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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Cacator posted:

IIRC the soldier on the right ended up doing porn

After being busted down a rank for a DUI and coke possession.

Living the Vandoo dream.



A group of Canadian Rangers was on base for training and to re-qualify on the rifle range. It was pretty eye opening, especially in the context of the military.


- They had no uniform standard to speak of, despite only needing to wear a red hoodie.
- They smoked wherever they drat well pleased and left butts all over the place (which we had to police).
- They never marched or called formation but instead kind of wandered haphazardly around.
- They didn't seem to have any timings to meet.
- In the morning some Rangers were fall-down drunk during breakfast.
- The quality of food at the mess was dropped to accommodate them. During their stay the menu consisted mostly of hot dogs, chickenfingers and hamburgers.

Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 25, 2015

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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed
ya but let's not forget it can be difficult to figure out how to live in a good way when you grow up in a community where there's been a boil water advisory for 20 years (Neskantaga), the highest rate of suicide per capita on the entire planet (Pikangikum) or crippling dependance on opiods/gas huffing (too many to name unfortunately) and the only message being thrown at you consistently is "its not your fault" and "the medicine wheel".
fastest growing population in Canada with 50% under 30 and 50% of that under 15 so we need to find better ways to invest in what is essentially the demo that's going to be deciding a lot of Canadas future

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

Professor Shark posted:

I once had another teacher explain to me that when she first started teaching she had a lot of problems with the First Nations students, but then she learned to adapt as a teacher to their culture.

For example, the First Nations people have no concept of time, that's why they're always late for everything :psyduck:, so she just started showing up for classes with mostly First Nations students ~10 minutes later than her other classes. Also, because they don't know how to be Good Students, First Nations students cannot be expected to follow the same classroom behavioral standards/ academic standards as other (White) students, so she teaches everything to them a few notches below their grade level and marks them easier.

She told me this and my face went numb. I don't think she even realized she was treating them as "dumb natives" (while combining that tired old Chris Rock joke about Black people? :psyduck:) in order to make her job easier.

The same teacher tried telling a roomful of people that she had all three of her sons circumcised so that they wouldn't get HIV, and the only person who would debate it with her tried telling her that she herself was teaching her two sons about the importance of using condoms... this lady wouldn't hear it. :psyduck: :psyduck:

No. she is wrong and her students were wrong. "Indian Time" was never traditionally "whenever the gently caress I feel like it" it was based on when it was appropriate. say you had to go help your neighbor, but first you had to make your kids breakfast, check your trap lines etc, you wouldn't rush those things because it winds up being less productive, and this was a time when productivity was crucial for survival. So it meant you'd get that stuff done first and then go help your neighbor after-when it was the right time. Some people think there's no concept of time but that's simply not true. Time is an abstract construct anyway and traditionally it was just valued differently.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Haha I just assumed she made that up because her students were always late so she just adjusted her own standards by 5-10 minutes, I didn't know it was a misinterpreted thing

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

There's a big push to get natives off-rez and into the military, and I think it's pretty okay actually.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/jobs-caf-aboriginal/bold-eagle-index.page

quote:

Meals and accommodation;
Military clothing and equipment;
Transportation to and from Wainwright;
Just over $3700 in salary; and
Potential to be awarded secondary school work/career experience credits (arranged with your guidance counsellor).

As much as I dislike the Rangers, every indigenous person I worked with in the CAF-proper has been good at their jobs and for all the issues in the CAF, they seem to integrate pretty well.

I had a lot more issues with the French guys, and small-town maritimers who had never seen a Black or Asian person before.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

A group of Canadian Rangers was on base for training and to re-qualify on the rifle range. It was pretty eye opening, especially in the context of the military.


- They had no uniform standard to speak of, despite only needing to wear a red hoodie.
- They smoked wherever they drat well pleased and left butts all over the place (which we had to police).
- They never marched or called formation but instead kind of wandered haphazardly around.
- They didn't seem to have any timings to meet.
- In the morning some Rangers were fall-down drunk during breakfast.
- The quality of food at the mess was dropped to accommodate them. During their stay the menu consisted mostly of hot dogs, chickenfingers and hamburgers.



I've heard that those Rangers are magicians with their wooden outdated firearms and could make most trained CAF soldiers look like fools in terms of accuracy... too bad they only seem to use them on themselves and their family :(

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Professor Shark posted:

I've heard that those Rangers are magicians with their wooden outdated firearms and could make most trained CAF soldiers look like fools in terms of accuracy... too bad they only seem to use them on themselves and their family :(

I don't see why you can't be a good shot but also have some semblance of discipline and professionalism.

You're probably right though, I'm sure they have good fieldcraft if they've lived in the bush their whole lives.

Ceyton
Oct 9, 2004

YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!
YOU'RE DEAD ARMITAGE!

itt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGoLw6DECNI

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Toriori posted:

ya but let's not forget it can be difficult to figure out how to live in a good way when you grow up in a community where there's been a boil water advisory for 20 years (Neskantaga), the highest rate of suicide per capita on the entire planet (Pikangikum) or crippling dependance on opiods/gas huffing (too many to name unfortunately) and the only message being thrown at you consistently is "its not your fault" and "the medicine wheel".
fastest growing population in Canada with 50% under 30 and 50% of that under 15 so we need to find better ways to invest in what is essentially the demo that's going to be deciding a lot of Canadas future

Old coworker of mine lived in Pikangikum and said that 90% of the problem is the incredible corruption in the Band and Band Services. They regularly run the OPP out of town over non-incidents, and had their school burn down because the fire department never bothered to fill the water truck and decided a building that is visibly smoking isn't worth investigating/sticking around to watch over. Actual health services people who are sent/invited there to help with the suicide epidemic are regularly run out of town, and like you said, "not your fault/medicine wheel/7 grandfathers" fixes everything in their minds. He had to personally pick up a visiting politician with a big cheque and drive him around the community, find a place for him to stay, and even accept the cheque on behalf of the community because everyone in the band council, including the chief were too busy (drinking a shipment of smuggled booze).

What chance does a kid have in that kind of mess?

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