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plain blue jacket posted:That is fair (???) Highway of Tears is the most famous one, I'm sure there's plenty more. If you want to kill people for fun, targeting the poor who are also victims of institutionalized racism is the best way of doing it and no one will come looking for you because "it's their own fault for putting themselves at risk". Victim blaming is fun and cool!!!
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Picnic Princess posted:Highway of Tears is the most famous one, I'm sure there's plenty more. If you want to kill women for fun, targeting the poor who are also victims of institutionalized racism is the best way of doing it and no one will come looking for you because "it's their own fault for putting themselves at risk". Our previous government fought tooth and nail against any sort of investigation into this! 
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Well, at least they caught the most prolific serial murderer that we know of. Pickton, was it? Right?  Right? 
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zoink2000 posted:I moved to Guelph a couple years ago for a job and don't know many people in town; Can we rename this thread to "Guelph goon meet" and everyone post about how much they'd love to meet me ? Thanks in advance! I'm down for a goon meet at Salsateria
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Fat Lowtax posted:What I wonder about college rape coverups: it's not something you're really able to talk about, but someone has to be the world's best College Rape Cover-Upper and their skillset has to be in demand in the college rape coverup industry it's not hard when you're one of the biggest employers in the town (which most big colleges are) and no one with power wants to question you plus yeah you lawyer up and things are cool
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Nov 23, 2015 14:12
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i demand a black counselor to talk to i DEMAND it
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Nov 23, 2015 14:54
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Hector Beerlioz posted:I don't know what I'd do if someone called me a honkey. Probably cry. At 44 years old, I still don't understand why the word "honkey" is a slur. "Cracker" at least is something I can trace a connection with ("whip-cracker = slave owner); "white devil" is just ridiculous but at least easily understood; "whitey" is obvious but still not something that offends me - but "honkey" is a mystery. Even Wikipedia has nothing but a bunch of nonsense as explanation (under "honky"). I am perplexed, Goons.
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Nov 23, 2015 23:12
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Ive got something to guelph you  Just a quick guelp
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Nov 23, 2015 23:19
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yhe comment section on that site seems a bit racist tbh
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Nov 23, 2015 23:39
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Jerry Mumphrey posted:yhe comment section on that site seems a bit racist tbh Are you saying you've seen comment sections on the internet that are not racist? I saw a video on youtube of two golden retriever puppies playing on a beach, it had 100 views and three comments. The top comment was something about Arabs.
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Picnic Princess posted:Highway of Tears is the most famous one, I'm sure there's plenty more. If you want to kill people for fun, targeting the poor who are also victims of institutionalized racism is the best way of doing it and no one will come looking for you because "it's their own fault for putting themselves at risk". I too assume that there are plenty more examples of this extraordinary thing, people are very racist after all.
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Triamcinolone posted:I too assume that there are plenty more examples of this extraordinary thing, people are very racist after all. It happens in Manitoba too, for sure, on the highway up to The Pas/Thompson and some reserves. And in Saskatchewan the police used to arrest them and dump them out in the middle of nowhere where they froze to death. Animals are treated better than aboriginals in Canada. They've been through horrific things and I don't blame the ones who hate white people whatsover.
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Professor Shark posted:Our previous government fought tooth and nail against any sort of investigation into this! I still think the reason Harper fought so hard to not investigate the murders/kidnappings is because that was his hobby.
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KaiserSchnitzel posted:At 44 years old, I still don't understand why the word "honkey" is a slur. "Cracker" at least is something I can trace a connection with ("whip-cracker = slave owner); "white devil" is just ridiculous but at least easily understood; "whitey" is obvious but still not something that offends me - but "honkey" is a mystery. Even Wikipedia has nothing but a bunch of nonsense as explanation (under "honky"). None of those slurs matter. Still white after you get called a cracker. It's not from whip cracking (probably).
