit
Sep 17, 2015

Moridin920 posted:

idk man I think it's valuable to do something obv but it's just ridiculous to blame snowden for the paris attacks because 'he revealed how useless we are'

someone with a brain larger than a GBS poster can visit https://snowdenarchive.cjfe.org/ and peruse the documents. I'm looking a cool one now explaining how they optimized PINWALE and PRESSUREWAVE to stop storing useless metadata generated by the Yahoo! messenger client.

Imagine being a super-driven and somewhat bright employee trying to view porn at work undetected. Having access to gigabytes of technical documentation regarding how your employer looks for network abuse would probably be somewhat useful in evading detection.

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
i often imagine what it would be like if i were smart. a man can dream. even a stupid man.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

fakiebeanplant posted:

someone with a brain larger than a GBS poster can visit https://snowdenarchive.cjfe.org/ and peruse the documents. I'm looking a cool one now explaining how they optimized PINWALE and PRESSUREWAVE to stop storing useless metadata generated by the Yahoo! messenger client.

Imagine being a super-driven and somewhat bright employee trying to view porn at work undetected. Having access to gigabytes of technical documentation regarding how your employer looks for network abuse would probably be somewhat useful in evading detection.

lol come the gently caress on dude they're not so braindead that they can't learn based on what gets intercepted and what doesn't. yeah snowden revealed a lot of sensitive info but to say that he has blood on his hands is ridiculous.

the ideal situation is to not create monstrosities like ISIS through retard foreign policy so then we don't need to later justify mass surveillance to stop them attacking us. it's annoying how people are so quick to assign blame to Islam instead of also realizing that the last 10-15 years in that region were just utter fuckwittery - as if ISIS just sprang up from the desert sands.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Shadow posted:

lol if we think we can pull this poo poo forever we BETTER keep funding our military at the astronomically absurd amount we do

Maybe if by "astronomically absurd" you mean "inadequate".

tomatoes and shit
Sep 17, 2015

Moridin920 posted:

lol come the gently caress on dude they're not so braindead that they can't learn based on what gets intercepted and what doesn't. yeah snowden revealed a lot of sensitive info but to say that he has blood on his hands is ridiculous.

the ideal situation is to not create monstrosities like ISIS through retard foreign policy so then we don't need to later justify mass surveillance to stop them attacking us. it's annoying how people are so quick to assign blame to Islam instead of also realizing that the last 10-15 years in that region were just utter fuckwittery - as if ISIS just sprang up from the desert sands.

ahh yes. the suicidal sociopaths in ISIS are meticulously documenting which communications occur over which channels in order to reverse engineer the oppositions' surveillance techniques.

(not saying you're wrong, but you're generously implying that ISIS is equally invested in STEM R&D as they are in facilitating the apocalypse)

and yea i agree; the ideal situation in most scenarios often involves time travel. glad to hear the solution is somewhere in the middle ™

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

les fleurs du mall posted:

facebook isn't the russian equivalent of facebook?

http://vk.com/

les fleurs du mall
Jun 30, 2014

by LadyAmbien

you can sign in via facebook though

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
sounds like a good way to have some russians hijack your facebook

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Moridin920 posted:

lol come the gently caress on dude they're not so braindead that they can't learn based on what gets intercepted and what doesn't. yeah snowden revealed a lot of sensitive info but to say that he has blood on his hands is ridiculous.

the ideal situation is to not create monstrosities like ISIS through retard foreign policy so then we don't need to later justify mass surveillance to stop them attacking us. it's annoying how people are so quick to assign blame to Islam instead of also realizing that the last 10-15 years in that region were just utter fuckwittery - as if ISIS just sprang up from the desert sands.

A reminder that it's a intelligence community that felt sabotaging polio vaccinations in pakistan was a fair trade for killing Osama.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Let's all take a break and listen to some awesome Bruce Springsteen

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

memy posted:

Actually Ed Snowden is a great American, op

motivated entirely by greed, yes exactly

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
i do like how snowden totally stole assange's thunder like the guy was loving the fact that if he died in a car crash it'd totally be a cia assassination and then this pasty nerd leaks NSA stuff and suddenly nobody gives a poo poo about wikileaks anymore

AntifaSupersoldier
Jul 30, 2003

Reality is what you can get away with
Hell Gem
Latest Snowden leak: SA forums poster "fakiebeanplant" is an NSA disinfo agent assigned to somethingawful.com :twisted:

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tomatoes and shit
Sep 17, 2015

etalian posted:

A reminder that it's a intelligence community that felt sabotaging polio vaccinations in pakistan was a fair trade for killing Osama.


this happened in 2012. Assuming the ~300 polio cases in 2014 is constant across the last 4 or so years, the cost of this CIA initiative is 1500. (keep in mind this is w/ heavy assumptions, including every case is counted as a death)

Sept 11th killed 2,996 people

quantitatively speaking, it was fairer than you'd like to believe

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