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Nov 24, 2015 02:02
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Cracker does not come from "slave whip cracker" although it's a cute idea.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:05
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It's from baseball This was explained to you all on page 1
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Nov 24, 2015 02:08
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White devil is perfectly reasonable and ought to be the go to descriptor.
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Nov 24, 2015 02:10
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Pale Satan Dandruff Skin Melaninless Marty Sunless Susie Tanner Mayo Face
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Ultimate Shrek Fan posted:I still think the reason Harper fought so hard to not investigate the murders/kidnappings is because that was his hobby. The original impetus for the investigation was the pig farmer in BC, and the cops didn't investigate any of the missing women that hard, regardless of race. The upcoming inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women will point the blame squarely on The conditions on the one reserve I used to work at were pretty much. People have kids in their late teens through to their late 30's. The grandparents raise the kids and can't control them because they are too old. The kids grow up never going to school and just causing trouble around the reserve. They get into gang culture or prostitution on/off reserve, and they get killed. Before that happens, those kids will have a ton of kids and they end up getting raised by their great-grandparents (because the kids grandparents won't do it), and the cycle continues. At the First Nations high school I taught at, they had the tribal police and elders in all the time to counsel the kids. At no time was education or work pushed, it was always "learn the culture, that will fix everything!" or "nothing is your fault, colonization is to blame for everything!". So you had a bunch of kids who never even tried to do well, because, "colonization is going to keep me down!" so they never even try despite most companies jumping at the chance to hire qualified first Nations people (medical profession especially). The first nations people in Canada got a really raw deal, and continue to, but horrible mismanagement of funds and family infighting (think medieval families trying to gain power and loving everything up on reserve in the process) are the current issues that are keeping first nations people down. The reserve I am talking about used to have a certain amount of money allocated to education, and it could only be used for education. As a result they had amazing facilities and saved up enough cash to build a beautiful school staffed with a ton of qualified teachers. Now that they have more "self governance" they've pissed all the education money away and the schools are 1/2 staffed with different community members who "almost finished university" or "did really well in high school" because it is cheaper than paying real teachers. That board of education is now millions in debt because all the money allocated towards the future of their children has been pissed away to buy votes for the next chief. If you want to see how a reserve can flourish with non-corrupt leadership, check out Chief Louie out in BC. He's pretty much the polar-opposite of Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence who was caught stealing/mismanaging all her reserve's cash, and then sidestepped the issue by hijacking the Idle no more movement, which she pretty much killed all by herself.
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Blistex posted:The original impetus for the investigation was the pig farmer in BC, and the cops didn't investigate any of the missing women that hard, regardless of race. The upcoming inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women will point the blame squarely on hmm actually im pretty sure the problem is not enough tim hortons locations on native land. the Canadian dream is a coffee in every pot and a lovely sandwich in every hand
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Nov 24, 2015 03:17
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Professor Shark posted:University of Guelph covers up rapes no dont.
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Video/link is down. Any mirrors?
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Do it ironically posted:i think really the only answer is to remove white people from power at the university and start mandatory ethnic classes ala winnipeg, would be a good start The mandatory classes should be in high school. University students are more likely to not be huge idiot racists
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Fried Watermelon posted:The mandatory classes should be in high school. The problem with these classes, and I have seen some similar ones in university and the high school I used to teach at, is that (depending on who they get to teach it) they often turn into "shaming sessions" with the First Nations Speaker coming in and basically saying to all the kids, "you are the reason first nations are having such trouble". Bonus points awarded when the students include first generation immigrants from African colonial countries. Those sessions/classes don't usually breed tolerance and understanding, but seem to create the exact opposite effect. The first nations high school I used to work at had a lot of students who would say very racist things about blacks, asians, and jews, and the teachers lodged complaints with the principal. The principal took it up with the board of education, and the director of education issued a statement that basically said, "First Nations people are not capable of racism, that is a characteristic unique to people of European descent".
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Blistex is right about the schools and also another thing that sucks is education on the rez is so flipping bad I was teaching a girl in grade 7 who couldn't spell the word "truck" at 12 years old because she was so hosed up from her and her whole family huffing insane amounts of gasoline. But she would get pushed through grades anyway so her rez could report a shiny report on how many kids finished grades. The first nation high school I worked with only taught the college level courses meaning those kids couldn't even go to university if they wanted to and were smart enough to, which many were. Then I recently worked with a girl who is incredibly smart and a hard worker and someone at a Shoppers wouldn't sell her a bottle of listerene.
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man that sucks listerine gets you a lot of shoppers optimum points, and if it was a double day then super sucks
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KaiserSchnitzel posted:At 44 years old, I still don't understand why the word "honkey" is a slur. "Cracker" at least is something I can trace a connection with ("whip-cracker = slave owner); "white devil" is just ridiculous but at least easily understood; "whitey" is obvious but still not something that offends me - but "honkey" is a mystery. Even Wikipedia has nothing but a bunch of nonsense as explanation (under "honky"). It's a common misconception that cracker comes from the "whip crack". Your right there are no racial slurs that white people get offended by.
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My friend likes to use the word "Ofay". He says it's something like white devil. I rather like it and hope more people use it as well.
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Do it ironically posted:man that sucks listerine gets you a lot of shoppers optimum points, and if it was a double day then super sucks yes she was really upset and I have an inkling that this was the reason
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Toriori posted:Blistex is right about the schools and also another thing that sucks is education on the rez is so flipping bad I was teaching a girl in grade 7 who couldn't spell the word "truck" at 12 years old because she was so hosed up from her and her whole family huffing insane amounts of gasoline. But she would get pushed through grades anyway so her rez could report a shiny report on how many kids finished grades. At my school I had to teach a "catch up" math course for some of the grade nine students coming from the elementary school down the street. The elementary school was big enough that every grade had two classes. So there were two grade 7 teachers, two grade 8 teachers, etc. The problem was that one of the grade 7 teachers and one of the grade 8 teachers didn't like math, so their solution was to not teach math. So one class had both of those teachers, and for the entirety of grades 7 and 8 they did absolutely no math at all. Normally this would be a problem, but you can't fire people who are related to the Chief. So I had to get these students ready for grade 9 math, because they had done absolutely no math for the two previous years. Our highschool would graduate about 10 students each year, and about 6 of them would go to university/college. By Christmas, there would usually only be 2 students left as the other 4 couldn't hack it in a real educational institution or they had massive culture shock and need to go back to the reserve. Our Board of Education was passing so many students who just didn't get it, and just kept pushing them along to pad their grad rates. Naturally none of this could ever be addressed or even mentioned, as the director was pretty much Stalin, so "no bad news can exist!". The board also laid off every contract teacher they could, and replaced them with ATEP teachers (Aboriginal Teacher Education Program). The vast majority of these teachers never even finished high school themselves, and just got pushed into the ATEP program which is just a diploma mill. When you look at an ATEP teacher's qualification, it looks like they did a full degree at Queen's University, while in reality most of them only spend two days a week in a classroom in a community complex for a year. So basically First Nation's education has already reached, and passed the "high water mark" and it's only going to go downhill from here as they are in the process of replacing real teachers with ones that are not actually qualified because they would rather employee a community member and keep that salary on reserve rather than actually teach their children and have them succeed. If I ever get on to the Public board of education and fully employed off reserve I am going to do an effort-post AMA about my six years in FN's education. The thread will pretty much read like a "stdh.txt" post because the stuff that was considered normal on reserve was just to loving unbelievable.
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Honestly it would probably make you sound like a racist to boot but a lot of the issues and crazy poo poo are not isolated incidents. My partner works extensively with adult aboriginal learners who never got to learn how to read or write properly and they try so hard, one who struggled really badly with alcoholism was so nice and wanted to better his life but he was found dead recently after passing out and falling in a river. The worst is the kids who just get failed by every single person and system that are supposed to support them. Just completely burdened by insitutionalized racism, lateral violence, racism and nepotism
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Toriori posted:Honestly it would probably make you sound like a racist to boot but a lot of the issues and crazy poo poo are not isolated incidents. My partner works extensively with adult aboriginal learners who never got to learn how to read or write properly and they try so hard, one who struggled really badly with alcoholism was so nice and wanted to better his life but he was found dead recently after passing out and falling in a river. The odds are definitely stacked against them. They get failed by their own people, then they get pushed out of the community and get failed again by the government. The smart ones that grew up in a good family environment shoot straight to the top. I've had amazingly bright students who have great family support, and they just rocketed through high school, through university, and started their jobs with thousands of dollars in their pockets and no debt (band paid for schooling, the student took advantage of government programs and grants, and they had part time jobs in University). One girl put a down payment on a house the week after she got out of university because companies were lining up to pay her a signing bonus to have a "top of the class" student who was also a first nations person who also spoke the language (healthcare, she was given a $50,000 signing bonus to work at a northern reserve clinic for a minimum of two years, plus her regular pay as an RPN). On the other side of the coin there was a girl who was accepted to Western, despite her not actually meeting the grade requirements (also her high school grades were significantly padded) and after her very first assignment (essay handed back in class) she stood up and screamed that the professor was racist and sexist. The white male professor then told her that he had not even read her paper, and that it was his TA (East Indian girl). The girl instantly dropped out of school, and the next year she told this story to my grade 11 careers class because she was being paid by the band to talk about racism off reserve.  "Racist white teachers get their "fake Indians" to fail us so they can't get called out as being racist!" Smart kids, with good family support, and are clever enough to figure out the system can sidestep a lot of the racism and roadblocks and take advantage of a lot of the support they get from the government. Students who don't have that background or those skills are 110% doomed.
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Blistex posted:ATEP I thought all teachers on Ontario reserves needed to be certified teachers.
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the trump tutelage posted:Is ATEP the equivalent of a B.Ed with OCT certification? Nope. ATEP qualifies you to teach Kindergarten to Grade 6 on a first nation's reserve. But that didn't stop my old high school from having ATEP teachers teaching grades 9-12. Also there were teachers in the elementary school with absolutely nothing past high school. Reserves exist in a grey area of federal/provincial regulations.
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Do it ironically posted:thats why we're forcing university students to pay for and take an indigenous history class regardless of their major, a great step towards fixing the problem Calling classes like that "history" is being very generous. The world is a turtle, the natives all lived in peace and harmony until the white man came, residential schools and Christianity are the worst crimes imaginable, Canadians owe it to them to fix all their problems.  e: all the natives I've met in the military have been pretty chill, so I don't know why the activist crowd is so insufferable or the Reserves are all hosed up.
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Frosted Flake posted:Calling classes like that "history" is being very generous. IIRC the soldier on the right ended up doing porn
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I once had another teacher explain to me that when she first started teaching she had a lot of problems with the First Nations students, but then she learned to adapt as a teacher to their culture. For example, the First Nations people have no concept of time, that's why they're always late for everything  , so she just started showing up for classes with mostly First Nations students ~10 minutes later than her other classes. Also, because they don't know how to be Good Students, First Nations students cannot be expected to follow the same classroom behavioral standards/ academic standards as other (White) students, so she teaches everything to them a few notches below their grade level and marks them easier.She told me this and my face went numb. I don't think she even realized she was treating them as "dumb natives" (while combining that tired old Chris Rock joke about Black people? ) in order to make her job easier.The same teacher tried telling a roomful of people that she had all three of her sons circumcised so that they wouldn't get HIV, and the only person who would debate it with her tried telling her that she herself was teaching her two sons about the importance of using condoms... this lady wouldn't hear it.
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